Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Dave Fisher]

> On Apr 8, 2020, at 12:42 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> HI,
> 
>> I suggest:
>> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
>> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
>> corporate independence principle)
>> b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to 
>> GitHub
>> c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
>> points to their .apache.org URL
> 
> +1 all good suggestions.
> 
>> I think this information belongs to
>> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs 
> 
> And a good place to put it.

That page is from the Brand committee. I you want to make changes then you need 
to take it there.

Regards,
Dave



> 
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Justin Mclean]

HI,

> I suggest:
> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
> corporate independence principle)
> b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
> c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
> points to their .apache.org URL

+1 all good suggestions.

> I think this information belongs to
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs 

And a good place to put it.

Thanks,
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Martijn Dashorst]

There's probably a designer who can make this into a feather or a
octofeather...

http://tholman.com/github-corners/

Martijn


On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 12:05 PM Harbs  wrote:

> Sounds good to me.
>
> If there’s agreement on this, I’d suggest someone come up with some CSS
> which can be popped into project sites similar to what GitHub offers for
> their banners. (I’m not very good at CSS myself…) ;-)
>
> Harbs
>
> > On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz <
> bdelacre...@codeconsult.ch> wrote:
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs  wrote:
> >> ...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems
> to be to remove “GitHub” from the link...
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament 
> wrote:
> >> ...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
> >> members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level
> fork...
> >
> > Considering this and the Board discussion mentioned in this thread I
> > think changing the language would work, and also using a nofollow
> > attribute on the link to GitHub.
> >
> > I suggest:
> > a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
> > (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
> > corporate independence principle)
> > b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to
> GitHub
> > c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
> > points to their .apache.org URL
> >
> > I think this information belongs to
> > https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs as that's where projects
> > find the ASF requirements for their websites - this one is not
> > strictly about branding but it's good to have all this info in one
> > place.
> >
> > If we agree on this I suggest that we propose a patch for that page to
> > trademarks@
> >
> > -Bertrand
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Harbs]

Sounds good to me.

If there’s agreement on this, I’d suggest someone come up with some CSS which 
can be popped into project sites similar to what GitHub offers for their 
banners. (I’m not very good at CSS myself…) ;-)

Harbs

> On Mar 31, 2020, at 11:20 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz 
>  wrote:
> 
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs  wrote:
>> ...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be 
>> to remove “GitHub” from the link...
> 
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament  wrote:
>> ...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
>> members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork...
> 
> Considering this and the Board discussion mentioned in this thread I
> think changing the language would work, and also using a nofollow
> attribute on the link to GitHub.
> 
> I suggest:
> a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
> (because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
> corporate independence principle)
> b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
> c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
> points to their .apache.org URL
> 
> I think this information belongs to
> https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs as that's where projects
> find the ASF requirements for their websites - this one is not
> strictly about branding but it's good to have all this info in one
> place.
> 
> If we agree on this I suggest that we propose a patch for that page to
> trademarks@
> 
> -Bertrand
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Bertrand Delacretaz]

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 10:27 AM Harbs  wrote:
> ...The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be 
> to remove “GitHub” from the link...

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 3:46 PM John D. Ament  wrote:
> ...The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
> members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork...

Considering this and the Board discussion mentioned in this thread I
think changing the language would work, and also using a nofollow
attribute on the link to GitHub.

I suggest:
a) Changing the language of such banners to "Pull Requests Welcome"
(because "forking" can be misunderstood and due to our fierce
corporate independence principle)
b) Asking our projects to add a "rel=nofollow" attribute on the link to GitHub
c) Asking our projects to make sure the README of their repositories
points to their .apache.org URL

I think this information belongs to
https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs as that's where projects
find the ASF requirements for their websites - this one is not
strictly about branding but it's good to have all this info in one
place.

If we agree on this I suggest that we propose a patch for that page to
trademarks@

-Bertrand

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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[David Nalley]

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 8:57 PM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> > I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> adopted by many Apache projects.
>
> Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF
> distribution policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed
> or clarified.
>
>
>
This isn't an infra issue. Infra is completely indifferent on the matter.
As a member of the brand committee, I don't think it's a brand issue
either.

--David

Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Harbs]

Sure. I understand that. I have no issue with what happened with the graduating 
project. (hence the new thread) Congrats on that!!! :-)

I’ll leave this here for a couple of days to give folks a chance to respond. If 
folks think that this should continue on board@ then we can do that.

Cheers,
Harbs

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 11:34 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I suggest you take this up with the board, as it is perhaps time to revisit 
> it. The trademark email BTW was directly related to this graduation and the 
> GitHub link, the project went further and removed company logos from another 
> page as well.
> 
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> Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I suggest you take this up with the board, as it is perhaps time to revisit it. 
The trademark email BTW was directly related to this graduation and the GitHub 
link, the project went further and removed company logos from another page as 
well.

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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Harbs]

FWIW, this is the only thing I found on (private) press@ 
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/439a22a02f6200a106e4d209f401d98f9223c72df08ba8ea1d07f7ba%401418715959%40%3Cpress.apache.org%3E
 


As far as I can tell, the action item on this stalled and the whole topic was 
never completely resolved.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 10:16 AM, Harbs  wrote:
> 
> The discussion on trademarks is about general sponsor links. As far as I can 
> tell, it has nothing to do with “Fork Me”.
> 
> I read the thread on board@ and I looked at the notes in the agenda from 
> 2014_12_17.
> 
> I don’t see a consensus that Fork Me is not allowed. I do see a consensus 
> that it’s not preferred. I do see that Wicket removed it. Other projects 
> still have it. I do see a preference to have an alternate ribbon which 
> doesn’t have the words “GitHub”, but has the same behavior. I’m not sure if 
> any such ribbon was ever created. Justin, you mention something Sally mocked 
> up, but I couldn’t find that. Do you have a link?
> 
> If an alternate ribbon was created, that should be recommended instead of 
> making a blanket statement that “Fork Me” is not allowed.
> 
> My $0.02,
> Harbs
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Julian Hyde  wrote:
>> 
>> Ah, thanks Justin. Sorry I didn't notice the board action and the
>> recommendation from trademarks.
>> 
>> I don't think there's much left to discuss. The board and trademarks
>> have made their policy clear. We (the incubator) should make podlings
>> aware of the policy.
>> 
>> I think "fork me on GitHub" is less contentious than it was 5 years
>> ago, so whatever was decided then will suffice for now.
>> 
>> Julian
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM Justin Mclean  
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
 I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from 
 the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
>>> 
>>> Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally 
>>> made some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what 
>>> happened to those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I 
>>> couldn’t find it.
>>> 
>>> Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).
>>> 
>>> Thanks
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Harbs]

The discussion on trademarks is about general sponsor links. As far as I can 
tell, it has nothing to do with “Fork Me”.

I read the thread on board@ and I looked at the notes in the agenda from 
2014_12_17.

I don’t see a consensus that Fork Me is not allowed. I do see a consensus that 
it’s not preferred. I do see that Wicket removed it. Other projects still have 
it. I do see a preference to have an alternate ribbon which doesn’t have the 
words “GitHub”, but has the same behavior. I’m not sure if any such ribbon was 
ever created. Justin, you mention something Sally mocked up, but I couldn’t 
find that. Do you have a link?

If an alternate ribbon was created, that should be recommended instead of 
making a blanket statement that “Fork Me” is not allowed.

My $0.02,
Harbs

> On Mar 29, 2020, at 8:44 AM, Julian Hyde  wrote:
> 
> Ah, thanks Justin. Sorry I didn't notice the board action and the
> recommendation from trademarks.
> 
> I don't think there's much left to discuss. The board and trademarks
> have made their policy clear. We (the incubator) should make podlings
> aware of the policy.
> 
> I think "fork me on GitHub" is less contentious than it was 5 years
> ago, so whatever was decided then will suffice for now.
> 
> Julian
> 
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM Justin Mclean  
> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from 
>>> the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
>> 
>> Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally 
>> made some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened 
>> to those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I couldn’t find it.
>> 
>> Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).
>> 
>> Thanks
>> Justin
>> 
>> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Julian Hyde]

Ah, thanks Justin. Sorry I didn't notice the board action and the
recommendation from trademarks.

I don't think there's much left to discuss. The board and trademarks
have made their policy clear. We (the incubator) should make podlings
aware of the policy.

I think "fork me on GitHub" is less contentious than it was 5 years
ago, so whatever was decided then will suffice for now.

Julian

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 3:38 PM Justin Mclean  wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> > I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from 
> > the board to not say “fork me on GitHub”.
>
> Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally made 
> some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened to 
> those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I couldn’t find it.
>
>  Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).
>
> Thanks
> Justin
>
> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the 
> board to not say “fork me on GitHub”. 

Did you note the board action and discussion in the board reports? Sally made 
some alternative mock up to use (2015-01-21) I’m not sure what happened to 
those. There was suggestion of a blog item on it, but I couldn’t find it.

 Also this discussion one trademarks [1] (also private).

Thanks
Justin

1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r1c39d11c1d84dbe84670bbd124b5fb627794d62cad9413e026e39a0a%40%3Ctrademarks.apache.org%3E


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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Julian Hyde]

I read the board@ thread and, unless I missed it, there was no edict from the 
board to not say “fork me on GitHub”. 

Therefore it’s down to projects’ discretion how they promote themselves. 
(Consistent with branding policy etc.)

Unless and until the board speaks  I don’t think we need to tell projects (or 
polling) what to do. 

Julian

> On Mar 28, 2020, at 10:45 AM, Harbs  wrote:
> 
> I was wondering what the best place for this discussion would be. I couldn’t 
> really think of a better place than incubator.
> 
> I considered starting the discussion on board@ or members@, but I didn’t want 
> another private discussion. Not sure about infra and I don’t know how many 
> folks follow that list. It doesn’t seem like an infra question.
> 
> Maybe a branding discussion? Maybe comdev?
> 
> I figured incubator is as good a place as any, and the discussion was 
> triggered from here. Dunno.
> 
> If anyone has a strong preference to move it somewhere else, that’s fine with 
> me.
> 
> Thanks,
> Harbs
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>>> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that 
>>> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more 
>>> adopted by many Apache projects.
>> 
>> Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF 
>> distribution policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed or 
>> clarified.
>> 
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>> Justin
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Harbs]

I was wondering what the best place for this discussion would be. I couldn’t 
really think of a better place than incubator.

I considered starting the discussion on board@ or members@, but I didn’t want 
another private discussion. Not sure about infra and I don’t know how many 
folks follow that list. It doesn’t seem like an infra question.

Maybe a branding discussion? Maybe comdev?

I figured incubator is as good a place as any, and the discussion was triggered 
from here. Dunno.

If anyone has a strong preference to move it somewhere else, that’s fine with 
me.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Mar 28, 2020, at 3:56 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that 
>> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more 
>> adopted by many Apache projects.
> 
> Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF 
> distribution policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed or 
> clarified.
> 
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that 
> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more 
> adopted by many Apache projects.

Probably more a discussion for the board or Infra (as they own ASF distribution 
policy) than the incubator if you want to get policy changed or clarified.

Thanks,
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[John D. Ament]

The problem is that "fork" means two different things, and that some
members seem to be interpreting fork in the sense of a project level fork -
meaning creating a new community out of an existing project.  Whereas the
fork on github is really about raising pull requests Paul is mentioning.

We should have no issue with projects having the "fork me on github"
anywhere since it doesn't mean they're encouraging creating a new project.

also my 0.02.

John

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:27 AM Paul King  wrote:

> I would think it is almost ubiquitous now for developers to know that the
> easiest way for them to create a PR for instance is to fork the project
> (the source code if you like) on Github.
>
> It seems sensible to encourage the use of "Fork me on Github" as it
> substantially lowers the barrier of newcomers to our projects but it would
> seem prudent to ensure that the links are made low key so as not to appear
> like banner ads. Other ways to contribute should be given equal prominence.
>
> Just my 2c.
>
> Cheers, Paul.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:27 PM Harbs  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for the link to the board@ list. I agree with you that it’s a
> > shame the discussion was on a private list.
> >
> > Yes. It seems that the concern of some is that link is an “ad”.
> >
> > It seems to me that the primary purpose for the link is to make
> > contributing easier and the “advertisement” is secondary.
> >
> > I don’t really see the concern for using unreleased code any more than
> > having a link to the Apache repos.
> >
> > The fact is that GitHub has become the defacto place where much of the
> > development is being done on many projects.
> >
> > The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be
> > to remove “GitHub” from the link.
> >
> > I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> > discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> > adopted by many Apache projects.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Harbs
> >
> > > On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Justin Mclean 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity
> > that conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board
> > action item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github”
> ribbon
> > is no longer on the front page of the project in question.
> > >
> > > Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some
> > confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear
> if
> > this is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the
> > front page.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Justin
> > >
> > > 1.
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Paul King]

I would think it is almost ubiquitous now for developers to know that the
easiest way for them to create a PR for instance is to fork the project
(the source code if you like) on Github.

It seems sensible to encourage the use of "Fork me on Github" as it
substantially lowers the barrier of newcomers to our projects but it would
seem prudent to ensure that the links are made low key so as not to appear
like banner ads. Other ways to contribute should be given equal prominence.

Just my 2c.

Cheers, Paul.



On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 7:27 PM Harbs  wrote:

> Thanks for the link to the board@ list. I agree with you that it’s a
> shame the discussion was on a private list.
>
> Yes. It seems that the concern of some is that link is an “ad”.
>
> It seems to me that the primary purpose for the link is to make
> contributing easier and the “advertisement” is secondary.
>
> I don’t really see the concern for using unreleased code any more than
> having a link to the Apache repos.
>
> The fact is that GitHub has become the defacto place where much of the
> development is being done on many projects.
>
> The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be
> to remove “GitHub” from the link.
>
> I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that
> discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more
> adopted by many Apache projects.
>
> Thanks,
> Harbs
>
> > On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity
> that conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board
> action item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github” ribbon
> is no longer on the front page of the project in question.
> >
> > Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some
> confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear if
> this is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the
> front page.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1.
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Harbs]

Thanks for the link to the board@ list. I agree with you that it’s a shame the 
discussion was on a private list.

Yes. It seems that the concern of some is that link is an “ad”.

It seems to me that the primary purpose for the link is to make contributing 
easier and the “advertisement” is secondary.

I don’t really see the concern for using unreleased code any more than having a 
link to the Apache repos.

The fact is that GitHub has become the defacto place where much of the 
development is being done on many projects.

The compromise which seemed acceptable to most in that thread seems to be to 
remove “GitHub” from the link.

I also wonder if opinions might have changed in the 5 years since that 
discussion. In that time, GitHub has only become more ubiquitous and more 
adopted by many Apache projects.

Thanks,
Harbs

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:03 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity that 
> conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board action 
> item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github” ribbon is no 
> longer on the front page of the project in question.
> 
> Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some 
> confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear if 
> this is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the 
> front page.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

If you can, I suggest people read this board@ thread [1]. It a pity that 
conversation didn’t happen in more public space. Also note the board action 
item that resulted from this and that the “Fork me on Github” ribbon is no 
longer on the front page of the project in question.

Also consider the language choice of “Fork me on GitHub” may cause some 
confusion to new user re the ownership of a project and make it unclear if this 
is an ASF project or a GitHub one when displayed prominently on the front page.

Thanks,
Justin

1.https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/1d5f9aaf7919608d80d1cf288092ba406c763f1ada850c5130412b4b%401417896365%40%3Cboard.apache.org%3E
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Re: "Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

In this particular case it could be seen as a) advertising a commercial entity 
on an ASF’s project front page (using their marketing slogan) b) encouraging 
users (who may not understand the consequences) to use unreleased code rather 
than using the officially released downloads.

I think it fine, and I don’t think anyone would have an issues with, links to 
GitHub in other places or when context is given, on a projects "how to 
contribute" or "developer page" would be best place.

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"Fork Me" on GitHub (was Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP)

[Harbs]

This is not the first time “Fork Me” came up, but I don’t think there’s been a 
clear consensus on the topic.

I think it’s an important topic, so I’m starting a new discussion.

It seems to me that the concern with using “Fork Me” is that it’s somehow 
promoting unofficial releases. Please correct me if I’m wrong.

To me, “Fork Me” is not suggesting that users should use unofficial releases, 
but rather “please fork the source code on GitHub, so you can easily 
contribute”.

I think that’s a very different message.

My personal opinion is that “Fork Me” should be allowed anywhere on a project 
site because it can help build add contributions which builds the community.

Thoughts?
Harbs

> On Mar 27, 2020, at 12:31 AM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
>> I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep 
>> it.
> 
> 
> You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project. 
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Hi Craig,

Thanks for the suggestion.

> Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front
page refer to
https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ where
> contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed.

I've already removed the GitHub logo.

> The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork shardingsphere
repo". Maybe "Develop Flow" could be "Developer Flow".

Done.

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Craig Russell  于2020年3月27日周五 上午8:52写道：

> Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page
> refer to
> https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/
> where contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed.
>
> The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork shardingsphere
> repo". Maybe "Develop Flow" could be "Developer Flow".
>
> Craig
>
>
> > On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Tianqi Chen 
> wrote:
> >
> > I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the
> original
> > email context (about the infra request to remove the github link),
> > which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good
> way
> > to exercise the public archival principle.
> >
> > TQ
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:40 PM Justin Mclean 
> > wrote:
> >
> >> HI,
> >>
> >> I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front
> >> page and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this
> >> has changed I’m not sure.
> >>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

I removed the GitHub logo from the website, instead of add a GitHub link in
the nav bar under the "Community" item.

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Tianqi Chen  于2020年3月27日周五 上午10:53写道：

> I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with Craig's
> suggestion summarizes the cases clearly
>
> TQ
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:44 PM Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig
> > suggest. I would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub
> > marketing slogan.
> >
> > There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found
> > discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here.
> > I’ve asked infra to see if they can clarify.
> >
> > This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance
> > search “Fork Me” here:
> > https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Hi


Thanks for everyone’s attention.


I see Justin's concern, and we will consider Craig's suggestion to make some 
modifications. 


Besides, as Tianqi and Sheng said, our initial and simple idea is to use `fork 
me on gitHub` 
to encourage more people to join the community or raise their questions, 
which seems to cause some troubles, so we will change it ASAP.


Best,
Trista
 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/27/2020 10:44，Justin Mclean wrote：
Hi,

It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig suggest. I 
would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub marketing slogan.

There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found  
discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here. I’ve 
asked infra to see if they can clarify.

This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance search 
“Fork Me” here:
https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html

Thanks,
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Tianqi Chen]

I see, thanks for the links. I think the past two posts, along with Craig's
suggestion summarizes the cases clearly

TQ

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 7:44 PM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig
> suggest. I would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub
> marketing slogan.
>
> There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found
> discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here.
> I’ve asked infra to see if they can clarify.
>
> This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance
> search “Fork Me” here:
> https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

It easy enough to move off the home page or change the link as Craig suggest. I 
would also suggest change the words to not be a GitHiub marketing slogan.

There have been discussion on this in the past, but the main ones I found  
discussion is sadly on private lists, so I’m unable to share that here. I’ve 
asked infra to see if they can clarify.

This it is mentioned in a few board reports and comments, for instance search 
“Fork Me” here:
https://whimsy.apache.org/board/minutes/Wicket.html

Thanks,
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Tianqi Chen]

Like in most cases when the argument can go both ways, I think it would be
helpful to summarize all the views and their pros and cons to give a
comprehensive picture.

The current summary of the points are:

Pros:
 -P0: Encourages developers community participation to the project,
exercise community over code.

Concerns(in someone might view)
- C0: it as un-released distribution, which violates the release policy
- C1: Link to github serves as ads to github

Intent
- The shardingsphere community has good intent starting from P0, but not
necessarily shares the same opinion over C0 and C1.


Again I think the intent is important, after aour goal is welcome and
support these projects and help them grow the community in apache way.
While different people or community might have choose to do it different
like being suggested, I personally might even agree with you that the link
should not be in the frontpage

In this case, if there is no strict ruling, I think it would be helpful to
let the project community choose the verdict, while acknowledging that
there might be different opinions in different communities.
Of course the solution Crag suggested seems to work as well :)

TQ


On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 6:25 PM Justin Mclean 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> By adding that you have placed a large prominent ad to commercial entity
> on your home page. You are also using a marketing slogan from GitHub.  Ask
> yourself would you do that with any other commercial entity on your front
> page?
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

By adding that you have placed a large prominent ad to commercial entity on 
your home page. You are also using a marketing slogan from GitHub.  Ask 
yourself would you do that with any other commercial entity on your front page?

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Craig Russell]

Perhaps this could be resolved by having the github logo on the front page 
refer to https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/contribute/contributor/ 
where contributions to the project (developer audience) are discussed. 

The first item on that page under "Develop Flow" is "Fork shardingsphere repo". 
Maybe "Develop Flow" could be "Developer Flow".

Craig


> On Mar 26, 2020, at 5:45 PM, Tianqi Chen  wrote:
> 
> I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the original
> email context (about the infra request to remove the github link),
> which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good way
> to exercise the public archival principle.
> 
> TQ
> 
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:40 PM Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
> 
>> HI,
>> 
>> I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front
>> page and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this
>> has changed I’m not sure.
>> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Tianqi Chen]

I see, in that case, it would be really nice to add a link to the original
email context (about the infra request to remove the github link),
which would help clarified the situation in the first place. And a good way
to exercise the public archival principle.

TQ

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wrote:

> HI,
>
> I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front
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> has changed I’m not sure.
>
> Thanks,
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[Justin Mclean]

HI,

I know that other projects have been asked to remove this from the front page 
and move to a “for developers” page. But perhaps Infra view on this has changed 
I’m not sure.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Tianqi Chen]

Also I want to say that the intent is important when discussing many of
these cases.
In this case hopefully most of us we all agree, the original intention of
the project community is to encourage broader participation of the
community, rather than distributing un-released distribution.

TQ

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:26 PM Tianqi Chen 
wrote:

> It really depends on how do you interpret the github link as a un-released
> distribution. A tarball of un-released source code is of course a
> un-released distribution.  It seems to be a bit broad to classify a github
> link as a un-released distribution :)
>
> In most cases, github is one of the important places where community
> developments(and possible issue answering) happen, and it seems to be OK
> that the project community can choose to welcome their more developers to
> work together, as per Apache way.
>
> Would be interesting ask INFRA about their position on this issue.
>
> TQ
>
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 5:11 PM Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1].  See
>> "must not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development
>> community”, having that on the front page does that IMO.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>> 1. https://infra.apache.org/release-distribution.html#unreleased
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Tianqi Chen]

It really depends on how do you interpret the github link as a un-released
distribution. A tarball of un-released source code is of course a
un-released distribution.  It seems to be a bit broad to classify a github
link as a un-released distribution :)

In most cases, github is one of the important places where community
developments(and possible issue answering) happen, and it seems to be OK
that the project community can choose to welcome their more developers to
work together, as per Apache way.

Would be interesting ask INFRA about their position on this issue.

TQ



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> Hi,
>
> I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1].  See
> "must not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development
> community”, having that on the front page does that IMO.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
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Hi,

I suggest you talk to Infra about this as this is their policy [1].  See "must 
not be advertised to anyone outside of the project development community”, 
having that on the front page does that IMO.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Tianqi Chen]

I can see arguments goes both ways:)

Apache is about community over code, github is certainly a place where the
(an important part of)community goes to, highlighting the link to that
seems to be OK if the project decide to do so.

TQ

On Thu, Mar 26, 2020 at 4:34 PM Sheng Wu  wrote:

> Hi, Justin
>
> I think you misunderstand my point.
>
> In the GitHub project is just saying the project uses GitHub. Just consider
> it as a widely used platform.
> The fork me thing, is just encouraging people to take part in code
> development. Nothing more.
> I don't think people would think this is a way to get official release.
>
> Of course, my personal perspective, only.
>
> Justin Mclean 于2020年3月27日 周五上午6:31写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could
> > keep it.
> >
> >
> > You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sheng Wu]

Hi, Justin

I think you misunderstand my point.

In the GitHub project is just saying the project uses GitHub. Just consider
it as a widely used platform.
The fork me thing, is just encouraging people to take part in code
development. Nothing more.
I don't think people would think this is a way to get official release.

Of course, my personal perspective, only.

Justin Mclean 于2020年3月27日 周五上午6:31写道：

> Hi,
>
> > I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could
> keep it.
>
>
> You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project.
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep 
> it.


You are not a GItHub prohject you are an ASF project. 

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Hi Justin,

Thank you for reminding, I have updated website again. Please check
again[1]. The changes are inline.

> One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps
not have it on the front page?

Yes, you are right. At first sight of users can see “fork me on GitHub”
only, the download link is in the middle of page. So I just recover the
download link back to nav bar. Perhaps duplicate for two download links,
but it can let user find the download links easier.

> The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated.
See [1] for logos.

I have replaced the old style apache logo to a new one.

[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/

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Sheng Wu  于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:30写道：

> Juan Pan  于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:24写道：
>
> > Hi Justin,
> >
> >
> > Thanks for your rapid feedback.
> > > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated.
> > See [1] for logos.
> > We will update the logo ASAP.
> >
> >
> > > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
> > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps
> > not have it on the front page?
> > Yes, since `Release code` is more important for the user,
> > `Download` button is put in the right center of the page to direct users
> > to download page.
> > “fork me on GitHub” link is designed to welcome more people(Especially
> > developers) to join in ShardingSphere community.
> >
>
> I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep
> it.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Trista
> >
> >
> >  Juan Pan (Trista)
> >
> > Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
> > E-mail: panj...@apache.org
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 03/26/2020 21:01，Justin Mclean wrote：
> > Hi,
> >
> > Nicely done and a huge improvement.
> >
> > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
> > unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps
> > not have it on the front page?
> >
> > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated.
> See
> > [1] for logos.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sheng Wu]

Juan Pan  于2020年3月26日周四 下午9:24写道：

> Hi Justin,
>
>
> Thanks for your rapid feedback.
> > The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated.
> See [1] for logos.
> We will update the logo ASAP.
>
>
> > One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
> unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps
> not have it on the front page?
> Yes, since `Release code` is more important for the user,
> `Download` button is put in the right center of the page to direct users
> to download page.
> “fork me on GitHub” link is designed to welcome more people(Especially
> developers) to join in ShardingSphere community.
>

I agree. `Fork me` is popular in the GitHub projects. :) I think could keep
it.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


>
>
> Thanks,
> Trista
>
>
>  Juan Pan (Trista)
>
> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
> E-mail: panj...@apache.org
>
>
>
>
> On 03/26/2020 21:01，Justin Mclean wrote：
> Hi,
>
> Nicely done and a huge improvement.
>
> One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards
> unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps
> not have it on the front page?
>
> The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See
> [1] for logos.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/press/kit/
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
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>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Hi Justin,


Thanks for your rapid feedback. 
> The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See 
> [1] for logos.
We will update the logo ASAP.


> One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards 
> unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not 
> have it on the front page?
Yes, since `Release code` is more important for the user,  
`Download` button is put in the right center of the page to direct users to 
download page.
“fork me on GitHub” link is designed to welcome more people(Especially 
developers) to join in ShardingSphere community.


Thanks,
Trista


 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/26/2020 21:01，Justin Mclean wrote：
Hi,

Nicely done and a huge improvement.

One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards 
unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not 
have it on the front page?

The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See [1] 
for logos.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

Nicely done and a huge improvement.

One minor things the promise “fork me on GitHub” directs people towards 
unreleased code, and I get it aimed at developers not users, but perhaps not 
have it on the front page?

The ASF logo in the footer is the old style one and should be updated. See [1] 
for logos.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Hi everyone,


Taking Justin’s advices, we introduced a major redesign for our website[1] 
to make it prominent in `Apache` feature.
Welcome your visit and comments. :)


[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org


Cheers,
Trista




 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/25/2020 14:43，Juan Pan wrote：
Hi Justin,


Thanks for your feedback.
I know your concern, and also we’d like to make our website prominent in 
`Apache` feature.
So we visited many of the sites of Apache projects and list the todo items to 
promote in ISSUE[1].


Please wait for this website updating. If any progress, I will update here.
Thanks.


[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/4928


Cheers,
Trista


Juan Pan (Trista)

Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/25/2020 12:49，Justin Mclean wrote：
Hi,

Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.

I’ve already shared them on your dev list a while back. These are not really 
quick fix or technical things:

First a minor one and I do see some improvement, and this is subjective, but 
you web site doesn’t immediately make it’s obvious this is an ASF project. Yes 
Apache is mentioned and there’s the feather, but it’s not a prominate as some 
sites. The links to the foundation are hidden at the bottom of the page. 
Second, a number of small issues were pointed out after the the project decided 
to graduate, they where corrected, but that seems to imply that perhaps you 
were not quite as ready as you thought. But your mentors think it time to 
graduate and that good enough for me.

Thanks,
Justin



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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Hi Justin,


Thanks for your feedback.
I know your concern, and also we’d like to make our website prominent in 
`Apache` feature. 
So we visited many of the sites of Apache projects and list the todo items to 
promote in ISSUE[1]. 


Please wait for this website updating. If any progress, I will update here.
Thanks.


[1] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/4928


Cheers,
Trista


 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/25/2020 12:49，Justin Mclean wrote：
Hi,

Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.

I’ve already shared them on your dev list a while back. These are not really 
quick fix or technical things:

First a minor one and I do see some improvement, and this is subjective, but 
you web site doesn’t immediately make it’s obvious this is an ASF project. Yes 
Apache is mentioned and there’s the feather, but it’s not a prominate as some 
sites. The links to the foundation are hidden at the bottom of the page. 
Second, a number of small issues were pointed out after the the project decided 
to graduate, they where corrected, but that seems to imply that perhaps you 
were not quite as ready as you thought. But your mentors think it time to 
graduate and that good enough for me.

Thanks,
Justin



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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Thank you Justin, I get your point.
We will do the website better soon.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Justin Mclean  于2020年3月25日周三 下午12:49写道：

> Hi,
>
> > Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.
>
> I’ve already shared them on your dev list a while back. These are not
> really quick fix or technical things:
>
> First a minor one and I do see some improvement, and this is subjective,
> but you web site doesn’t immediately make it’s obvious this is an ASF
> project. Yes Apache is mentioned and there’s the feather, but it’s not a
> prominate as some sites. The links to the foundation are hidden at the
> bottom of the page. Second, a number of small issues were pointed out after
> the the project decided to graduate, they where corrected, but that seems
> to imply that perhaps you were not quite as ready as you thought. But your
> mentors think it time to graduate and that good enough for me.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
>
>
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>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.

I’ve already shared them on your dev list a while back. These are not really 
quick fix or technical things:

First a minor one and I do see some improvement, and this is subjective, but 
you web site doesn’t immediately make it’s obvious this is an ASF project. Yes 
Apache is mentioned and there’s the feather, but it’s not a prominate as some 
sites. The links to the foundation are hidden at the bottom of the page. 
Second, a number of small issues were pointed out after the the project decided 
to graduate, they where corrected, but that seems to imply that perhaps you 
were not quite as ready as you thought. But your mentors think it time to 
graduate and that good enough for me.

Thanks,
Justin



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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Hi Justin,

> I do has some minor ones but I think the PMC can handle them.

Could you indicate the concerns? We can fix them ASAP.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Justin Mclean  于2020年3月25日周三 上午6:26写道：

> Hi,
>
> > Do you still have any concerns?
>
> I do has some minor ones but I think the PMC can handle them.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
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>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

> Do you still have any concerns?

I do has some minor ones but I think the PMC can handle them.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Hi Sheng,

> Liang Zhang
> Could you update the resolution in the vote thread? Change the thing we
> discussed here.

Thanks for reminding me,  done.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Sheng Wu  于2020年3月24日周二 下午3:14写道：

> Hi Justin and Dave
> Do you still have any concerns? We want to have your confirmation and
> feedback.
>
> Liang Zhang
> Could you update the resolution in the vote thread? Change the thing we
> discussed here.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月24日周二 下午3:11写道：
>
> > If there are no other problems, can we continue voting?
> >
> > The vote thread[1] has kept open for 11 days. How about we finish voting
> > after another extra 72 hours later?
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r84959a94322697b6b21cc003d4abb5a9a5b4e43e8ebeea223a0ccdfb%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> > --
> >
> > Liang Zhang (John)
> > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >
> >
> > zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月23日周一 下午12:25写道：
> >
> > > The description is +1 to me:
> > >
> > > Apache ShardingSphere related to a database clustering system providing
> > > data sharding, distributed transactions, and distributed database
> > > management.
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Liang Zhang (John)
> > > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> > >
> > >
> > > Juan Pan  于2020年3月23日周一 上午11:24写道：
> > >
> > >> Hi Sally,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for your suggestions, which helps move this DISCUSSION forward
> > >> much. :)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Welcome any suggestion from the community to help Sharding Sphere
> > >> graduate smoothly.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Cheers,
> > >> Trista
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Juan Pan (Trista)
> > >>
> > >> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
> > >> E-mail: panj...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On 03/22/2020 16:44，Sally Khudairi wrote：
> > >> Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Sally
> > >>
> > >> - - -
> > >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> > >> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> > >> The Apache Software Foundation
> > >>
> > >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> > >> I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for
> > >> organizations' link.
> > >>
> > >> I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Liang Zhang (John)
> > >> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日
> 上午11:29写道：
> > >> Hi Sally,
> > >>
> > >> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the
> page
> > >> soon.
> > >>
> > >> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >>
> > >> Liang Zhang (John)
> > >> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
> > >> __
> > >> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your
> page
> > >> are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
> > >>
> > >> That's important.
> > >>
> > >> Many thanks,
> > >> Sally
> > >>
> > >> - - -
> > >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> > >> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> > >> The Apache Software Foundation
> > >>
> > >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> > >> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed
> > >> response.
> > >>
> > >> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done
> > >> with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
> > >>
> > >> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache"
> > >> badge for your community --we've created one for you at
> > >> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
> > >>
> > >> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his
> > >> input.
> > >>
> > >> Many kind regards,
> > >> Sally
> > >>
> > >> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
> > >> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
> > >> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
> > >>
> > >> - - -
> > >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> > >> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> > >> The Apache Software Foundation
> > >>
> > >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> > >> Hi Sally,
> > >>
> > >> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator)
> > project.
> > >>
> > >> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies
> and
> > >> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
> > >>
> > >> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which
> registered
> > >> by users themselves, the logos in user wall 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sheng Wu]

Hi Justin and Dave
Do you still have any concerns? We want to have your confirmation and
feedback.

Liang Zhang
Could you update the resolution in the vote thread? Change the thing we
discussed here.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月24日周二 下午3:11写道：

> If there are no other problems, can we continue voting?
>
> The vote thread[1] has kept open for 11 days. How about we finish voting
> after another extra 72 hours later?
>
> [1]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r84959a94322697b6b21cc003d4abb5a9a5b4e43e8ebeea223a0ccdfb%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月23日周一 下午12:25写道：
>
> > The description is +1 to me:
> >
> > Apache ShardingSphere related to a database clustering system providing
> > data sharding, distributed transactions, and distributed database
> > management.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Liang Zhang (John)
> > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >
> >
> > Juan Pan  于2020年3月23日周一 上午11:24写道：
> >
> >> Hi Sally,
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks for your suggestions, which helps move this DISCUSSION forward
> >> much. :)
> >>
> >>
> >> Welcome any suggestion from the community to help Sharding Sphere
> >> graduate smoothly.
> >>
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >> Trista
> >>
> >>
> >>  Juan Pan (Trista)
> >>
> >> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
> >> E-mail: panj...@apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 03/22/2020 16:44，Sally Khudairi wrote：
> >> Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Sally
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> >> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> >> The Apache Software Foundation
> >>
> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> >> I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for
> >> organizations' link.
> >>
> >> I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].
> >>
> >> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Liang Zhang (John)
> >> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >>
> >>
> >> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日 上午11:29写道：
> >> Hi Sally,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page
> >> soon.
> >>
> >> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Liang Zhang (John)
> >> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >>
> >>
> >> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
> >> __
> >> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page
> >> are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
> >>
> >> That's important.
> >>
> >> Many thanks,
> >> Sally
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> >> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> >> The Apache Software Foundation
> >>
> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> >> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed
> >> response.
> >>
> >> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done
> >> with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
> >>
> >> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache"
> >> badge for your community --we've created one for you at
> >> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
> >>
> >> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his
> >> input.
> >>
> >> Many kind regards,
> >> Sally
> >>
> >> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
> >> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
> >> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
> >>
> >> - - -
> >> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> >> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> >> The Apache Software Foundation
> >>
> >> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> >> Hi Sally,
> >>
> >> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator)
> project.
> >>
> >> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and
> >> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
> >>
> >> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered
> >> by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from
> >> their official website.
> >>
> >> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding
> >> issue.
> >>
> >> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you
> >> very much.
> >>
> >> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
> >>
> >> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
> >>
> >> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Liang Zhang (John)
> >> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >>
> >>
> >> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
> >> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

If there are no other problems, can we continue voting?

The vote thread[1] has kept open for 11 days. How about we finish voting
after another extra 72 hours later?

[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/r84959a94322697b6b21cc003d4abb5a9a5b4e43e8ebeea223a0ccdfb%40%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月23日周一 下午12:25写道：

> The description is +1 to me:
>
> Apache ShardingSphere related to a database clustering system providing
> data sharding, distributed transactions, and distributed database
> management.
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> Juan Pan  于2020年3月23日周一 上午11:24写道：
>
>> Hi Sally,
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your suggestions, which helps move this DISCUSSION forward
>> much. :)
>>
>>
>> Welcome any suggestion from the community to help Sharding Sphere
>> graduate smoothly.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Trista
>>
>>
>>  Juan Pan (Trista)
>>
>> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
>> E-mail: panj...@apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 03/22/2020 16:44，Sally Khudairi wrote：
>> Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!
>>
>> Best,
>> Sally
>>
>> - - -
>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
>> I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for
>> organizations' link.
>>
>> I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].
>>
>> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/
>>
>> --
>>
>> Liang Zhang (John)
>> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>>
>>
>> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日 上午11:29写道：
>> Hi Sally,
>>
>> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page
>> soon.
>>
>> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Liang Zhang (John)
>> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>>
>>
>> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
>> __
>> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page
>> are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
>>
>> That's important.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Sally
>>
>> - - -
>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
>> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed
>> response.
>>
>> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done
>> with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
>>
>> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache"
>> badge for your community --we've created one for you at
>> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
>>
>> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his
>> input.
>>
>> Many kind regards,
>> Sally
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
>> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
>> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
>>
>> - - -
>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
>> Hi Sally,
>>
>> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project.
>>
>> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and
>> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
>>
>> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered
>> by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from
>> their official website.
>>
>> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding
>> issue.
>>
>> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you
>> very much.
>>
>> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
>>
>> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
>>
>> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>>
>> --
>>
>> Liang Zhang (John)
>> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>>
>>
>> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
>> Hi -
>>
>> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at
>> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a
>> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship.
>> Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak
>> to branding about this and see what they say.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Justin
>>
>> 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>>
>>
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

The description is +1 to me:

Apache ShardingSphere related to a database clustering system providing
data sharding, distributed transactions, and distributed database
management.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Juan Pan  于2020年3月23日周一 上午11:24写道：

> Hi Sally,
>
>
> Thanks for your suggestions, which helps move this DISCUSSION forward
> much. :)
>
>
> Welcome any suggestion from the community to help Sharding Sphere graduate
> smoothly.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Trista
>
>
>  Juan Pan (Trista)
>
> Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
> E-mail: panj...@apache.org
>
>
>
>
> On 03/22/2020 16:44，Sally Khudairi wrote：
> Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!
>
> Best,
> Sally
>
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> The Apache Software Foundation
>
> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for
> organizations' link.
>
> I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].
>
> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日 上午11:29写道：
> Hi Sally,
>
> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page
> soon.
>
> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
> __
> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page
> are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
>
> That's important.
>
> Many thanks,
> Sally
>
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> The Apache Software Foundation
>
> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed
> response.
>
> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done
> with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
>
> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache"
> badge for your community --we've created one for you at
> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
>
> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his
> input.
>
> Many kind regards,
> Sally
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
>
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> The Apache Software Foundation
>
> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> Hi Sally,
>
> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project.
>
> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and
> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
>
> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered
> by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from
> their official website.
>
> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding
> issue.
>
> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you very
> much.
>
> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
>
> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
>
> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
> Hi -
>
> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at
> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a
> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship.
> Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak
> to branding about this and see what they say.
>
> Thanks,
> Justin
>
> 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Hi Sally,


Thanks for your suggestions, which helps move this DISCUSSION forward much. :)


Welcome any suggestion from the community to help Sharding Sphere graduate 
smoothly.


Cheers,
Trista


 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/22/2020 16:44，Sally Khudairi wrote：
Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!

Best,
Sally

- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation

Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for 
organizations' link.

I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].

[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日 上午11:29写道：
Hi Sally,

Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page soon.

The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
__
One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page are 
going to be rel="nofollow", yes?

That's important.

Many thanks,
Sally

- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation

Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed response.

To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done with 
other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.

You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache" badge 
for your community --we've created one for you at 
http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/

I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his input.

Many kind regards,
Sally

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
[2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
[3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by

- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation

Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
Hi Sally,

We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project.

There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and 
organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).

The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered by 
users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from their 
official website.

We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding issue.

Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you very much.

[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/

[2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234

[3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
Hi -

I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at press@ 
or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a compliant version 
of what you are trying to do.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:

Hi,

I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. Sponsors pay 
a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak to branding about 
this and see what they say.

Thanks,
Justin

1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking


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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sheng Wu]

For me, yes.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


Craig Russell  于2020年3月23日周一 上午10:35写道：

> Apache ShardingSphere ... related to a database clustering system
> providing data sharding, distributed transactions, and distributed database
> management.
>
> General enough, but specific enough?
>
> Craig
>
> > On Mar 22, 2020, at 5:43 PM, Sheng Wu  wrote:
> >
> > zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月18日周三 下午1:11写道：
> >
> >> Roger.
> >>
> >> How about use project description below to the board?
> >>
> >> Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
> >> sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.
> >>
> >
> > Hi Liang, Juan and Craig
> >
> > This is my idea.
> > Apache ShardingSphere is a database clustering system providing data
> > sharding, distributed transaction, and data(or Database?) management.
> >
> > My points are
> > 1. The world `middleware` is not clear as ShardingSphere as it provides
> > both embedded lib and proxy mode.
> > 2. distributed governance and orchestration are not clear too. Due to we
> > are going to accept more features, such as scaling out(right?), data
> > management makes more sense to me.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Liang Zhang (John)
> >> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >>
> >>
> >> Craig Russell  于2020年3月18日周三 上午6:16写道：
> >>
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project.
> >> How
> >>> about
> >>>
> >>> ... related to database middleware providing data sharding,
> heterogeneous
> >>> database support, and distributed transactions for Java application
> >>> development.
> >>>
> >>> Other functionality descriptions can be added but maybe we can start
> >>> editing this?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Craig
> >>>
>  On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:14 AM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> 
>  WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of
>  the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> >> establish
>  a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> >> maintenance
>  of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>  related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
>  distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
>  products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
>  data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
>  applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
>  heterogeneous language..
> >>>
> >>> Craig L Russell
> >>> c...@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>
> Craig L Russell
> c...@apache.org
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sheng Wu]

zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月18日周三 下午1:11写道：

> Roger.
>
> How about use project description below to the board?
>
> Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
> sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.
>

Hi Liang, Juan and Craig

This is my idea.
Apache ShardingSphere is a database clustering system providing data
sharding, distributed transaction, and data(or Database?) management.

My points are
1. The world `middleware` is not clear as ShardingSphere as it provides
both embedded lib and proxy mode.
2. distributed governance and orchestration are not clear too. Due to we
are going to accept more features, such as scaling out(right?), data
management makes more sense to me.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> Craig Russell  于2020年3月18日周三 上午6:16写道：
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project.
> How
> > about
> >
> > ... related to database middleware providing data sharding, heterogeneous
> > database support, and distributed transactions for Java application
> > development.
> >
> > Other functionality descriptions can be added but maybe we can start
> > editing this?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Craig
> >
> > > On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:14 AM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> > > distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> > > products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> > > data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > > heterogeneous language..
> >
> > Craig L Russell
> > c...@apache.org
> >
> >
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Tianqi Chen]

Looks like the branding issue has been resolve. Good job in building an
active community,
+1

TQ

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 1:44 AM Sally Khudairi  wrote:

> Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response!
>
> Best,
> Sally
>
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> The Apache Software Foundation
>
> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> > I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for
> organizations' link.
> >
> > I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].
> >
> > [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/
> >
> > --
> >
> > Liang Zhang (John)
> > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >
> >
> > zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日 上午11:29写道：
> >> Hi Sally,
> >>
> >> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page
> soon.
> >>
> >> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
> >>
> >> --
> >>
> >> Liang Zhang (John)
> >> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >>
> >>
> >> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
> >>> __
> >>> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your
> page are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
> >>>
> >>> That's important.
> >>>
> >>> Many thanks,
> >>> Sally
> >>>
> >>> - - -
> >>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> >>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> >>> The Apache Software Foundation
> >>>
> >>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
>  Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the
> delayed response.
> 
>  To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being
> done with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
> 
>  You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by
> Apache" badge for your community --we've created one for you at
> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
> 
>  I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his
> input.
> 
>  Many kind regards,
>  Sally
> 
>  [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
>  [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
>  [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
> 
>  - - -
>  Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>  Vice President Sponsor Relations
>  The Apache Software Foundation
> 
>  Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> 
> 
>  On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> > Hi Sally,
> >
> > We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator)
> project.
> >
> > There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies
> and organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
> >
> > The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which
> registered by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are
> collected from their official website.
> >
> > We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause
> branding issue.
> >
> > Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank
> you very much.
> >
> > [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
> >
> > [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
> >
> > [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> >
> > --
> >
> > Liang Zhang (John)
> > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >
> >
> > Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
> >> Hi -
> >>
> >> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either
> Sally at press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create
> a compliant version of what you are trying to do.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean <
> jus...@classsoftware.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to
> sponsorship. Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be
> best to speak to branding about this and see what they say.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks,
> >> > Justin
> >> >
> >> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sally Khudairi]

Thank you, Liang. I appreciate your rapid response! 

Best, 
Sally

- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation

Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org


On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, at 04:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for 
> organizations' link.
> 
> I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].
> 
> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/
> 
> --
> 
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> 
> 
> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日 上午11:29写道：
>> Hi Sally,
>> 
>> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page soon.
>> 
>> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Liang Zhang (John)
>> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>> 
>> 
>> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
>>> __
>>> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page 
>>> are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
>>> 
>>> That's important.
>>> 
>>> Many thanks,
>>> Sally
>>> 
>>> - - -
>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>> 
>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
 Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed 
 response.
 
 To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done 
 with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
 
 You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache" 
 badge for your community --we've created one for you at 
 http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
 
 I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his 
 input.
 
 Many kind regards,
 Sally
 
 [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
 [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
 [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
 
 - - -
 Vice President Marketing & Publicity
 Vice President Sponsor Relations
 The Apache Software Foundation
 
 Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
 
 
 On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> Hi Sally,
> 
> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project. 
> 
> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and 
> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
> 
> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered 
> by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from 
> their official website.
> 
> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding 
> issue.
> 
> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you 
> very much.
> 
> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
> 
> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
> 
> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> 
> --
> 
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> 
> 
> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
>> Hi -
>> 
>> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at 
>> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a 
>> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. 
>> > Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to 
>> > speak to branding about this and see what they say.
>> > 
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> > 
>> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>> 
 
>>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

I just added to powered by logo in this page and ref="nofollow" for
organizations' link.

I changed back the url from users to powered-by[1].

[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/powered-by/

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月22日周日 上午11:29写道：

> Hi Sally,
>
> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page
> soon.
>
> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
>
>> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page
>> are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
>>
>> That's important.
>>
>> Many thanks,
>> Sally
>>
>> - - -
>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
>>
>> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed
>> response.
>>
>> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done
>> with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
>>
>> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache"
>> badge for your community --we've created one for you at
>> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
>>
>> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his
>> input.
>>
>> Many kind regards,
>> Sally
>>
>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
>> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
>> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
>>
>> - - -
>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>
>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
>>
>> Hi Sally,
>>
>> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project.
>>
>> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and
>> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
>>
>> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered
>> by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from
>> their official website.
>>
>> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding
>> issue.
>>
>> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you
>> very much.
>>
>> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
>>
>> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
>>
>> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>>
>> --
>>
>> Liang Zhang (John)
>> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>>
>>
>> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
>>
>> Hi -
>>
>> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at
>> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a
>> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship.
>> Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak
>> to branding about this and see what they say.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> >
>> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>> >
>> >
>> > -
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>> >
>>
>>
>> -
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>>
>>
>>
>>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sally Khudairi]

Thanks so much, Liang. 

Let's also keep an eye out for any messages from Mark in case there needs to be 
any adjustments. 

Best, 
Sally

- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation

Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 23:29, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> Hi Sally,
> 
> Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page soon.
> 
> The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.
> 
> --
> 
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> 
> 
> Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：
>> __
>> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page are 
>> going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
>> 
>> That's important.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> Sally
>> 
>> - - -
>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>> The Apache Software Foundation
>> 
>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
>>> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed 
>>> response.
>>> 
>>> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done with 
>>> other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
>>> 
>>> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache" 
>>> badge for your community --we've created one for you at 
>>> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
>>> 
>>> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his input.
>>> 
>>> Many kind regards,
>>> Sally
>>> 
>>> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
>>> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
>>> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
>>> 
>>> - - -
>>> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
>>> Vice President Sponsor Relations
>>> The Apache Software Foundation
>>> 
>>> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
 Hi Sally,
 
 We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project. 
 
 There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and 
 organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
 
 The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered 
 by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from 
 their official website.
 
 We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding 
 issue.
 
 Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you very 
 much.
 
 [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
 
 [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
 
 [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
 
 --
 
 Liang Zhang (John)
 Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
 
 
 Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
> Hi -
> 
> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at 
> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a 
> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean  
> > wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. 
> > Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to 
> > speak to branding about this and see what they say.
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> > 
> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> > 
> > 
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> > 
> 
> 
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> 
>>> 
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Hi Sally,

Thanks for the confirmation. I will add the powered by logo in the page
soon.

The organizations are not using rel="nofollow", I will fix it ASAP.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Sally Khudairi  于2020年3月22日周日 上午6:36写道：

> One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page
> are going to be rel="nofollow", yes?
>
> That's important.
>
> Many thanks,
> Sally
>
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> The Apache Software Foundation
>
> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
>
> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed
> response.
>
> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done
> with other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
>
> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache"
> badge for your community --we've created one for you at
> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
>
> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his
> input.
>
> Many kind regards,
> Sally
>
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
>
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> The Apache Software Foundation
>
> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
>
>
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
>
> Hi Sally,
>
> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project.
>
> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and
> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
>
> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered
> by users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from
> their official website.
>
> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding
> issue.
>
> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you very
> much.
>
> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
>
> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
>
> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>
>
> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
>
> Hi -
>
> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at
> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a
> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship.
> Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak
> to branding about this and see what they say.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> >
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> >
>
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>
>
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sally Khudairi]

One more thing --to confirm, the links to the organizations on your page are 
going to be rel="nofollow", yes?

That's important.

Many thanks,
Sally

- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation

Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org


On Sat, Mar 21, 2020, at 16:32, Sally Khudairi wrote:
> Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed 
> response.
> 
> To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done with 
> other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.
> 
> You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache" badge 
> for your community --we've created one for you at 
> http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/
> 
> I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his input.
> 
> Many kind regards,
> Sally
> 
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
> [2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
> [3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by
> 
> - - -
> Vice President Marketing & Publicity
> Vice President Sponsor Relations
> The Apache Software Foundation
> 
> Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org
> 
> 
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
>> Hi Sally,
>> 
>> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project. 
>> 
>> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and 
>> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
>> 
>> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered by 
>> users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from their 
>> official website.
>> 
>> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding 
>> issue.
>> 
>> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you very 
>> much.
>> 
>> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
>> 
>> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
>> 
>> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>> 
>> --
>> 
>> Liang Zhang (John)
>> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>> 
>> 
>> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
>>> Hi -
>>> 
>>> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at 
>>> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a 
>>> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean  
>>> > wrote:
>>> > 
>>> > Hi,
>>> > 
>>> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. 
>>> > Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak 
>>> > to branding about this and see what they say.
>>> > 
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > Justin
>>> > 
>>> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>>> > 
>>> > 
>>> > -
>>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>>> > 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -
>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>>> 
> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sally Khudairi]

Hello Liang --thank you for your message. My apologies for the delayed response.

To me what is proposed seems acceptable, similar to what is being done with 
other Apache projects [1] [2] [3] and many others.

You may also wish to consider promoting use of the "Powered by Apache" badge 
for your community --we've created one for you at 
http://apache.org/foundation/press/kit/poweredBy/

I'm also copying Mark Thomas, VP Brand Management/Trademarks, for his input.

Many kind regards,
Sally

[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/HADOOP2/PoweredBy
[2] https://spark.apache.org/powered-by.html
[3] https://kafka.apache.org/powered-by

- - -
Vice President Marketing & Publicity
Vice President Sponsor Relations
The Apache Software Foundation

Tel +1 617 921 8656 | s...@apache.org


On Thu, Mar 19, 2020, at 01:15, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> Hi Sally,
> 
> We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project. 
> 
> There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and 
> organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).
> 
> The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered by 
> users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from their 
> official website.
> 
> We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding issue.
> 
> Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you very 
> much.
> 
> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/
> 
> [2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234
> 
> [3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> 
> --
> 
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> 
> 
> Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：
>> Hi -
>> 
>> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at 
>> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a compliant 
>> version of what you are trying to do.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean  
>> > wrote:
>> > 
>> > Hi,
>> > 
>> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. 
>> > Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak 
>> > to branding about this and see what they say.
>> > 
>> > Thanks,
>> > Justin
>> > 
>> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
>> > 
>> > 
>> > -
>> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>> > 
>> 
>> 
>> -
>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>> 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Hi Sally,

We are talking about graduation Apache ShardingSphere(incubator) project.

There is a problem with users page[1]. This page lists all companies and
organizations who using Apache ShardingSphere(incubator).

The source of user list are coming from Github issue[2] which registered by
users themselves, the logos in user wall picture are collected from their
official website.

We read this[3], it may cross over to sponsorship or may cause branding
issue.

Can the project keep this page? Could you give some advice? Thank you very
much.

[1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/

[2] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/issues/234

[3] https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Dave Fisher  于2020年3月19日周四 上午10:22写道：

> Hi -
>
> I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at
> press@ or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a
> compliant version of what you are trying to do.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship.
> Sponsors pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak
> to branding about this and see what they say.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Justin
> >
> > 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> >
> >
> > -
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
> >
>
>
> -
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org
> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Thanks your suggestions, and we will do as you said.


Cheers,
Trista


 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/19/2020 10:22，Dave Fisher wrote：
Hi -

I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at press@ 
or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a compliant version 
of what you are trying to do.

Regards,
Dave

Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:

Hi,

I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. Sponsors pay 
a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak to branding about 
this and see what they say.

Thanks,
Justin

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Dave Fisher]

Hi -

I do think that the “user” page should be discussed with either Sally at press@ 
or Mark at trademarks@. They will know best how to create a compliant version 
of what you are trying to do.

Regards,
Dave

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> On Mar 18, 2020, at 6:29 PM, Justin Mclean  wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. Sponsors 
> pay a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak to branding 
> about this and see what they say.
> 
> Thanks,
> Justin
> 
> 1. https://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/linking
> 
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I would carefully read this [1]. It may cross over to sponsorship. Sponsors pay 
a lot of money to be listed as such. It may be best to speak to branding about 
this and see what they say.

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Hi Justin,


I know your concerns, and also, thanks for your feedback.
This page is simply to present who is using ShardingSphere. 
If it gets you worried, we will remove it later.
BTW, could you provide some relative links to help us learn more about brand 
policy and what you mainly concerned about?


Best wishes,
Trista


 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/18/2020 10:53，Justin Mclean wrote：
Hi,

I know some changes were made but I still have some concerns about this page 
[1] and how it complies with our banding policy. and those link should probably 
be nofollow links.

Justin

1. https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/ 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Hi Craig,


As John mentioned, `distributed governance` is the `orchestration` module of 
ShardingSphere, 
which helps user refresh configuration online, disable application or restrict 
access to databases.
If it is an issue, I suggest to rephrase it as `Orchestration`. What's your 
idea?


Cheers,
Trista


 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/18/2020 13:37，Craig Russell wrote：
Hi John,

Can you give me a link to an article explaining distributed governance? I'm not 
familiar with what it is and how ShardingSphere supports/implements it.

Thanks,
Craig

On Mar 17, 2020, at 10:10 PM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:

Roger.

How about use project description below to the board?

Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Craig Russell  于2020年3月18日周三 上午6:16写道：

Hi,

In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project. How
about

... related to database middleware providing data sharding, heterogeneous
database support, and distributed transactions for Java application
development.

Other functionality descriptions can be added but maybe we can start
editing this?

Regards,
Craig

On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:14 AM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
heterogeneous language..

Craig L Russell
c...@apache.org



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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Hi Craig,

Please have a look[1]

[1]
https://shardingsphere.apache.org/document/current/en/features/orchestration/

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Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Craig Russell  于2020年3月18日周三 下午1:37写道：

> Hi John,
>
> Can you give me a link to an article explaining distributed governance?
> I'm not familiar with what it is and how ShardingSphere supports/implements
> it.
>
> Thanks,
> Craig
>
> > On Mar 17, 2020, at 10:10 PM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> >
> > Roger.
> >
> > How about use project description below to the board?
> >
> > Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
> > sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Liang Zhang (John)
> > Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> >
> >
> > Craig Russell  于2020年3月18日周三 上午6:16写道：
> >
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project.
> How
> >> about
> >>
> >> ... related to database middleware providing data sharding,
> heterogeneous
> >> database support, and distributed transactions for Java application
> >> development.
> >>
> >> Other functionality descriptions can be added but maybe we can start
> >> editing this?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Craig
> >>
> >>> On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:14 AM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> >>>
> >>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> >>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> >>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> >>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> >>> related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> >>> distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> >>> products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> >>> data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> >>> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> >>> heterogeneous language..
> >>
> >> Craig L Russell
> >> c...@apache.org
> >>
> >>
>
> Craig L Russell
> c...@apache.org
>
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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Craig Russell]

Hi John,

Can you give me a link to an article explaining distributed governance? I'm not 
familiar with what it is and how ShardingSphere supports/implements it.

Thanks,
Craig

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 10:10 PM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> Roger.
> 
> How about use project description below to the board?
> 
> Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
> sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.
> 
> --
> 
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
> 
> 
> Craig Russell  于2020年3月18日周三 上午6:16写道：
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project. How
>> about
>> 
>> ... related to database middleware providing data sharding, heterogeneous
>> database support, and distributed transactions for Java application
>> development.
>> 
>> Other functionality descriptions can be added but maybe we can start
>> editing this?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Craig
>> 
>>> On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:14 AM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
>>> 
>>> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
>>> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
>>> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
>>> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
>>> related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
>>> distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
>>> products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
>>> data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
>>> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
>>> heterogeneous language..
>> 
>> Craig L Russell
>> c...@apache.org
>> 
>> 

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Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

> I know some changes were made but I still have some concerns about this
page [1] and how it complies with our banding policy. and those link should
probably be nofollow links.

> [1] https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/

Thank you for reminding.
I have no idea about this issue. Any suggestion?

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Justin Mclean  于2020年3月18日周三 上午10:53写道：

> Hi,
>
> I know some changes were made but I still have some concerns about this
> page [1] and how it complies with our banding policy. and those link should
> probably be nofollow links.
>
> Justin
>
> 1. https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/ <
> https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

Roger.

How about use project description below to the board?

Apache ShardingSphere is related to database middleware providing data
sharding, distributed transactions and distributed governance.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Craig Russell  于2020年3月18日周三 上午6:16写道：

> Hi,
>
> In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project. How
> about
>
> ... related to database middleware providing data sharding, heterogeneous
> database support, and distributed transactions for Java application
> development.
>
> Other functionality descriptions can be added but maybe we can start
> editing this?
>
> Regards,
> Craig
>
> > On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:14 AM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> > distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> > products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> > data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > heterogeneous language..
>
> Craig L Russell
> c...@apache.org
>
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Justin Mclean]

Hi,

I know some changes were made but I still have some concerns about this page 
[1] and how it complies with our banding policy. and those link should probably 
be nofollow links.

Justin

1. https://shardingsphere.apache.org/community/en/users/ 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Craig Russell]

Hi,

In my opinion, this is way too wordy for a description of the project. How about

... related to database middleware providing data sharding, heterogeneous 
database support, and distributed transactions for Java application development.

Other functionality descriptions can be added but maybe we can start editing 
this?

Regards,
Craig

> On Mar 9, 2020, at 7:14 AM, zhangli...@apache.org wrote:
> 
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language..

Craig L Russell
c...@apache.org

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Willem Jiang]

It good to see ShardingSphere is ready to graduate.
My +1 for this proposal.


Willem Jiang

Twitter: willemjiang
Weibo: 姜宁willem

On Mon, Mar 9, 2020 at 10:14 PM zhangli...@apache.org
 wrote:
>
> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
> vote result[2].
>
> We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.
>
> Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you think.
>
> A few status to help with the discussion:
>
> - There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list excepted
> GitBox forwarded;
> - 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved during
> ASF incubating;
> - 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
> incubating;
> - There are 89 contributors for now;
> - There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache release
> policy by 3 release managers;
> - There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
> community.
>
> We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
> ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.
>
> We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
> document, website and DockerHub image.
>
> [1]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [2]
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md
>
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language..
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and hereby
> is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of distributed
> database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
> Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
> sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language.; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache ShardingSphere
> Project:
>
>  * Craig L Russell   
>  * Hao Cao   
>  * Hongjun Du
>  * Hongtao Gao   
>  * Juan Pan  
>  * Jun Zhao  
>  * Liang Zhang   
>  * QingYang Chen 
>  * Sheng Wu  
>  * Von Gosling   
>  * Willem Ning Jiang 
>  * Xiaoguang Ma  
>  * Yang Yi   
>  * Yonglun Zhang 
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Liang Zhang be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere, to serve in
> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is tasked
> with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
> hereafter discharged.
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo

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Re:[DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Juan Pan]

Carry over my vote +1 from dev list.
It is a wonderful  journey, hope its community more diverse and active in the 
future.


 Juan Pan (Trista)
 
Senior DBA & PPMC of Apache ShardingSphere(Incubating)
E-mail: panj...@apache.org




On 03/9/2020 22:14，zhangli...@apache.org wrote：
Hi!

After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
vote result[2].

We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.

Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you think.

A few status to help with the discussion:

- There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list excepted
GitBox forwarded;
- 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved during
ASF incubating;
- 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
incubating;
- There are 89 contributors for now;
- There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache release
policy by 3 release managers;
- There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
community.

We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.

We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
document, website and DockerHub image.

[1]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
[2]
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
[3] https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md




Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project

WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
heterogeneous language..

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
(PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and hereby
is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of distributed
database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
heterogeneous language.; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere" be
and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further

RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache ShardingSphere
Project:

* Craig L Russell   
* Hao Cao   
* Hongjun Du
* Hongtao Gao   
* Juan Pan  
* Jun Zhao  
* Liang Zhang   
* QingYang Chen 
* Sheng Wu  
* Von Gosling   
* Willem Ning Jiang 
* Xiaoguang Ma  
* Yang Yi   
* Yonglun Zhang 

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Liang Zhang be appointed to
the office of Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere, to serve in
accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
it further

RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is tasked
with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
ShardingSphere podling; and be it further

RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
ShardingSphere podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
hereafter discharged.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Hongtao Gao]

As a veteran of ShardingShpere, Glad to see this important milestone of us,
Everyone cheers up!

Thanks, Hongtao.

zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：

> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
> vote result[2].
>
> We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.
>
> Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you think.
>
> A few status to help with the discussion:
>
> - There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list excepted
> GitBox forwarded;
> - 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved during
> ASF incubating;
> - 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
> incubating;
> - There are 89 contributors for now;
> - There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache release
> policy by 3 release managers;
> - There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
> community.
>
> We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
> ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.
>
> We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
> document, website and DockerHub image.
>
> [1]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [2]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [3]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md
>
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language..
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and hereby
> is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of distributed
> database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
> Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
> sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language.; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache ShardingSphere
> Project:
>
>  * Craig L Russell   
>  * Hao Cao   
>  * Hongjun Du
>  * Hongtao Gao   
>  * Juan Pan  
>  * Jun Zhao  
>  * Liang Zhang   
>  * QingYang Chen 
>  * Sheng Wu  
>  * Von Gosling   
>  * Willem Ning Jiang 
>  * Xiaoguang Ma  
>  * Yang Yi   
>  * Yonglun Zhang 
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Liang Zhang be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere, to serve in
> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is tasked
> with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
> hereafter discharged.
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>


-- 
Hongtao Gao

Apache SkyWalking && Apache ShardingSphere
Twitter, @hanahmily

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Ming Wen]

Hi, ShardingSphere community,
really great job in the incubator journey, the community grown fast.
+1 (non-binding)  and good luck.

Thanks,
Ming Wen, Apache APISIX
Twitter: _WenMing


zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：

> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
> vote result[2].
>
> We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.
>
> Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you think.
>
> A few status to help with the discussion:
>
> - There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list excepted
> GitBox forwarded;
> - 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved during
> ASF incubating;
> - 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
> incubating;
> - There are 89 contributors for now;
> - There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache release
> policy by 3 release managers;
> - There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
> community.
>
> We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
> ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.
>
> We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
> document, website and DockerHub image.
>
> [1]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [2]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [3]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md
>
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language..
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and hereby
> is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of distributed
> database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
> Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
> sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language.; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache ShardingSphere
> Project:
>
>  * Craig L Russell   
>  * Hao Cao   
>  * Hongjun Du
>  * Hongtao Gao   
>  * Juan Pan  
>  * Jun Zhao  
>  * Liang Zhang   
>  * QingYang Chen 
>  * Sheng Wu  
>  * Von Gosling   
>  * Willem Ning Jiang 
>  * Xiaoguang Ma  
>  * Yang Yi   
>  * Yonglun Zhang 
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Liang Zhang be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere, to serve in
> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is tasked
> with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
> hereafter discharged.
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[zhangli...@apache.org]

> For the mailing above link[3] seems broken: there is no "dev" branch.

Sorry for that, I just copy from the previous discussion email. During the
discussion,the community just switch the dev branch to master.

Thank you Sheng to update the url.

--

Liang Zhang (John)
Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo


Sheng Wu  于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:56写道：

> The link[3] should be updated to
>
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/e50fc90a7de3d2c25f833aed28eeda8cae79545a/MATURITY.md
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> tison  于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:49写道：
>
> > Hi John,
> >
> > Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
> >
> > For the mailing above link[3] seems broken: there is no "dev" branch.
> >
> > Best,
> > tison.
> >
> >
> > Sheng Wu  于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:42写道：
> >
> > > Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
> > > Being there and watching the community grown.
> > >
> > > Carry my +1 binding from the dev ml.
> > >
> > > Good luck.
> > >
> > > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > > Twitter, wusheng1108
> > >
> > >
> > > zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：
> > >
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally
> > positive
> > > > vote result[2].
> > > >
> > > > We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.
> > > >
> > > > Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you
> > > think.
> > > >
> > > > A few status to help with the discussion:
> > > >
> > > > - There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list
> excepted
> > > > GitBox forwarded;
> > > > - 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved
> > during
> > > > ASF incubating;
> > > > - 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
> > > > incubating;
> > > > - There are 89 contributors for now;
> > > > - There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache
> > release
> > > > policy by 3 release managers;
> > > > - There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
> > > > community.
> > > >
> > > > We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
> > > > ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.
> > > >
> > > > We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
> > > > document, website and DockerHub image.
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> > > > [2]
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> > > > [3]
> > > >
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > >
> > > > Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project
> > > >
> > > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests
> of
> > > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> > establish
> > > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> > maintenance
> > > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > > related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set
> of
> > > > distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> > > > products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions
> of
> > > > data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > > > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > > > heterogeneous language..
> > > >
> > > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and
> > hereby
> > > > is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it
> further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
> > > > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> > > > Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> distributed
> > > > database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
> > > > Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
> > > > sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > > > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > > > heterogeneous language.; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere"
> be
> > > > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > > > direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> > > > ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> > > > management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> > > > Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further
> > > >
> > > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sheng Wu]

The link[3] should be updated to
https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/e50fc90a7de3d2c25f833aed28eeda8cae79545a/MATURITY.md

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


tison  于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:49写道：

> Hi John,
>
> Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
>
> For the mailing above link[3] seems broken: there is no "dev" branch.
>
> Best,
> tison.
>
>
> Sheng Wu  于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:42写道：
>
> > Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
> > Being there and watching the community grown.
> >
> > Carry my +1 binding from the dev ml.
> >
> > Good luck.
> >
> > Sheng Wu 吴晟
> > Twitter, wusheng1108
> >
> >
> > zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：
> >
> > > Hi!
> > >
> > > After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally
> positive
> > > vote result[2].
> > >
> > > We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.
> > >
> > > Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you
> > think.
> > >
> > > A few status to help with the discussion:
> > >
> > > - There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list excepted
> > > GitBox forwarded;
> > > - 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved
> during
> > > ASF incubating;
> > > - 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
> > > incubating;
> > > - There are 89 contributors for now;
> > > - There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache
> release
> > > policy by 3 release managers;
> > > - There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
> > > community.
> > >
> > > We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
> > > ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.
> > >
> > > We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
> > > document, website and DockerHub image.
> > >
> > > [1]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> > > [2]
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> > > [3]
> > >
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project
> > >
> > > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to
> establish
> > > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and
> maintenance
> > > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > > related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> > > distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> > > products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> > > data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > > heterogeneous language..
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and
> hereby
> > > is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
> > > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> > > Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of distributed
> > > database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
> > > Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
> > > sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > > heterogeneous language.; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere" be
> > > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > > direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> > > ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> > > management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> > > Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further
> > >
> > > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache ShardingSphere
> > > Project:
> > >
> > >  * Craig L Russell   
> > >  * Hao Cao   
> > >  * Hongjun Du
> > >  * Hongtao Gao   
> > >  * Juan Pan  
> > >  * Jun Zhao  
> > >  * Liang Zhang   
> > >  * QingYang Chen 
> > >  * Sheng Wu  
> > >  * Von Gosling   
> > >  * Willem Ning Jiang 
> > >  * Xiaoguang Ma  
> > >  * Yang Yi   
> > >  * Yonglun Zhang 
> > >
> > > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Liang Zhang be appointed
> to
> > > the office 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[tison]

Hi John,

Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.

For the mailing above link[3] seems broken: there is no "dev" branch.

Best,
tison.


Sheng Wu  于2020年3月10日周二 上午8:42写道：

> Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
> Being there and watching the community grown.
>
> Carry my +1 binding from the dev ml.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Sheng Wu 吴晟
> Twitter, wusheng1108
>
>
> zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：
>
> > Hi!
> >
> > After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
> > vote result[2].
> >
> > We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.
> >
> > Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you
> think.
> >
> > A few status to help with the discussion:
> >
> > - There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list excepted
> > GitBox forwarded;
> > - 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved during
> > ASF incubating;
> > - 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
> > incubating;
> > - There are 89 contributors for now;
> > - There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache release
> > policy by 3 release managers;
> > - There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
> > community.
> >
> > We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
> > ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.
> >
> > We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
> > document, website and DockerHub image.
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> > [2]
> >
> >
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> > [3]
> > https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> > Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project
> >
> > WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> > the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> > a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> > of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> > related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> > distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> > products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> > data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > heterogeneous language..
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> > (PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and hereby
> > is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
> > responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> > Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of distributed
> > database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
> > Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
> > sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> > applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> > heterogeneous language.; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere" be
> > and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> > direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> > ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> > management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> > Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> > appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache ShardingSphere
> > Project:
> >
> >  * Craig L Russell   
> >  * Hao Cao   
> >  * Hongjun Du
> >  * Hongtao Gao   
> >  * Juan Pan  
> >  * Jun Zhao  
> >  * Liang Zhang   
> >  * QingYang Chen 
> >  * Sheng Wu  
> >  * Von Gosling   
> >  * Willem Ning Jiang 
> >  * Xiaoguang Ma  
> >  * Yang Yi   
> >  * Yonglun Zhang 
> >
> > NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Liang Zhang be appointed to
> > the office of Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere, to serve in
> > accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> > and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> > removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> > it further
> >
> > RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is tasked
> > with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
> > ShardingSphere podling; 

Re: [DISCUSS] Graduate Apache ShardingSphere (incubating) as a TLP

[Sheng Wu]

Glad to see ShardingSphere is closing the graduation.
Being there and watching the community grown.

Carry my +1 binding from the dev ml.

Good luck.

Sheng Wu 吴晟
Twitter, wusheng1108


zhangli...@apache.org  于2020年3月9日周一 下午10:14写道：

> Hi!
>
> After an enthusiastic discussion with the community[1], finally positive
> vote result[2].
>
> We'd like to bring this to a discussing at the IPMC.
>
> Please see the proposed resolution below and let us know what do you think.
>
> A few status to help with the discussion:
>
> - There are 1301 emails sent by 159 people in dev mailing-list excepted
> GitBox forwarded;
> - 2539 Issues created during ASF incubating, 2468 Issues resolved during
> ASF incubating;
> - 1073 PRs created during ASF incubating, 918 PRs merged during ASF
> incubating;
> - There are 89 contributors for now;
> - There are 4 versions released successfully conformant to Apache release
> policy by 3 release managers;
> - There are 2 new PPMCs and 8 new committers were invited to join the
> community.
>
> We had already finished the Podling Maturity Assessment for
> ShardingSphere[3], the 34 items are all passed.
>
> We had resolved all branding issues which include Logo, GitHub repo,
> document, website and DockerHub image.
>
> [1]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rf6a2cec7143395ac0126dcb13f331fbc87b680eaca015d50d7793172%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [2]
>
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/rc46c2869cd87f4d92c1322f0e008fc294980e1470443265d98529e66%40%3Cdev.shardingsphere.apache.org%3E
> [3]
> https://github.com/apache/incubator-shardingsphere/blob/dev/MATURITY.md
>
>
> 
>
> Establish the Apache ShardingSphere Project
>
> WHEREAS, the Board of Directors deems it to be in the best interests of
> the Foundation and consistent with the Foundation's purpose to establish
> a Project Management Committee charged with the creation and maintenance
> of open-source software, for distribution at no charge to the public,
> related to Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of
> distributed database middleware solutions, including 2 independent
> products, Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of
> data sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language..
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED, that a Project Management Committee
> (PMC), to be known as the "Apache ShardingSphere Project", be and hereby
> is established pursuant to Bylaws of the Foundation; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is
> responsible for the creation and maintenance of software related to
> Apache ShardingSphere is an ecosystem consisted of a set of distributed
> database middleware solutions, including 2 independent products,
> Sharding-JDBC, Sharding-Proxy. They all provide functions of data
> sharding, distributed transaction, database and data governance,
> applicable in a variety of situations such as Java isomorphism and
> heterogeneous language.; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the office of "Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere" be
> and hereby is created, the person holding such office to serve at the
> direction of the Board of Directors as the chair of the Apache
> ShardingSphere Project, and to have primary responsibility for
> management of the projects within the scope of responsibility of the
> Apache ShardingSphere Project; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the persons listed immediately below be and hereby are
> appointed to serve as the initial members of the Apache ShardingSphere
> Project:
>
>  * Craig L Russell   
>  * Hao Cao   
>  * Hongjun Du
>  * Hongtao Gao   
>  * Juan Pan  
>  * Jun Zhao  
>  * Liang Zhang   
>  * QingYang Chen 
>  * Sheng Wu  
>  * Von Gosling   
>  * Willem Ning Jiang 
>  * Xiaoguang Ma  
>  * Yang Yi   
>  * Yonglun Zhang 
>
> NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, that Liang Zhang be appointed to
> the office of Vice President, Apache ShardingSphere, to serve in
> accordance with and subject to the direction of the Board of Directors
> and the Bylaws of the Foundation until death, resignation, retirement,
> removal or disqualification, or until a successor is appointed; and be
> it further
>
> RESOLVED, that the Apache ShardingSphere Project be and hereby is tasked
> with the migration and rationalization of the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling; and be it further
>
> RESOLVED, that all responsibilities pertaining to the Apache Incubator
> ShardingSphere podling encumbered upon the Apache Incubator PMC are
> hereafter discharged.
>
> --
>
> Liang Zhang (John)
> Apache ShardingSphere & Dubbo
>