Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
2012/5/10 Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com Hi, On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: (And, drive-by -- we have both Amber and Ambari -- are the names too similar?) Dunno. I tend to confuse them occasionally, but that's probably just because they by chance happen to be reporting in the same month. Not sure if there's much confusion beyond that as they're targeting different domains, OAuth and Hadoop. Amber and Ambari, have you encountered cases of confusion because of your similar names? not that I know. BTW, starting from the discussion on LEGAL-134 we are now starting to move forward [1]. Regards, Tommaso [1] : http://markmail.org/thread/34vapf2md7vul7yk BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
Jukka Zitting wrote on Thu, May 10, 2012 at 00:11:33 +0200: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Legal JIRA raised on 30/4/2011 at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-134 - looks like it will be resolved soon but mentors should have provided this advice 18 months ago. Any volunteers to help Amber finish this task? Why hasn't it been done yet? The jira asks a question, an answer was given (do not remove the NU headers without NU's permission), seems to me the next step is for Amber to either do so or explain why they don't. (And, drive-by -- we have both Amber and Ambari -- are the names too similar?) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
Hi, On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Thu, May 10, 2012 at 00:11:33 +0200: Any volunteers to help Amber finish this task? Why hasn't it been done yet? The jira asks a question, an answer was given (do not remove the NU headers without NU's permission), seems to me the next step is for Amber to either do so or explain why they don't. That's exactly the kind of mentor help we need here. Without experience in how issues like these are handled within the ASF it's hard for a podling to tell whether and when it's fine to move forward. For example it may well be less than obvious that it's fine to just resolve the LEGAL issue based on the expressed consensus there instead of waiting for someone from the legal team. BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
Jukka Zitting wrote on Thu, May 10, 2012 at 18:33:28 +0200: Hi, On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: Jukka Zitting wrote on Thu, May 10, 2012 at 00:11:33 +0200: Any volunteers to help Amber finish this task? Why hasn't it been done yet? The jira asks a question, an answer was given (do not remove the NU headers without NU's permission), seems to me the next step is for Amber to either do so or explain why they don't. That's exactly the kind of mentor help we need here. Without experience in how issues like these are handled within the ASF it's hard for a podling to tell whether and when it's fine to move forward. For example it may well be less than obvious that it's fine to just resolve the LEGAL issue based on the expressed consensus there instead of waiting for someone from the legal team. Good point, but I withdraw my question; when I wrote it I assumed 18 months ago is when the jira was filed, but now I see it's very recent. Thanks, Daniel BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
Hi, On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 5:59 PM, Daniel Shahaf d...@daniel.shahaf.name wrote: (And, drive-by -- we have both Amber and Ambari -- are the names too similar?) Dunno. I tend to confuse them occasionally, but that's probably just because they by chance happen to be reporting in the same month. Not sure if there's much confusion beyond that as they're targeting different domains, OAuth and Hadoop. Amber and Ambari, have you encountered cases of confusion because of your similar names? BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
Hi, On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Blocked from graduation by IP signoff from University of Newcastle. Report asks for guidance. Why are mentors not providing this? The projet has, IMHO, been unnecessarily blocked by this since October 2010. My earlier mentor cleanup review suggested that *all* original Amber mentors have been inactive for some while already. Raymond has recently stepped up to help, but I think more new mentors may be needed. Anyone interested? The situation here sounds similar to other podlings that have ended up in a limbo with no active mentors to guide them. We definitely need better ways of detecting and dealing with such situations before they start blocking progress in a podling. Legal JIRA raised on 30/4/2011 at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-134 - looks like it will be resolved soon but mentors should have provided this advice 18 months ago. Any volunteers to help Amber finish this task? BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
One of the Amber committers Pid (pidster) just restarted the discussion on the Amber ML and he volunteered to contact the copyright owner. Hopefully the issue will be resolved soon. But it seems that we are good to move forward. Thanks, Raymond On May 9, 2012, at 3:11 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Blocked from graduation by IP signoff from University of Newcastle. Report asks for guidance. Why are mentors not providing this? The projet has, IMHO, been unnecessarily blocked by this since October 2010. My earlier mentor cleanup review suggested that *all* original Amber mentors have been inactive for some while already. Raymond has recently stepped up to help, but I think more new mentors may be needed. Anyone interested? The situation here sounds similar to other podlings that have ended up in a limbo with no active mentors to guide them. We definitely need better ways of detecting and dealing with such situations before they start blocking progress in a podling. Legal JIRA raised on 30/4/2011 at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-134 - looks like it will be resolved soon but mentors should have provided this advice 18 months ago. Any volunteers to help Amber finish this task? BR, Jukka Zitting - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
Hi, On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:11 PM, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: ...The situation here sounds similar to other podlings that have ended up in a limbo with no active mentors to guide them. We definitely need better ways of detecting and dealing with such situations before they start blocking progress in a podling Earlier this year we voted on a change to the champion's role [1] (see during incubation) which includes looking after the podling to make sure mentors are sufficiently active. I didn't actively follow up so far, but making sure every podling has a responsive champion would be a start, WDYT? I just updated the podlings.xsl so that [2] now displays champions recorded in podlings.xml, with missing ones marked in red. -Bertrand [1] http://incubator.apache.org/incubation/Roles_and_Responsibilities.html#Champion [2] http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/incubator/public/trunk/content/podlings.xml - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
Re: AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
On 9 May 2012 23:11, Jukka Zitting jukka.zitt...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 8, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: ... Legal JIRA raised on 30/4/2011 at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-134 - looks like it will be resolved soon but mentors should have provided this advice 18 months ago. Any volunteers to help Amber finish this task? Raymond seems to be engaged on the issue so hopefully it'll be cleared up soon. Raymond knows where to come for help if necessary. Ross - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
AMBER Status: let down by incubator?
As a shepherd I just reviewed the Amber project. In my opinion this project has been badly let down by the incubation process. Here are my notes from the review: Blocked from graduation by IP signoff from University of Newcastle. Report asks for guidance. Why are mentors not providing this? The projet has, IMHO, been unnecessarily blocked by this since October 2010. Legal JIRA raised on 30/4/2011 at https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/LEGAL-134 - looks like it will be resolved soon but mentors should have provided this advice 18 months ago. Useful summary of timeline and status at http://markmail.org/message/y5aevzuiyaimoz3t Ross -- Ross Gardler (@rgardler) Programme Leader (Open Development) OpenDirective http://opendirective.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
