Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-05 Thread Henri Yandell
+1 to retire (non-binding). What worries me is that Chen is talking about a 4th release while the website doesn't record the Copyright or Verify distribution rights as having been completed. +1 (non-binding) to remove the source from SVN upon retirement due to the Copyright action items not

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-05 Thread Jack Cai
I have been on vacation since last week and missed this hot discussion. I think BlueSky is a valuable project and the proposers/contributors all have good intention to make the project successful here. I also understand that due to the special way that the project operates (short term students as

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-04 Thread Upayavira
On Sun, 03 Jul 2011 13:51 -0500, William A. Rowe Jr. wr...@rowe-clan.net wrote: On 6/28/2011 12:49 AM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 7/1/2011 7:58 PM, Chen Liu wrote: We're preparing for the 4th version release. We need the whole July to do this work,thanks for your patience. Ok, stop. I think you are all conflating releases with what is required to continue here at the ASF. releases have not been the main issue. The

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 7/1/2011 8:10 PM, Chen Liu wrote: We've already known our failure in ASF. We would not find any excuses for this bed situation. But we just hope one more month to release the 4th version work. We've been advancing Bluesky project and now the 4th version is an integtared system including

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-03 Thread William A. Rowe Jr.
On 6/28/2011 12:49 AM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are changing frequently without

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Bill Stoddard
I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor. Bill On 6/28/11 1:49 AM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in

RE: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Bill Stoddard wrote: I would like to see this vote suspended until we can get some feedback from Jack Cai re whether he is willing to be a mentor. I concur that we should suspend this vote pending the outcome of the project's attempt to reboot. --- Noel

RE: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Upayavira
I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time, a swift vote can close the project down. Upayavira On Fri, 01 Jul 2011 09:36 -0400, Noel J. Bergman n...@devtech.com wrote: Bill Stoddard wrote: I

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Christian Grobmeier
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote: I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time, a swift vote can close the project down. +1 Christian Upayavira On Fri, 01

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Andreas Kuckartz
The vote does not need to be suspended. It perhaps would be enough to leave the vote open for a month. If there is at least one -1 by then the podling might continue to exist, otherwise it is retired. My non-binding vote on retirement: +1 Cheers, Andreas --- Am 01.07.2011 23:28, schrieb

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Ross Gardler
+1 to retire Bluesky (binding) I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told we'll do better. The votes been called lets just move on, the ASF is not the right home for this project for the reasons already

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Benson Margulies
+1 (Binding) On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:58 PM, Ross Gardler rgard...@opendirective.com wrote: +1 to retire Bluesky (binding) I see no reason for suspending the vote. We've been round this particular merry-go-round many times already. Each time we're told we'll do better. The votes been called

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Craig L Russell
+1 for retiring Bluesky I believe that the Bluesky project is well-intentioned but just doesn't belong at Apache. The coders do not use mail lists for discussions of design, code, infrastructure, or other aspects of project management that Apache projects must do. If it didn't happen on

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Chen Liu
We're preparing for the 4th version release. We need the whole July to do this work,thanks for your patience. 2011/7/2 Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk I would support a one month wait. No more. They've had a long time. One month is long enough to show seriousness. With no movement in that time, a

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Greg Stein
I concur with Craig's thoughts. +1 to retire (binding). On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 19:27, Craig L Russell craig.russ...@oracle.com wrote: +1 for retiring Bluesky I believe that the Bluesky project is well-intentioned but just doesn't belong at Apache. The coders do not use mail lists for

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Luciano Resende
On Fri, Jul 1, 2011 at 6:08 PM, Greg Stein gst...@gmail.com wrote: I concur with Craig's thoughts. +1 to retire (binding). +1, even with the whole discussion that there is a need for open development right now and not in the future, the last Chen Lu messages keeps trying to by more time with

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Kalle Korhonen
+1 (non-binding) for the retirement proposal. Chen, the vote has nothing to do with whether you manage to release the 4th version or not, and the failure to see that and the failure to understand what Apache and the incubator is about is a testament to why the project should be retired, in my

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Henry Saputra
+1 (non-binding) Looking at the (lack of) progress and interest, I think its time to end incubation for Bluesky. - Henry On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-07-01 Thread Upayavira
Chen, the suggestion is not for you to take July to complete your release. If you told me you had cancelled the proposed release and were working on migrating to open development at Apache, I might be prepared to pause a month. Your comment only makes me feel inclined not to wait. If you want to

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Martijn Dashorst
+1 Martijn On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Emmanuel Lecharny
On 6/28/11 7:49 AM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. +1 -- Regards, Cordialement, Emmanuel Lécharny www.iktek.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are changing

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Niklas Gustavsson
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: [X] +1, retire Bluesky for the time being /niklas - To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail:

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Tommaso Teofili
+1 Tommaso 2011/6/28 berndf ber...@apache.org Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are changing frequently

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling +1 I will also forward the vote message to bluesky-priv...@incubator.apache.org and to J.Aaron Farr and Bill Stoddard, listed as mentors as

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Bernd Fondermann
On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 07:49, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: The vote is open at least until 2011-07-02 12:00 UTC. I'll extend the voting period until 2011-07-05 so the project has some time to find new mentors. Bernd - To

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (388J)
+1 (binding). Cheers, Chris On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:49 PM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Ralph Goers
+1 Ralph On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:49 PM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are changing

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Christian Grobmeier
+1 On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:49 AM, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are

RE: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't have Internet access right now, except for ssh to my mail server. Has anyone told the BlueSky project about this vote, yet? I'm +1 for retirement, but feel that part of the process for retiring a project should be notice to the project that retirement is being considered and acted upon.

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Luciano Resende
On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:49 PM, berndf ber...@apache.org wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are

Re: [VOTE] Retire Bluesky Podling

2011-06-28 Thread Alan D. Cabrera
+1 Regards, Alan On Jun 27, 2011, at 10:49 PM, berndf wrote: Hi everyone, this is a vote to retire the Bluesky podling. 3.5 years into incubation, the podling has not made progress in terms of becoming an Apache project. Dev is still done behind closed doors, and developers are