Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Matthias Friedrich
On Monday, 2013-03-25, Alex Karasulu wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: [...] IMO it's the podlings who need to make sure they have enough mentor energy available - they are best placed to judge that, and delegating that to them scales

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Ted Dunning
Yeah... the question of how much mentoring is kind of one of those things that mentors should advise on. Hmm... there's a problem. This is one place that the shepherds really, really can come in handy for. Likewise, simple hurdles like all mentors have to sign off every report help highlight

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Upayavira
Exactly. Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row, shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts them asking if they still want to be involved. If they don't answer, then the shepherd goes to the podling private list, and tells them that mentor x is not

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 7:21 AM, Matthias Friedrich m...@mafr.de wrote: On Monday, 2013-03-25, Alex Karasulu wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: [...] IMO it's the podlings who need to make sure they have enough mentor energy available

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: ...Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row, shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts them asking if they still want to be involved. If they don't answer, then the shepherd goes to

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-25 Thread Dave Fisher
On Mar 25, 2013, at 2:17 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote: On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 8:47 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: ...Simple rule. If mentors don't sign two reports in a row, shepherd checks they are subscribed to the dev list, and then contacts them asking if they still want to be

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Upayavira
I have mentored at least two podlings where I am the only active mentor. One had six mentors on the list, but I was the only one actually paying any attention. We're not talking about occasional absenteeism, we're talking not having participated since the beginning of the podling. One podling I

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Alexei Fedotov
At Openmeetings we spent some time looking for mentors, and every mentor really helped at some point. Upayavira's letter reminds me to say thanks to @Andrus, @Egor and @Ross. 24.03.2013 21:21 пользователь Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk написал: I have mentored at least two podlings where I am the

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Christian Grobmeier
Global +1 to what Upayavira said, then: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: So sure, let's not force out people who are having a bad month or something, but surely we should only be listing as mentors those that are actually paying some attention to the podling?

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Benson Margulies
Given some other arguments going on around here, I think that I am shortly going to have to start suppressing my own opinions and focus on neutral facilitation. However, I'm going to have a little fling on this topic, first. I think that it is a mistake to emphasize the idea that roles convey

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...I would offer a compromise process. If someone does not even sign off the report for two or three months running, send an email to that person, copying general@, asking, politely, if they wish to remain a

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Ross Gardler
On 24 March 2013 19:05, Christian Grobmeier grobme...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 6:21 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: So sure, let's not force out people who are having a bad month or something, but surely we should only be listing as mentors those that are actually

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-24 Thread Alex Karasulu
On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 10:43 PM, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org wrote: On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 8:27 PM, Benson Margulies bimargul...@gmail.com wrote: ...I would offer a compromise process. If someone does not even sign off the report for two or three months running, send an

Re: Identifying and removing inactive mentors

2013-03-23 Thread Ross Gardler
I'd suggest a different approach, the motivation for this suggestion is that I don't believe having inactive mentors is a problem if there is an active one available. Everyone gets busy occasionally, should we really be kicking them off a podling when they have already expressed interest? At next