Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-22 Thread Matt Sicker
>From what I remember reading, the only votes that really seem to require consensus are kicking people out. On 22 June 2018 at 04:03, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 2:20 AM Hen wrote: > > ...My assumption is that the rules for voting for an Apache member are > the

Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-22 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi, On Fri, Jun 22, 2018 at 2:20 AM Hen wrote: > ...My assumption is that the rules for voting for an Apache member are the > same as for voting for a PMC member or a committer. Ideally there are no > -1s, but at the end of the day it’s a majority vote That's my understanding: there are no

Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-22 Thread Greg Stein
Roy said a while ago that for (P)PMC votes, a -1 is a veto. It is basically saying, "I cannot work with this person". And corollary, "I should not have to". Cheers, -g On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, 20:54 Hen wrote: > Interesting. > > Foundation-wise, all our votes are Majority Voting (new member

Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-21 Thread Hen
Interesting. Foundation-wise, all our votes are Majority Voting (new member vote, board vote (ish), votes by the board themselves, omnibus voting). There's little expectation/requirement of consensus. Jakarta/Commons wise new committer votes felt that way (Majority); however both of those were

Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-21 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, > Agreed. It does not discuss having a [DISCUSS] thread before the [VOTE]. It > is important to do that because then an objection (-1) can be discussed > properly. There can be many reasons that a PMC member might object and these > need to expressed. Not doing so might lose PMC members

Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-21 Thread Justin Mclean
Hi, Way back when each project having a set of bylaws/guidelines was fashionable I looked through them and there is some variation but a -1 on a committer or PMC member is generally treated as a veto. That being said any objections should really come up in the discussion stage (and hopefully

Re: Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-21 Thread Dave Fisher
> On Jun 21, 2018, at 5:20 PM, Hen wrote: > > I’m wondering what a -1 means on a committer vote. > > https://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html says “and no vetoes”, while > https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html does not list a new committer > vote as a “technical” vote. > > My

Committer/PPMC votes

2018-06-21 Thread Hen
I’m wondering what a -1 means on a committer vote. https://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html says “and no vetoes”, while https://www.apache.org/foundation/voting.html does not list a new committer vote as a “technical” vote. My assumption is that the rules for voting for an Apache member