I like your view on this.
I hope things are going well?
I now work in Groningen, the Netherlands.
Yeliz.
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Glen Daniels wrote:
> +1 as usual to Benson's extremely reasonable and pleasantly snarky viewpoint.
>
> While I do see the dangers of fragmenting the community
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 4:00 PM, Benson Margulies wrote:
> ...So, it is clear to me that the IPMC and the Foundation do *not* have
> an established consensus the forbids any podling from ever having a
> phone conference...
Absolutely agreed, in the same way that we cannot prevent people from
meet
Instead of continuing this thread, I'd invite any of you to start
watching the isis dev list, and report in if you see evidence of a
failure to respect the core values that underly this argument.
Isis has several mentors. I am only one. The mentors, in general, felt
that the project had a strong e
On 11/24/10 3:18 PM, Bernd Fondermann wrote:
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:02, Benson Margulies wrote:
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann
wrote:
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies wrote:
I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
My first concern in responding
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 15:02, Benson Margulies wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann
> wrote:
>> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies
>> wrote:
>>> I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
>>>
>>> My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Bernd Fondermann
wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies wrote:
>> I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
>>
>> My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I
>> can tell, the Incubator PMC has not formally voted to f
On Mon, Nov 22, 2010 at 16:16, Benson Margulies wrote:
> I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
>
> My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I
> can tell, the Incubator PMC has not formally voted to forbid the use
> of real-time communications in podlings. Absent
list.
So I have the good faith that all the involved people got the idea behind it in
the meantime.
txs and LieGrue,
strub
[1] http://www.mail-archive.com/isis-...@incubator.apache.org/msg00416.html
--- On Mon, 11/22/10, Benson Margulies wrote:
> From: Benson Margulies
> Subject: Re
I am nothing if not chronically disingenuous.
My first concern in responding here is a process concern. As far as I
can tell, the Incubator PMC has not formally voted to forbid the use
of real-time communications in podlings. Absent such a vote, the use
of these technologies is permitted, and it's
On 11/22/2010 9:40 AM, Jim Jagielski wrote:
> Bad habits are hard to break, esp when done early... Comparing the
> behaviors of "TLP's in good standing" to new podlings seems
> disingenuous. I'm sure some seasoned automobile drivers drive
> with 1 hand on the wheel. Is that something you encourage
Bad habits are hard to break, esp when done early... Comparing the
behaviors of "TLP's in good standing" to new podlings seems
disingenuous. I'm sure some seasoned automobile drivers drive
with 1 hand on the wheel. Is that something you encourage or
allow those with learner's permits to do?
On No
+1 as usual to Benson's extremely reasonable and pleasantly snarky viewpoint.
While I do see the dangers of fragmenting the community, I think people often
go too far in downplaying the benefits of real-time communication. Quick
back-and-forths can enable complex scenarios to be thought through i
As a mentor of ISIS, I'd like to ask everyone to give them a little
breathing room on this subject.
Many TLP's in good standing have active IRC channels. These have very
closely related risks to open communities. Many TLPs in good standing
hold in-person meetups from time to time.
This is not to
By definition, ANY such meeting will exclude some people; it's just the
nature of the beast. Anyone not in that timezone either will not be
able to attend or will need to go out of their way to attend. As
such, it is *very* easy to disenfranchise large groups of people,
esp if the Skype chat is see
Hi folks,
forwarding my comment regarding the Skype discussion on
gene...@incubation to keep you in the loop ... :-)
Cheers,
Siegfried Goeschl
Original Message
Subject: [ISIS] Re: Conference call
Date: Fri, 19 Nov 2010 23:41:01 +0100
From: Siegfried Goeschl
Reply-To
Hi folks,
open source projects are done by individuals. And individuals like to
communicate during long & lonely nights in front of the keyboard. And
meeting the other ISIS developers is difficult since the are spread
around the globe.
So if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide
Hi Emmanuel Lecharny and all...
You are right, this is why this kind of meetings are not related to
decisions making in general, they are just like an online
get-together/meetup, they are optional not mandatory to attend, and no
decisions are taken in them, just brain storming, comments, ideas
On 11/19/10 11:52 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Siegfried Goeschl
wrote:
...if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide to run a regular
Skype meeting to meet each other electronically assuming
+) that the meeting is announced on the dev list
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:55 PM, James Carman
wrote:
> I'm just trying to make sure we do things the "Apache Way", since I'm
> supposed to be a "mentor" for this project
And it's great that podling members are discussing such things here.
The ASF is not here to impose any useless rules on p
I'm just trying to make sure we do things the "Apache Way", since I'm
supposed to be a "mentor" for this project.
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:41 PM, Siegfried Goeschl
wrote:
> Hi folks,
>
> open source projects are done by individuals. And individuals like to
> communicate during long & lonely nigh
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 11:41 PM, Siegfried Goeschl
wrote:
> ...if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide to run a regular
> Skype meeting to meet each other electronically assuming
>
> +) that the meeting is announced on the dev list
>
> +) that we not exclude any interested party
Hi folks,
open source projects are done by individuals. And individuals like to
communicate during long & lonely nights in front of the keyboard. And
meeting the other ISIS developers is difficult since the are spread
around the globe.
So if the ISIS developer/users/mentors/community decide
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