Re: Altering PMC for graduation
This is not uncommon, at least for filtering the initial PPMC members at the point of graduation. Obviously it should be the PPMC who decides this in a regular consensus. What would be unusual (and perhaps controversial) is using the graduation for "removing" PPMC members who had been voted in during incubation, however it is not uncommon for PMC members to step down on their own initiative. On Fri, 23 Mar 2018, 16:06 Dave Neuman, <neu...@apache.org> wrote: > Hey IPMC, > I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. > We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our project > that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our > graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the opportunity to > have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? If yes, > what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make the > roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of these > people individually and made sure they were on-board with just being > committers and not PMC members. > > We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is the last > thing standing in our way! > > > Thanks in advance for the help! > > Dave >
Re: Altering PMC for graduation
Hi - This would be a legitimate thread on private@, or in a generic email on dev@ asking for and suggesting responses on private@. The principle is allowing personnel/personal decisions to remain private at the individual’s choice. Regards, Dave Sent from my iPhone > On Mar 23, 2018, at 8:02 PM, David Neuman <david.neuma...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Will do, thanks. > >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 19:04 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: >> >> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:02 PM David Neuman <david.neuma...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Great, thanks a lot for the info John. Since I have spoken to each of >> the >>> PMC members in question individually, I think we are safe to make our >>> changes and have them continue on as committers. >>> >> >> Remember, if it didn't happen on list it didn't happen. Please make sure >> you check with these individuals on list. >> >> >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 16:27 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> >> wrote: >>> >>>> Its quite common that people stop working on open source projects. >>>> However, part of the Apache way is merit never expires. While you may >>> not >>>> want to include them in your PMC, keeping them available as a committer >>>> isn't a bad thing. >>>> >>>> Most podlings I've seen will send an email "here's the proposed PMC, >>> speak >>>> up if you need a change." If any of those people want to be on the >> PMC, >>>> still honor their request. However if they are not interested then its >>>> safe to assume they would have responded. >>>> >>>> I do recommend if you are going to make changes, that the changes are >>>> finalized in the roster before submitting the resolution to the board. >>>> This may involve sending the IPMC notices for new PPMC members ahead of >>>> time, just to keep it clean. Having your roster correct means everyone >>>> gets the right permissions without the chair having to do anything. >>>> >>>> John >>>> >>>> On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:14 PM Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> For Apache OpenWhisk we are in same situation so it would be good to >>>>> understand the guideline on how to handle such situation. >>>>> >>>>> - Carlos Santana >>>>> @csantanapr >>>>> >>>>>> On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hey IPMC, >>>>>> I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. >>>>>> We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our >>>> project >>>>>> that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our >>>>>> graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the >>>> opportunity >>>>> to >>>>>> have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? >>> If >>>>> yes, >>>>>> what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make >> the >>>>>> roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of >> these >>>>>> people individually and made sure they were on-board with just >> being >>>>>> committers and not PMC members. >>>>>> >>>>>> We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is >> the >>>>> last >>>>>> thing standing in our way! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks in advance for the help! >>>>>> >>>>>> Dave >>>>> >>>>> - >>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: Altering PMC for graduation
Will do, thanks. On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 19:04 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:02 PM David Neuman <david.neuma...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Great, thanks a lot for the info John. Since I have spoken to each of > the > > PMC members in question individually, I think we are safe to make our > > changes and have them continue on as committers. > > > > Remember, if it didn't happen on list it didn't happen. Please make sure > you check with these individuals on list. > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 16:27 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > Its quite common that people stop working on open source projects. > > > However, part of the Apache way is merit never expires. While you may > > not > > > want to include them in your PMC, keeping them available as a committer > > > isn't a bad thing. > > > > > > Most podlings I've seen will send an email "here's the proposed PMC, > > speak > > > up if you need a change." If any of those people want to be on the > PMC, > > > still honor their request. However if they are not interested then its > > > safe to assume they would have responded. > > > > > > I do recommend if you are going to make changes, that the changes are > > > finalized in the roster before submitting the resolution to the board. > > > This may involve sending the IPMC notices for new PPMC members ahead of > > > time, just to keep it clean. Having your roster correct means everyone > > > gets the right permissions without the chair having to do anything. > > > > > > John > > > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:14 PM Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > For Apache OpenWhisk we are in same situation so it would be good to > > > > understand the guideline on how to handle such situation. > > > > > > > > - Carlos Santana > > > > @csantanapr > > > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Hey IPMC, > > > > > I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. > > > > > We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our > > > project > > > > > that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our > > > > > graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the > > > opportunity > > > > to > > > > > have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? > > If > > > > yes, > > > > > what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make > the > > > > > roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of > these > > > > > people individually and made sure they were on-board with just > being > > > > > committers and not PMC members. > > > > > > > > > > We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is > the > > > > last > > > > > thing standing in our way! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the help! > > > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > > > - > > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
Re: Altering PMC for graduation
On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 9:02 PM David Neuman <david.neuma...@gmail.com> wrote: > Great, thanks a lot for the info John. Since I have spoken to each of the > PMC members in question individually, I think we are safe to make our > changes and have them continue on as committers. > Remember, if it didn't happen on list it didn't happen. Please make sure you check with these individuals on list. > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 16:27 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > > > Its quite common that people stop working on open source projects. > > However, part of the Apache way is merit never expires. While you may > not > > want to include them in your PMC, keeping them available as a committer > > isn't a bad thing. > > > > Most podlings I've seen will send an email "here's the proposed PMC, > speak > > up if you need a change." If any of those people want to be on the PMC, > > still honor their request. However if they are not interested then its > > safe to assume they would have responded. > > > > I do recommend if you are going to make changes, that the changes are > > finalized in the roster before submitting the resolution to the board. > > This may involve sending the IPMC notices for new PPMC members ahead of > > time, just to keep it clean. Having your roster correct means everyone > > gets the right permissions without the chair having to do anything. > > > > John > > > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:14 PM Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > > > For Apache OpenWhisk we are in same situation so it would be good to > > > understand the guideline on how to handle such situation. > > > > > > - Carlos Santana > > > @csantanapr > > > > > > > On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hey IPMC, > > > > I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. > > > > We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our > > project > > > > that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our > > > > graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the > > opportunity > > > to > > > > have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? > If > > > yes, > > > > what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make the > > > > roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of these > > > > people individually and made sure they were on-board with just being > > > > committers and not PMC members. > > > > > > > > We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is the > > > last > > > > thing standing in our way! > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the help! > > > > > > > > Dave > > > > > > - > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > > > > > >
Re: Altering PMC for graduation
Great, thanks a lot for the info John. Since I have spoken to each of the PMC members in question individually, I think we are safe to make our changes and have them continue on as committers. On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 16:27 John D. Ament <johndam...@apache.org> wrote: > Its quite common that people stop working on open source projects. > However, part of the Apache way is merit never expires. While you may not > want to include them in your PMC, keeping them available as a committer > isn't a bad thing. > > Most podlings I've seen will send an email "here's the proposed PMC, speak > up if you need a change." If any of those people want to be on the PMC, > still honor their request. However if they are not interested then its > safe to assume they would have responded. > > I do recommend if you are going to make changes, that the changes are > finalized in the roster before submitting the resolution to the board. > This may involve sending the IPMC notices for new PPMC members ahead of > time, just to keep it clean. Having your roster correct means everyone > gets the right permissions without the chair having to do anything. > > John > > On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:14 PM Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > For Apache OpenWhisk we are in same situation so it would be good to > > understand the guideline on how to handle such situation. > > > > - Carlos Santana > > @csantanapr > > > > > On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > > > Hey IPMC, > > > I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. > > > We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our > project > > > that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our > > > graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the > opportunity > > to > > > have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? If > > yes, > > > what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make the > > > roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of these > > > people individually and made sure they were on-board with just being > > > committers and not PMC members. > > > > > > We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is the > > last > > > thing standing in our way! > > > > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the help! > > > > > > Dave > > > > - > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > > >
Re: Altering PMC for graduation
Its quite common that people stop working on open source projects. However, part of the Apache way is merit never expires. While you may not want to include them in your PMC, keeping them available as a committer isn't a bad thing. Most podlings I've seen will send an email "here's the proposed PMC, speak up if you need a change." If any of those people want to be on the PMC, still honor their request. However if they are not interested then its safe to assume they would have responded. I do recommend if you are going to make changes, that the changes are finalized in the roster before submitting the resolution to the board. This may involve sending the IPMC notices for new PPMC members ahead of time, just to keep it clean. Having your roster correct means everyone gets the right permissions without the chair having to do anything. John On Fri, Mar 23, 2018 at 6:14 PM Carlos Santana <csantan...@gmail.com> wrote: > For Apache OpenWhisk we are in same situation so it would be good to > understand the guideline on how to handle such situation. > > - Carlos Santana > @csantanapr > > > On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> wrote: > > > > Hey IPMC, > > I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. > > We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our project > > that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our > > graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the opportunity > to > > have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? If > yes, > > what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make the > > roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of these > > people individually and made sure they were on-board with just being > > committers and not PMC members. > > > > We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is the > last > > thing standing in our way! > > > > > > Thanks in advance for the help! > > > > Dave > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > >
Re: Altering PMC for graduation
For Apache OpenWhisk we are in same situation so it would be good to understand the guideline on how to handle such situation. - Carlos Santana @csantanapr > On Mar 23, 2018, at 4:06 PM, Dave Neuman <neu...@apache.org> wrote: > > Hey IPMC, > I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. > We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our project > that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our > graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the opportunity to > have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? If yes, > what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make the > roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of these > people individually and made sure they were on-board with just being > committers and not PMC members. > > We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is the last > thing standing in our way! > > > Thanks in advance for the help! > > Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Altering PMC for graduation
Hey IPMC, I had a question about altering the PMC for graduation. We have a few folks who are no longer active participants in our project that are still a part of our PMC. In the process of generating our graduation resolution we were wondering if we could take the opportunity to have these members just be committers and not PMC members anymore? If yes, what would the process look like, would it be enough to just make the roster alterations in Whimsy? I have already spoken to each of these people individually and made sure they were on-board with just being committers and not PMC members. We are really excited to draft our resolution and I think this is the last thing standing in our way! Thanks in advance for the help! Dave
