Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-08 Thread Christofer Dutz
Sign me up ( Am 08.02.19, 11:55 schrieb "Lars Francke" : One more thing: We've got three mentors. If anyone else would like to volunteer we won't say no :) I've used the E-Mail addresses from your mails in the proposal. Feel free to update to an @apache.org address if you

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-08 Thread Lars Francke
One more thing: We've got three mentors. If anyone else would like to volunteer we won't say no :) I've used the E-Mail addresses from your mails in the proposal. Feel free to update to an @apache.org address if you want to. On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 11:05 AM Lars Francke wrote: > Thanks to the

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-08 Thread Lars Francke
Thanks to the three of you. Those arguments make sense to me and we indeed have a few "newcomers" with us (that includes me in a non-committer role) so I've changed my opinion and think the Incubator way would be the best. I'll edit the Wiki proposal (and add Christofer whom I've forgotten,

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-08 Thread Myrle Krantz
My initial thought was: this should go straight to TLP: Training should be done by people who know what they're training about: whether it be the Apache Way or a specific project. All the committers will likely be people who've at least reached committer status in a project, and most of them will

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-08 Thread Sönke Liebau
Hi, after spending some time thinking about this I also tend towards the Incubator route as I am sure this will help build and grow an active community and processes. Best regards, Sönke On Fri, Feb 8, 2019 at 6:38 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > > Hi, > > > discussion seems to have died down.

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-07 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > discussion seems to have died down. Before moving on I'd really like to > hear the opinions of the interested contributors on which direction to go. > Otherwise we might have to put it to a vote? Perhaps I biased, but I think going via the incubator is alway helpful. :-) The big question

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-07 Thread Lars Francke
Hello everyone, discussion seems to have died down. Before moving on I'd really like to hear the opinions of the interested contributors on which direction to go. Otherwise we might have to put it to a vote? Cheers, Lars On Mon, Feb 4, 2019 at 11:52 AM Lars Francke wrote: > Dmitry, > > I

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-04 Thread Lars Francke
Dmitry, I agree that there are lots of technical things to discuss and I won't stop anyone doing that but I'd like to keep this thread about the proposal and the project itself knowing that technical stuff is what most of us do and like to do and it's also more interesting but let's get the

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-04 Thread Lars Francke
Oh and one more thing that I at least want to mention is the name. I know that podlings can do a name search after the incubation has started. We thought about using "Training" as the proper name though. It's very descriptive and easy to understand/recognize in multiple languages.

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-04 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Hi Lars, About the project: I've got only one thing to say here: Apache Incubator is intended to be a place where a community is build up and everybody (mostly newcomers) learn guides and policies. So straight-to-TLP is also a possible option, but some incubation process isn't bad at all. But

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-04 Thread Hans-Peter Zorn
Hi all, I have been creating training material for various big data apache projects (mostly Apache Spark) for the last five years and we would like to contribute those. I for myself have not been directly involved with the ASF directly, however I have been contributing to some open source

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-04 Thread Sönke Liebau
Hi Chris, thanks for chiming in and your offer! The setup you describe sounds pretty much exactly what we envisioned when we started looking at infrastructure around trainings - back then I think it just sort of died down for a mixture of reasons like too much effort for just the few trainings

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-04 Thread Christofer Dutz
Hi all, finally having some time to read through the proposal, I too would be interested in participating. I do have quite a bit of experience in creating trainings as this is part of my job at codecentric. For the ASF I have for example prepared a Maven training, which I held in Vancouver a

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-02-04 Thread Lars Francke
Dmitry, Kenneth, sorry for the slow replies. I was offline on vacation for a few days. I'll add both of you to the Wiki (if you haven't already done so). I love that we have gathered quite a few interested people to participate already but I'd love to hear more (or any really) opinions on the

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Kenneth Knowles
Hi Lars, I would like to be a part of this too, according to your & the others' best judgment. I'm PMC at Beam & incubator. I'm not a professional teacher or trainer, but I have been a part of preparing and delivering a number of trainings and talks (also the usual teaching, tutoring, talking in

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-30 Thread Dmitriy Pavlov
Hi Lars, I'd like to be a part of this. I'm PMC at Apache Ignite. Sometimes I need to give individual feedback to developers related to both Apache policies and spirit of developing software in a community way. Why not invest effort into training and education materials instead? I gave several

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Lars Francke
Craig, that's great news. Thank you for volunteering. I've added you to the Wiki. Cheers, Lars On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 11:01 PM Craig Russell wrote: > Hi Lars, > > I'll volunteer to mentor the project if it ends up incubating. And I'd > like to join the discussion as a member of the (P)PMC.

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-29 Thread Craig Russell
Hi Lars, I'll volunteer to mentor the project if it ends up incubating. And I'd like to join the discussion as a member of the (P)PMC. The idea of an open source project to help rationalize training materials is very appealing. I'm also very interested in the ecosystem of not-for-profit

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-28 Thread Lars Francke
I've been going back and forth on the topic of TLP vs. Incubator podling. I don't really have a strong opinion but I'm leaning slightly in favor of "straight to TLP" and the past discussion (linked in previous mail) did also have more voices in favor of TLP. But of course there are arguments to

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-28 Thread Lars Francke
Sharan, great! I've added you to the Wiki. Cheers, Lars On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 10:51 PM Sharan Foga wrote: > Hi Lars > > I'd like to be a part of this, not only from a ComDev perspective, as this > project and its resources would be a great asset for the community > development effort

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-27 Thread Sharan Foga
Hi Lars I'd like to be a part of this, not only from a ComDev perspective, as this project and its resources would be a great asset for the community development effort (internally and externally), but also because I have an real interest in developing documentation and training material.

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-26 Thread Sönke Liebau
Hi Mike, there is not really a specific target group for these trainings. It is our feeling, that there are a large number of parties out there that could benefit from properly maintained training materials for open source software. We noticed a few issues around training when talking to other

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-26 Thread Michael Wall
Lars, Interesting proposal. Can you talk more about who this training is for? I can't tell if it is for internal use, like helping new mentors and PMC Chairs, or external use like teaching companies how the ASF does business or how to use a specific Apache project. Maybe it is all of that.

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-26 Thread Lars Francke
> > thank you! I'm not at home right now and can't edit the Wiki now but I'll > do so later (or you'll do it yourself)? > I have added you to the Wiki now. > Your mail actually sparked a thought. I'm not sure about the "limits" to > an initial contributor/committer list and how to go about

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-26 Thread Lars Francke
Furkan, thank you! I'm not at home right now and can't edit the Wiki now but I'll do so later (or you'll do it yourself)? Your mail actually sparked a thought. I'm not sure about the "limits" to an initial contributor/committer list and how to go about selecting those. I'm in no position to

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-26 Thread Furkan KAMACI
Hi All, I'm a member of The Apache Software Foundation, PMC member of Apache Incubator, Committer and PMC member of Apache Gora, Committer and PMC member of Apache Nutch, Committer and PMC member of Apache Clerezza, Committer of Apache ManifoldCF, Committer of Apache Stanbol and mail list

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-26 Thread Lars Francke
Justin, that's great to hear. And yes please. I'll add you to the Wiki. Cheers, Lars On Sat, Jan 26, 2019 at 12:35 AM Justin Mclean wrote: > Hi, > > I’ll comment on the other parts of the proposal once I’ve thought about it > a bit, but I’m also have a decent amount of training and course

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-25 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
+1 for Justin On Fri, Jan 25, 2019, 18:35 Justin Mclean Hi, > > I’ll comment on the other parts of the proposal once I’ve thought about it > a bit, but I’m also have a decent amount of training and course creation > experience and would like to be on the (P)PMC / initial committer list if >

Re: [DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-25 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, I’ll comment on the other parts of the proposal once I’ve thought about it a bit, but I’m also have a decent amount of training and course creation experience and would like to be on the (P)PMC / initial committer list if you'll have me. Assuming you go down the IPMC I’d also happy to be

[DISCUSS] Training (incubating) Proposal

2019-01-25 Thread Lars Francke
Hello everyone, this is the result of the discussion I started in December 2018[1]. I would like to start this thread to get feedback on a proposal we've been working on for a project focused on developing training material for Apache & 3rd party projects. The full proposal can be found here <