Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ate Douma
On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org wrote: I am sure you know this (especially since you first pointed me at this page), but the release FAQ [1] makes it sound like you need the header, if you assume your templates

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread ant elder
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.org  wrote: I am sure you know this (especially since you first pointed me at this page), but the release FAQ [1]

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Jukka Zitting
Hi, [legal-discuss@?] On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Would it be acceptable for these files to *not* have licence headers in them? Going further, you may want to explicitly declare that downstream users have the right to distribute their widgets

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ate Douma
On 02/06/2012 03:30 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ate Doumaa...@douma.nu wrote: On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B. mfrank...@mitre.orgwrote: I am sure you know this (especially since you first pointed me

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ate Douma
On 02/06/2012 03:40 PM, Jukka Zitting wrote: Hi, [legal-discuss@?] On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 10:58 AM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Would it be acceptable for these files to *not* have licence headers in them? Going further, you may want to explicitly declare that downstream

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Perfect - thanks Ate On 6 February 2012 14:54, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: On 02/06/2012 03:30 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ate Doumaa...@douma.nu  wrote: On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Franklin, Matthew B.

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread sebb
As I read it, http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions only applies to files with no creative content. AFAICT this is not the case here. On 6 February 2012 15:03, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Perfect - thanks Ate On 6 February 2012 14:54, Ate Douma

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 February 2012 15:20, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: As I read it, http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions only applies to files with no creative content. AFAICT this is not the case here. Can you tell me why you think this is the case? As a reminder, in my original

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread sebb
On 6 February 2012 15:29, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 February 2012 15:20, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: As I read it, http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions only applies to files with no creative content. AFAICT this is not the case here. Can you

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ross Gardler
On 6 February 2012 16:07, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: On 6 February 2012 15:29, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: On 6 February 2012 15:20, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: As I read it, http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-exceptions only applies to files with no

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread sebb
On 6 February 2012 16:30, ant elder ant.el...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:54 PM, Ate Douma a...@douma.nu wrote: On 02/06/2012 03:30 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Ate Doumaa...@douma.nu  wrote: On 02/06/2012 02:44 PM, ant elder wrote: On Mon, Feb 6,

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Perhaps the answer to Why is a licensing header necessary? http://www.apache.org/legal/src-headers.html#faq-whyheader is relevant here. The README file is generally not going to be modified - or seen in isolation - so it's not so

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 6, 2012 5:26 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Perhaps the answer to Why is a licensing header necessary?

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Craig L Russell
I added comments to the JIRA: Reading the examples provided gives me the idea that there is little creativity. Most of the content is required by the xml formatting rules. Look at the files after removing the xml: result collapsible ID TITLE detail. That said, the rule is absolute. I'd

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Excellent clarification, and certainly removes doubt (for me) in this case. Thanks. Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 6, 2012 6:31 PM, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: I added comments to the JIRA: Reading the examples provided gives me the

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 13:18, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 6, 2012 5:26 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM, sebb seb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Perhaps the answer to Why is a

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ate Douma
On 02/06/2012 07:18 PM, Ross Gardler wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 6, 2012 5:26 PM, Greg Steingst...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM, sebbseb...@gmail.com wrote: ... Perhaps the answer to Why is a licensing header necessary?

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread Ross Gardler
Yes, Ate is right. There is likely to gee a situation in the future when some of these files might contain creative content. I think Craig's clarification covers this and there will, in the future, need to enhance the code to strip licences. My question here is about the way forward for a release

Re: Licence headers in template files

2012-02-06 Thread sebb
On 6 February 2012 19:38, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 13:18, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: Sent from my mobile device, please forgive errors and brevity. On Feb 6, 2012 5:26 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: On Feb 6, 2012 11:41 AM, sebb