On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 12:33 AM, ant elder wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 1:53 AM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
> I think this is getting too hung up on vetting releases is the be all and
> end all of PMC membership when really there are other just as if not more
> important things
its own. If there is a question, I interpret Roy's
message in conjunction with statements from other Board members to indicate
that if we ask, the Board will take the necessary steps to support us.
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gt; some things all most impossible,
It's not the satellite members of the IPMC that make consensus hard to
achieve -- it's the core. The IPMC would be just as prone to dysfunction if
it had 30 members instead of 180.
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[1]
http://www.crunchyroll.com/hunter-x-hunter/episode-1
On Mon, Nov 25, 2013 at 8:35 AM, Andrei Savu wrote:
> I think we are done now.
Thank you for cleaning up the camp site.
Best wishes to Provisionr's contributors as you move on to other adventures.
Marvin Humphrey
hing tangible and documented.
+1 to your formulation, Bertrand -- I think it significantly improves the
proposal. I especially like that PPMC votes are *always* binding subject to
the requirement that that they be earned through a little extra work.
asks -- for the same reasons that it
is beneficial for a project to have many individuals serve as Release Manager.
Hopefully we can get a volunteer to perform the first sequence of steps to
prep the wiki template soon, since podling report reminders are scheduled to
be sent out tomorr
with the resolution text (which we frequently mess up).
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ntly (Tashi, Provisionr), while another decided to redouble its efforts
(VXQuery). If nothing else, weighing retirement against a project reboot may
flush some more lurkers out of hiding or persuade one of the current
contributors to take the lead.
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[1] Here's a message I s
by signing up as Mentor for the NPanday
podling.
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d when
rendered using either fixed-width or variable-width fonts.
Thoughts?
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On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:45 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 22, 2013 at 4:20 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>> I am not sure that this is a step in the correct direction.
>
> Dave, I'm sure you realize that your opposition is deeply disapointing to a
> number of
December 2013 Incubator report timeline:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/December2013
Wed December 04 -- Podling reports due by end of day
Sun December 08 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
Sun December 08 -- Summary due by end of day
Tue December 10 -- Mentor signoff due
o mean feat, and that's
all taken care of already.
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On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 4:42 AM, John D. Ament wrote:
> Please grant me edit access to the incubator wiki, so I can fill out
> shepherd reports.
>
> My username is johndament
Done.
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On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 3:55 PM, David Crossley wrote:
> Marvin Humphrey wrote:
>> [ ] Incubation disclaimer is present and correct.
>
> There is also the naming of the release, which must have "incubating"
> in its name. As Clutch tries to report, many projects ne
convenience binaries have their own set of common problems
(including incorrect N&L) which I anticipate we will want to address through
documentation suggesting a specific block of additional checklist items.
Marvin Humphrey
Greetings,
The Incubator PMC has voted to offer membership to Sergio Fernández, of the
recently established TLP Apache Marmotta, and he has accepted.
We're glad that you'll be sticking around, Sergio!
Marvin Humphrey, on behalf of the Inc
Greetings,
Apache Member Sebastian Schelter, who also serves on the Mahout and Giraph
PMCs, has elected to join the Incubator PMC.
Thanks for signing up, Sebastian!
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alled podlings. Today, we have more room to consider podlings in difficult
circumstances on a case-by-case basis.
Marvin Humphrey
[1] http://markmail.org/message/3aiwjgocoqeojeop
[2] One of these days I'm going to call a VOTE on changing that language.
--
t doesn't work with platform-specific binaries; this language
was the best general compromise I could come up with.
* Change the "license headers" item to specify "source files", in order to
resolve an incidental ambiguity with regards to whether "files"
challenging
attempting to meet all the absolute requirements being presented by various
discussion participants.
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+1
So be it, as long as the checklist itself stays concise.
I've now deleted the first draft, as I assume that no one will object to
moving forward with the second draft accommodating multiple archives.
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me a Mentor, so NPanday is not completely without IPMC oversight.
Second, finalizing the shepherd review should probably wait until after the
Wednesday filing deadline so that you can take the report they file into
account. (Assuming they file one -- if not, that's
g a template intended for
heavy reuse. Even if we succeed in rationalizing the process, getting a
release through the Incubator will still be plenty arduous.
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incubator/public/trunk/votes/$PODLING/$RC
PS: The commits list is cvs@incubator, which I don't think many people know
about based on how often David Crossley has to remind people to publish
their own changes to the Incubator website.
M
ld be there to back them up or
provide subtle correction as necessary.
Be sure to let private@incubator know if anybody shows up to help and deserves
to be nominated for the IPMC. :)
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orsten Schöning
> Rhys Ulerich (ICLA signed)
> Joseph Southwell (ICLA signed)
> Alexandru Zbârcea (ICLA signed)
> Christian Grobmeier
> Scott Deboy
Good luck, everyone!
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s by lazy consensus
rather than majority-rule policy vote. Under this scheme, the checklist only
needs to be workable, not perfect, in order to proceed to PROPOSAL and VOTE.
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[1] Does a community which is not "healthy" block the release? How do
ther word: "... try their hand at guiding
podlings" or something like that. Sorry about the confusion.
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eport, and the podling should expect to file a new report in January.
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On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 4, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Christian Grobmeier
> wrote:
>> i just added the ripple report for december (its the same as november).
>>
>> We were to late in november. however the report template generator
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 8:38 AM, sebb wrote:
> On 5 December 2013 10:37, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 3, 2013 at 11:39 PM, Marvin Humphrey
>> wrote:
>>> ... Second, I'm amused that the "commits list" item was quietly dropped,
>>
On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 7:04 PM, Justin Mclean wrote:
> Can I have edit access for the incubator wiki to add my shepherds report to
> the December report. My user name is "Justin Mclean".
Done.
Marvin Humphrey
competent. It complicates the release
process by stratifying the IPMC. And it doesn't jibe with my sense of
meritocracy.
I'd rather that we go with Bertrand's proposal unmodified, which takes a
different tack: striving to improve the quality of each vote cast.
What do others think
eads.
Suresh, can you take on shepherding for Twill this month?
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e bits have already been uploaded, I suggest continuing the vote on
general@incubator.
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. Three +1 Incubator PMC votes are
required.
Our release management guide, as is often the case, duplicates information
better described elsewhere, adding inaccuracies and misleading rephrasings.
http://incubator.apache.org/guides/releasemanagement
es. Let's cross our fingers.
For the future, the more rigorous release process being discussed in other
threads, which incorporates checklists and aggressively enlists the PPMC,
would have prevented this error. (It would also have prevented the recent
Sirona error[2].)
Marvin Hum
om the Incubation Policy page:
http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Incubation_Policy.html#Releases
Such approval SHALL be given only after the Incubator PMC has followed the
process detailed in these guidelines, and SHALL NOT occur unti
ally necessary then make an
> audit of the last release a requirement of graduation.
I am passionately committed to making it easier for podlings to release, by
granting limited self-governance to those who earn it.
The proposal under consideration is a win for *both* streamlining t
x27;t have time to read/participate the whole
> thread as I prefer to spend my time on writing softwares.
Not everybody has to follow every twist and turn of development. When we have
something sufficiently mature, I'll start a PROPOSAL thread. Please watch for
that.
In the meantime, please co
you and Jean-Baptiste Onofré.
The project just entered incubation two months ago.
Where is everybody?
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Allura
(No shepherd review filed.)
Aurora
(No shepherd review filed.)
BatchEE
Marvin Humphrey (marvin):
Podling did not report. Please report next month.
Also, please edit podlings.xml metadata and address all
has done so yet.
I'm comfortable with relying on "prosecutorial discretion" for inconsequential
small stuff, but not something major like source code provenance.
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ones experience of the Incubator.
We shouldn't be sticklers for inconsequential minutiae, but since the
Incubator is a TLP like any other and its releases are subject to
Foundation-wide policy, I don't believe we have much freedom to accept a lower
bar. Your request is impossible.
ncubator and Drill's dev list just in case -- good thinking.
Thanks for coming through, Matt!
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itted a fix.
- November,December,January
+ November,December,January
We'll look forward to a report from Usergrid next month.
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ly graduating projects whose
licensing documentation approaches the unchanging minimalist ideal.
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also an ASF Member (though I'm not totally
clear about that request).
https://paste.apache.org/4A1I
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g the usage examples easier to write.
* Move most instructions from the manifest template to the guide.
* Add back the sample usage from your original wiki proposal, now inlined
into the `Release Procedure` section of the guide.
Thoughts?
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rom PPMC members are required" for the
> podling vote.
+1, here's the updated patch...
https://paste.apache.org/2J3w
and here's the interdiff...
https://paste.apache.org/kDAL
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label and disclaimer, filing bugs rather than blocking seems reasonable.
I'm curious what others think. There's room for us to disagree, since release
votes do not require consensus...
Marvin Humphrey
[1] http://s.apache.org/r1F
Apache Member Billie Rinaldi, the PMC Chair for Accumulo and a member of the
Ambari PMC, has elected to join the Incubator PMC.
May you have as much success as an IPMC member as you had as a PPMC member of
the Accumulo podling!
Marvin Humphrey, on behalf of the Incubator PMC
arrive at a consensus compromise, even for authorizing an
experiment, that's unfortunate -- but as with Ant, I'm grateful for our
give-and-take and I believe that the proposal is much improved for it.
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o allow distribution through Maven was enacted after a
contentious majority-rule vote passed 15 to 12.
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0 PST on Friday,
December 20, 2013. Votes cast by members of the Incubator PMC are binding.
Here is my own +1.
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Phoenix's development,
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Please enjoy your stay here,
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May your stopover here be short and sweet,
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./sbt/sbt-launch-0.11.3-2.jar
./streaming/lib/org/apache/kafka/kafka/0.7.2-spark/kafka-0.7.2-spark.jar
marvin@knut:~/spark/spark-0.8.1-incubating $
One option for addressing that issue would be to move all compiled
dependencies to an accompanying &q
inary
dependencies may not be bundled in source releases, the Incubator must not
compound the problem by failing to educate current podlings.
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ts and issue trackers
seems unattractive.
Blocking graduation instead of release candidates would reduce strain on both
podlings and reviewers. Suitable policy bugs could be fixed in between
incubating releases during the normal course of development, rather than
between release candidates -- so fewer r
nitiative to make a constructive proposal. We
should work with you.
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port Manager after you.
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lks who might consume them are well informed.
Again, policy flexibility with respect to version control becomes academic if
you can restructure the build. Nevertheless, I hope that this additional
background is helpful for River's ongoing discussions.
Cheers,
Marvin Humphrey
--
t as an
archive of opinions about best practices. A single document cannot serve well
in both capacities. We need both, and they must be separate.
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ease artifacts and do not block a release, they belong in a different
checklist.
I've started a GraduationChecklist wiki page so that the suggestions do not
get lost.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/GraduationChecklist
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ill always be a role for
downstream commercial or non-commercial redistributions of Apache
products. Why? Because the ASF is incapable of taking on the enormous
liability associated with released binaries that are not produced in
a controlled environment with a co
On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Marvin Humphrey
wrote:
> [ ] +1 Yes, apply the patch enabling the experiment.
> [ ] -1 No, do not apply the patch enabling the experiment.
The VOTE passes with the following binding votes:
+1 Dave Brondsema
+1 Chip Childers
+1 David Crossley
On Fri, Dec 20, 2013 at 3:23 PM, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
> On Fri, Dec 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>
>> [ ] +1 Yes, apply the patch enabling the experiment.
>> [ ] -1 No, do not apply the patch enabling the experiment.
>
> The VOTE passes with
again, and it's not like most developers relish
this stuff. Clear policy documentation would be a valuable contribution to
all of the Foundation's projects.
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x27;s up to us more recent arrivals, not yet afflicted by "the curse of
knowledge", to identify the weaknesses and take the lead on getting them
addressed. It's gratifying that we arrived at a common understanding so
quickly in this th
On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 4:24 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 21, 2013 at 12:23 AM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>> ...We've done all that with comparatively few emails: at 466 messages...
>
> I'm having a hard time deciding if doing this in 466 messages is g
the Board does. Ostensibly the Board expects the IPMC to review all
podling reports before we file the aggregate report; if we ever
institute such a process, we'll almost certainly start rejecting late
reports then.
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to respond if necessary.
Clearly the Mentors for Phoenix are engaged, and I plan to file the Incubator
report tomorrow regardless.
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For
value.
Missing a report and making it up the next month is not a big deal. That's
true now for the Incubator, and it's also true for TLPs reporting to the
Board. It's more convenient for us if a project misses a month rather than
trying to squeeze in late in the cycle.
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cess directly.
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1 votes, the full IPMC has not yet been given
an opportunity to review the release candidate.
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On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:44 AM, Steven Noels wrote:
> same here - my user name for the Incubator Wiki is StevenNoels
Done -- I've added your signoff to the Phoenix report and whitelisted
your wiki username for next time.
Marvin
On Thu, Jan 9, 2014 at 4:27 PM, lars hofhansl wrote:
> my username is LarsHofhansl
It looks like sebb has whitelisted both you and Andrew. Thanks, sebb!
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http://s.apache.org/yCe
And thanks to Jake for being so many places and helping out so much around the
Incubator!
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the savannah...
Based on Google searches for `hoya software` and `hyena software`, it would
seem that Hoya is more distinctive.
I don't think either of them specifically conveys what the software
does. Neither
is hard to spell or pro
LICENSE in their next
release.
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; identified.
Looks good to me! I withdraw my -1 vote.
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encouraged to submit presentation
proposals and encouraged to attend!
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For
n clutch2report.py.
The Incubator used to be lousy about following up when podlings failed to
report. Between shepherding and aggressive maintenance of the "monthly" tag,
hopefully we're better now.
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count on people like
me to let them off the hook. (See <http://s.apache.org/Kca>.) When
the vote is tallied, there is no need to include me in the list,
because I have withdrawn the vote I cast earlier. This RC will already
pass with enough +1 votes from MetaModel's Mentors -- which is
nager, the healthier we'll be!
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eps for the upcoming month.
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$ python3 report_runbook.py --apache-id=hsaputra --month=2
##
# On the last Wednesday of the month, send an email to
# general@incubator announcing the report timeline, using the
# follow
Hi everyone,
> ApacheCon Denver will take place April 7-9, 2014. The call-for-proposals
> went out on Tuesday:
>
> http://events.linuxfoundation.org/events/apachecon-north-america/program/cfp
The CFP closes on February 1 -- one week from tomorrow -- so get those
proposals in!
Mar
ng a project to Apache. We'll cover the major stages of
incubation, the institutions and roles that incubating projects must
interact with, and how to get the most out for what you put in.
Audience: Anyone with an interest in the Incubator.
Level: beginner
Thoughts, feed
February 2014 Incubator report timeline:
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/February2014
Wed February 05 -- Podling reports due by end of day
Sun February 09 -- Shepherd reviews due by end of day
Sun February 09 -- Summary due by end of day
Tue February 11 -- Mentor signoff due
Chair. I look
forward to supporting Roman and to continued collaboration with you all, both
here in the Incubator and elsewhere.
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e properly
documented. It is not enough to "assume" that Infra is taking care of
archival -- ensuring that the archival actually happens is the PMC's direct
responsibility.
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[1] https://issues.apache.org/j
ment? Or if anyone
is opposed, how about some votes?
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ve role in realizing the promise of integrating the
"Community over Code" ASF with "Social Coding" GitHub.
+1 (binding) to graduate.
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On Wed, Feb 5, 2014 at 3:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz
wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 4, 2014 at 3:02 AM, Marvin Humphrey
> wrote:
>> ...Congratulations to Roman Shaposhnik! The Incubator PMC has voted to
>> recommend Roman as our next Chair in a resolution to the Board next
>&g
Only two projects received shepherd reviews this month.
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Droids
John Ament (johndament):
Droids is a long standing podling, with a robust code base but without
much need for frequent releases. I think graduating into an existing
TLP (not their own
on, but I
thought it was worth mentioning because your original proposal would save time
and energy and so would this.
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to a single podling in future months.
Done.
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