Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
While I have some concerns about the size of the project I trust the Champion and Mentors. Should the Mentors feel they need help then please reach out here. +1 (binding) > On Jan 10, 2023, at 9:21 AM, Brian Proffitt wrote: > > +1 (binding) > > On 2023/01/09 14:50:56 Jason Porter wrote: >> I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator >> project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is >> available at [1]. >> >> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal >> >> Jason Porter >> Software Engineer >> He/Him/His >> >> IBM >> >> > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
+1 (binding) On 2023/01/09 14:50:56 Jason Porter wrote: > I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator > project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is > available at [1]. > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal > > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
Hi, Jason Porter wrote: > The proposal is available at [1]... I'm copying the proposal text here, we usually include it in vote threads for archiving purposes. -Bertrand *** KIE proposal *** Abstract KIE (Knowledge is Everything) is a community of solutions and supporting tooling for knowledge engineering and process automation, focusing on events, rules, and workflows. Proposal KIE is a community dedicated to supporting knowledge engineering and process automation, using standards from groups like OMG (BPMN, CMMN, DMN), CNCF (Serverless Workflow, Cloud Events), and DMG (PMML, PFA). KIE is comprised of leading open-source projects (like Drools and jBPM), which provide modeling and code authoring tools in this space. The work has a strong emphasis on being a first-class citizen for Kubernetes but will continue to support embedded and other environments such as edge computing. Drools and jBPM are well-known projects in their areas of rules and workflow and they will be joined by another project, building on a shared core with jBPM, for CNCF’s Serverless Workflow - this project is going through a naming process at the time of this application. Kogito is the foundation project for workflow which jBPM and CNCF’s Serverless Workflow build on. Services and frameworks are provided to enable those projects in a cloud-native environment and tooling is made available through KIE Tools. Background Experience has shown that a holistic approach is a practical requirement for any knowledge engineering and process automation. This requires a breadth of capabilities able to model and execute an application’s data models, rules, workflows, and events. These projects aim to provide a holistic approach with a strong emphasis on congruency across them. Rationale Knowledge engineering and process automation have been and continue to play a large part in today’s software lifecycle. To date, there have been few truly open-source implementations of any of the specifications (DMN, PMML, BPMN, CNCF Workflow, etc). The projects within Red Hat implement these standards and fill that gap of having an open-source implementation. The projects within KIE also mesh well with other Apache projects such as Apache Camel and Apache Airavata. Integrations could be done at the IoT level with Apache PLC4X and others. Developers need a solution that follows, implements, and collaborates with these industry specifications. The Apache Software Foundation would allow these projects to continue to grow in a vendor-neutral environment and promote further collaboration with existing integrations and future partners. Initial Goals First and foremost, we aim to enlarge the community. KIE has primarily been an open-source community of Red Hat Developers and users outside of Red Hat. Adding IBM to the list of developers helps, but we would like to see more. We have ideas for the various sub-projects, such as straight-through processing support in Kogito, better spec compliance for the tooling, and more research into language bindings for non-Java languages. We believe we can address some of these while an Apache Incubator project. Current Status Code for the various projects with the KIE community is all hosted on GitHub. This includes Kogito, Drools, jBPM, and KIE Tools. All of the code is Apache 2 licensed. Red Hat has been the project’s custodian since its inception and has maintained leadership in that area. Moving forward into the Apache Incubator, we would need to establish the habit of holding votes and meetings and the project updates per the Apache Way. We also currently maintain a YouTube channel dedicated to the community and projects, a Twitter presence, and a LinkedIn page for the KIE Community. Meritocracy Red Hat runs all of its open-source projects as meritocracies, the KIE Community is no different. This aspect would not change any. Kogito currently does not make a distinction between “committer” and “PMC member” the same way Apache does. That aspect would need implementation. Community The KIE Community has an active base of contributors within and outside Red Hat. Community members currently use Zulip chat or mailing lists hosted by Google Groups as communication tools. It has been that way for many years. Before that, we were using IRC at Freenode for many years. There are also mailing lists hosted on Google Groups that are leveraged for those who prefer mailing list communication. Zulip was started as a standard communication medium for KIE Community back in 2020. IRC has been used since 2003. Core Developers Core developers would come from both Red Hat and IBM. They include people who have been working on related projects and the creation of the KIE Community since the beginning, and also people new to the project. Alignment Projects within the KIE Community align with multiple efforts within Apache, namely: * Apache OpenWhisk * Apache Airavata * Apache Camel We are currently actively
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
+1 (non-binding) It would be interesting to see these pieces of software developed under the Apache umbrella. Regards, Karol On 2023/01/09 14:50:56 Jason Porter wrote: > I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator > project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is > available at [1]. > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal > > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
+1 I've updated the Confluence page to remove the refs to IBM and RedHat. On Mon, 9 Jan 2023 at 16:35, Jason Porter wrote: > > Looks like I messed up sections. Happy to change, but I don't have edit > access to the Wiki. We have the Apache Camel project and Brian Proffit as > sponsors for the incubator project. > > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > > On Jan 9, 2023, at 08:02, Sheng Wu wrote: > > I noticed the sponsor part of the proposal > > Sponsors > IBM and Red Hat are the sponsors for the project. > > I think this sponsor part referring an ASF TLP, which usually be the > incubator in here or other TLPs. > These two companies may provide support to the developers, but this is > not the meaning of the proposal. > > Sheng Wu 吴晟 > Twitter, wusheng1108 > > Antoine Toulme 于2023年1月9日周一 22:58写道： > > Here is my +1 (binding). I worked with Drools long time ago and am excited to > see KIE take it to the next level! > > Cheers, > > Antoine > > On Jan 9, 2023, at 06:51, Jason Porter wrote: > > I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator > project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is > available at [1]. > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal > > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
Looks like I messed up sections. Happy to change, but I don't have edit access to the Wiki. We have the Apache Camel project and Brian Proffit as sponsors for the incubator project. Jason Porter Software Engineer He/Him/His IBM On Jan 9, 2023, at 08:02, Sheng Wu wrote: I noticed the sponsor part of the proposal Sponsors IBM and Red Hat are the sponsors for the project. I think this sponsor part referring an ASF TLP, which usually be the incubator in here or other TLPs. These two companies may provide support to the developers, but this is not the meaning of the proposal. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Antoine Toulme 于2023年1月9日周一 22:58写道： Here is my +1 (binding). I worked with Drools long time ago and am excited to see KIE take it to the next level! Cheers, Antoine On Jan 9, 2023, at 06:51, Jason Porter wrote: I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is available at [1]. [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal Jason Porter Software Engineer He/Him/His IBM - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
+1 (binding). Thanks. Il giorno lun 9 gen 2023 alle ore 15:51 Jason Porter ha scritto: > I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator > project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is > available at [1]. > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal > > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > >
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
I noticed the sponsor part of the proposal > Sponsors IBM and Red Hat are the sponsors for the project. I think this sponsor part referring an ASF TLP, which usually be the incubator in here or other TLPs. These two companies may provide support to the developers, but this is not the meaning of the proposal. Sheng Wu 吴晟 Twitter, wusheng1108 Antoine Toulme 于2023年1月9日周一 22:58写道： > > Here is my +1 (binding). I worked with Drools long time ago and am excited to > see KIE take it to the next level! > > Cheers, > > Antoine > > > On Jan 9, 2023, at 06:51, Jason Porter wrote: > > > > I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator > > project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is > > available at [1]. > > > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal > > > > Jason Porter > > Software Engineer > > He/Him/His > > > > IBM > > > > > - > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: [VOTE] KIE proposal acceptance
Here is my +1 (binding). I worked with Drools long time ago and am excited to see KIE take it to the next level! Cheers, Antoine > On Jan 9, 2023, at 06:51, Jason Porter wrote: > > I'd like to call a vote for the acceptance of KIE as an Apache Incubator > project as the conversation around the proposal has ended. The proposal is > available at [1]. > > [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/INCUBATOR/KIE+Proposal > > Jason Porter > Software Engineer > He/Him/His > > IBM > - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
