On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:02 PM, Goetz, Paul paul.go...@sap.com wrote:
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Have you had a chance to digest all the feedback?
Well, we're still digesting :o)
Florian started bit of a discussion on the Chemistry mailing list, but there
was not too much of a feedback - due to
Hi,
first, thanks for all your feedback.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
Have you had a chance to digest all the feedback?
Well, we're still digesting :o)
Florian started bit of a discussion on the Chemistry mailing list, but there
was not too much of a feedback - due to vacation. I guess, we will need
Hi,
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Goetz, Paul paul.go...@sap.com wrote:
we would like to propose a new incubator podling called OpenCMIS.
Have you had a chance to digest all the feedback?
The way I see it, the options for going forward with this proposal are:
1) Include OpenCMIS in the
I'm not sure if having two podlings implementing CMIS is a good idea.
The Incubator is not really in the business of pre-selecting winners. If there
are two communities that want to incubate, those are two separate items. If
there is a reason to see if they can merge, I am all for it.
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 8:41 PM, Joe Schaefer joe_schae...@yahoo.com wrote:
When Etch was proposed they didn't even mention Thrift, even tho they both
basically
have the same goals.
1. Etch and Thrift are not involved in specs, and more comparable to
web app framework domain.
2. Etch is
On Sun, Dec 13, 2009 at 2:42 AM, Niclas Hedhman nic...@hedhman.org wrote:
The Board has in the past condemned balkanization of community, and my
take on this situation is exactly that.
This is not yet another web framework, which often brought forward as
examples that the ASF encourages
On Dec 12, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Michael Wechner wrote:
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses Openness and Merit,
:35:18 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner
wrote:
Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the
incubator I
don't see any reason why there shouldn't be two
Stefane Fermigier wrote:
On Dec 12, 2009, at 1:36 PM, Michael Wechner wrote:
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
The Board has in the past condemned balkanization of community, and my
take on this situation is exactly that.
This is not yet another web framework, which often brought forward as
examples that the ASF encourages competition within. Those typically have a
different angle,
hi all,
here are my two cents.
i believe the cmis community is too small to fork at this point
and at least the chemistry part of the community does not want
to fork (at least that's my take, as a part of it).
so i would personally assume that all chemistry committers
would join the opencmis
,
December 11, 2009 7:46 PM
To: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server
On Sat, Dec 12, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Stefane Fermigier s...@nuxeo.com wrote:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first commandment
of the Apache Way:
*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF projects.
Community uses Openness and Merit, expressed
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server while
OpenCMIS is based on JAX-B and some CMIS specific XML coding.
I've been personally
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses Openness and Merit, expressed through
Collaborative
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner
michael.wech...@wyona.com wrote:
Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the incubator I
don't see any reason why there shouldn't be two projects of the same topic.
I also do not see any reason why OpenCMIS should be a
- Original Message
From: Florent Guillaume f...@nuxeo.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Cc: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 10:35:18 AM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Fri
Emmanuel Lcharny wrote:
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses Openness and Merit,
Florent Guillaume wrote:
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 11:18 PM, Michael Wechner
michael.wech...@wyona.com wrote:
Right and as long as OpenCMIS fulfills the requirements of the incubator I
don't see any reason why there shouldn't be two projects of the same topic.
I also do not see any reason why
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Emmanuel Lcharny wrote:
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Stefane Fermigier schrieb:
OK, I personally believe this is in contradiction with the first
commandment of the Apache Way:
*Community over Code* is a frequent saying that exemplifies ASF
projects. Community uses
- Original Message
From: Emmanuel Lcharny elecha...@gmail.com
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Sat, December 12, 2009 7:32:53 PM
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Michael Wechner a écrit :
Emmanuel Lcharny
Joe Schaefer a écrit :
snip/
I see where Joe is going to with his let both project get in and let's see
which one will survive, I can't help but thinking that beside the rules, there
is a spirit which is way more important.
At least, let's try...
The way I see it the purpose of a
The Board has in the past condemned balkanization of community, and my
take on this situation is exactly that.
This is not yet another web framework, which often brought forward as
examples that the ASF encourages competition within. Those typically have a
different angle, approach or metaphor,
hi all,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 12:09 PM, Gianugo Rabellino gian...@gmail.com wrote:
None of the above issues is a blocker, but the sum of the parts
doesn't give me exactly a warm, fuzzy feeling. I would appreciate the
proponents having a discussion with Chemistry first. If OpenCMIS,
however,
Message-
From: Stefane Fermigier [mailto:s...@nuxeo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 3:52 PM
To: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Same for me (if I understand your
On Dec 10, 2009, at 4:00 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote:
My earlier recommendation to Paul and Florian, and my recommendation
today, is that, if incubating is deemed the better choice, OpenCMIS
become a top level directory under the Chemistry codebase. The earlier
the two codebases are brought
Same for me (if I understand your opinion correctly): we shouldn't
have OpenCMIS competing with a subproject of Chemistry, because it
will have a negative impact both internally (on project developers)
and externally (on project customers):
1. Internally: duplication of effort, instead of
On Dec 11, 2009, at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Hi Stefane,
I'm not sure I get your point. If OpenCMIS would become a top level
subproject within Chemistry (which is what Florent suggested) then
those two topics would still remain. It would be even worse:
Chemistry would then have
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller fmuel...@opentext.com wrote:
The only way to overcome this is to merge the OpenCMIS code into the
Chemistry code base. But the technical approaches of the projects are so
different that this might not work - at least not in the short term.
I
Hi Chemistry,
I understand the concerns you might have and the confusion we have caused. But
please do not forget that Open in Open Source has a meaning. So I am not sure
that all the comments I read here are in accordance with the idea of it. So
before you just say No please think about
- If
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote:
I compared opencmis-provider-api to chemistry-api. While there are
differences in design (granularity of interfaces, type safety, etc.),
the fundamental architecture is the same for both projects. This is as
expected
On Dec 11, 2009, at 5:28 PM, Jens Hübel wrote:
Hi Chemistry,
I understand the concerns you might have and the confusion we have
caused. But please do not forget that Open in Open Source has a
meaning. So I am not sure that all the comments I read here are in
accordance with the idea of
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 5:48 PM, Stefane Fermigier s...@nuxeo.com wrote:
...More seriously, let's not attack each other's conception of open source,
and
focus on the question at hand
+1
...Everyone, member of the open source community or not, is free to start a
new
implementation of
: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Hi,
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 4:44 PM, Florian Müller fmuel...@opentext.com wrote:
The only way to overcome this is to merge the OpenCMIS code into the
Chemistry code base. But the technical approaches
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server while OpenCMIS
is based on JAX-B and some CMIS specific XML coding.
I've been personally asking myself recently wether it would be
feasible to drop Abdera in favor of JAXB in
-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
On Dec 11, 2009, at 7:10 PM, Florian Müller wrote:
Chemistry uses Abdera to communicate with the server while OpenCMIS
is based on JAX-B and some CMIS specific XML
any current rule of the incubator?
Cheers
Michael
Florian
-Original Message-
From: Stefane Fermigier [mailto:s...@nuxeo.com]
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 7:46 PM
To: chemistry-...@incubator.apache.org
Cc: Incubator-General
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content
Heya OpenCMIS folks,
Since it looks like you aren't currently supported by a champion or
mentor [1], I thought I'd fill in a small part and inject some warm
fuzzies...
*Thanks* for open sourcing your project and *thanks* for considering
doing it at apache. Its always a lot of effort to go
in parallel
isn't that bad.
Best regards,
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Gianugo Rabellino [mailto:gian...@gmail.com]
Sent: Mittwoch, 9. Dezember 2009 18:45
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS
Paul, thanks for your reply. Some quick comments:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Goetz, Paul paul.go...@sap.com wrote:
Hi Bertrand, hi Giuanugo,
we discussed that with Florent Guillaume (from Chemistry) already.
There are two aspects here, let me start with the technical one:
As stated in
Hi Paul,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 9:19 AM, Goetz, Paul paul.go...@sap.com wrote:
...we discussed that with Florent Guillaume (from Chemistry) already
Ok - although Florent is AFAIK very much involved in Chemistry, in my
Apache book that doesn't count as discussing with the Chemistry
project.
Hi,
Gianugo Rabellino schrieb:
... snip ...
I wish this discussion happened on chemistry-dev, and I would actually
like to see what the community as a whole thinks about it. I'd
actually prefer to see OpenCMIS possibly spinning off from Chemistry
after an unsuccessful integration attempt
: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Hi Bertrand, hi Giuanugo,
we discussed that with Florent Guillaume (from Chemistry) already.
There are two aspects here, let me start with the technical one:
As stated in the proposal: Chemistry aims to have
,
Paul
-Original Message-
From: Felix Meschberger [mailto:fmesc...@gmail.com]
Sent: Donnerstag, 10. Dezember 2009 10:00
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] OpenCMIS incubator for Content Mangement
Interoperability Services (CMIS)
Hi,
Gianugo Rabellino schrieb
Florian,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Florian Müller fmuel...@opentext.com wrote:
Hi,
I can talk a bit about the OpenCMIS architecture. That might help to
distinguish it from Chemistry.
snip/
I hope that helps.
It does, thanks for sharing. However, it would help a lot more as a
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Goetz, Paul paul.go...@sap.com wrote:
Hi,
well, sorry that the discussion did not happen on the Chemistry mailing list.
But for those being employees needing a legal clearance from their employer,
before they can contribute or mail to a mailing list, it is
Hi,
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Goetz, Paul paul.go...@sap.com wrote:
...well, sorry that the discussion did not happen on the Chemistry mailing
list.
But for those being employees needing a legal clearance from their employer,
before they
can contribute or mail to a mailing list, it
Hi Gianugo,
you wrote
I understand and sympathize, but if this is the kind of issues you are
facing, I would suggest that you have much bigger problems to solve
than an Open Source project. Actually, your statement is extremely
worrisome, as you should be aware that in Apache you have to act
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
As Gianugo says, the Chemistry folks are certainly the best people to
judge (together with you guys of course) whether your ideas can be
incorporated in Chemistry, or are better off in a separate project.
The Incubator's position is very probably that it's fine to
Hi,
I'm cross-posting this to general@ and chemistry-...@.
First let me say that I'm glad to see companies willing to open-source
their projects, that's always a good thing for the open source world
in general. I also understand that there is an existing and used
codebase from these companies
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:00 PM, Florent Guillaume f...@nuxeo.com wrote:
(or the fact that the code has not be released in any public manner yet)
Apologies, the code *is* released. Just not the discussions around its
design and its future.
Florent
--
Florent Guillaume, Director of RD, Nuxeo
Gianugo Rabellino wrote:
On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM, Michael Wechner
michael.wech...@wyona.com wrote:
Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
As Gianugo says, the Chemistry folks are certainly the best people to
judge (together with you guys of course) whether your ideas can be
incorporated
On Wed, Dec 9, 2009 at 6:21 PM, Goetz, Paul paul.go...@sap.com wrote:
...Alignment
Apache Chemistry aims to build a CMIS implementation, too. The focus for
OpenCMIS is to provide a
self-contained client library for CMIS for Java only - while Chemistry is
aiming at a broader scope, as
it
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