Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-08 Thread Upayavira
My feeling is that the incubator incubates communities and their products. With the pTLP plan, the communities don't need incubating in the same way - they have sufficient maturity to self-manage. That is, to my mind, the essence of the proposal. In which case, it is the product that needs

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-06 Thread Shane Curcuru
On 3/4/15 1:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org mailto:cutt...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org mailto:r...@apache.org wrote: ... As a director, I still don't think the

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-06 Thread Bertrand Delacretaz
Hi Roman, On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:31 AM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: ... https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51812862 ... Thanks for this, I meant to review but haven't found time so far for a detailed review. However, reading the comments of other

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-04 Thread Doug Cutting
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: At this point, I would like to open this document for soliciting as wide a feedback as possible. I would like to especially request attention of the ASF board members who asked for this type of a document to be available.

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-04 Thread Benson Margulies
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org wrote: At this point, I would like to open this document for soliciting as wide a feedback as possible. I would like to especially request attention of

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-04 Thread Jim Jagielski
The bylaws don't grok the idea of a provisional PMC; it either is one, or it isn't. So whether we call it provisional or not, legally we need to understand whether we actually want it as a real, official PMC or not. And if we do, what, again, does the provisional qualifier really mean? On Mar

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-04 Thread Sam Ruby
On 03/04/2015 01:41 PM, Benson Margulies wrote: On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 1:12 PM, Doug Cutting cutt...@apache.org mailto:cutt...@apache.org wrote: On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 5:31 PM, Roman Shaposhnik r...@apache.org mailto:r...@apache.org wrote: At this point, I would like to open this

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-03 Thread Greg Stein
On Mon, Mar 2, 2015 at 8:56 PM, John D. Ament johndam...@apache.org wrote: Roman, I don't think much is missing. One of my concerns with all of these proposals, especially for participants like myself, is the difference in how the IPMC operates vs how these PMCs must operate. For someone

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread John D. Ament
Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Sam Rubymailto: ru...@intertwingly.net Cc: Apache Boardmailto:bo...@apache.org Subject: Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document I obviously speak for the minority, but as a non-Apache Member I would never be able to provide

Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
Hi! since a few board members requested a detailed document outlining the exact policy of a pTLP project, I've created this: https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=51812862 which is modeled after the Incubator policy document. My rationale is this: if the level of

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread John D. Ament
Roman, I don't think much is missing. One of my concerns with all of these proposals, especially for participants like myself, is the difference in how the IPMC operates vs how these PMCs must operate. For someone like me, I wouldn't be able to help these pTLP's the way I can on the IPMC. From

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org; Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Sam Rubymailto:ru...@intertwingly.net Cc: Apache Boardmailto:bo...@apache.org Subject: Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document I obviously speak for the minority, but as a non-Apache

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Mattmann, Chris A (3980)
@incubator.apache.org general@incubator.apache.org, Bertrand Delacretaz bdelacre...@apache.org, Sam Ruby ru...@intertwingly.net Cc: Apache Board bo...@apache.org Subject: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document Hi! since a few board members requested a detailed document outlining the exact

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread John D. Ament
@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org; Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Sam Rubymailto:rubys@ intertwingly.net Cc: Apache Boardmailto:bo...@apache.org Subject: Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document Roman, I don't think much is missing. One of my

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Sam Rubymailto:ru...@intertwingly.net Cc: Apache Boardmailto:bo...@apache.org Subject: Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document Roman, I don't think much is missing. One of my concerns with all of these proposals, especially for participants like

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
:31 PM To: general@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org; Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Sam Rubymailto:ru...@intertwingly.net Cc: Apache Boardmailto:bo...@apache.org Subject: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document Hi! since a few board members

Re: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Niclas Hedhman
Thanks Roman, I think that it is unnecessary to mention sub-projects in this document. If an external codebase and community are going into an existing TLP, it is often possible to do so via an IP Clearance process, depending on size of external community. // Niclas On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:31

RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document

2015-03-02 Thread Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
@incubator.apache.orgmailto:general@incubator.apache.org Cc: Bertrand Delacretazmailto:bdelacre...@apache.org; Sam Rubymailto:ru...@intertwingly.net; bo...@apache.orgmailto:bo...@apache.org Subject: RE: Soliciting feedback for a detailed pTLP policy document I may be taking a more cynical interpretation, but when I