gt; wider community, not just the pmc, in some sense?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message
>>> From: Craig L Russell
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:09:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial com
On Aug 19, 2010, at 6:32 PM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Hm, sounds like sour grapes reappearing. Having the subversion
community
drop 10 years of common terminology and quickly adopt ours isn't
what I
consider part and parcel of incubation.
I guess I have to say it again. I'm not suggesting th
- Original Message
> From: Craig L Russell
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 6:45:54 PM
> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)
>
> I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in
ty, not just the pmc, in some sense?
>>
>>
>> - Original Message
>>>
>>> From: Craig L Russell
>>> To: general@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:09:19 PM
>>> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was:
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 6:45 PM, Craig L Russell
wrote:
> I wish we had completed this discussion while subversion was still in
> incubation, while the subversion community could learn the common Apache
> terminology and have no need for translation of the terms.
>
> Instead, a suggestion to that
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:25 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>
> ** Community
>
> Since our last report, in May, we have added two more committers.
> These are "partial" committers, meaning they are restricted to certain
> portions of the tree. The first, artagnon, is a GSoC student for
> Git(!) and
mmunity, not just the pmc, in some sense?
- Original Message
From: Craig L Russell
To: general@incubator.apache.org
Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:09:19 PM
Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an
experiment)
Hi Joe,
Please read my messages again. I'm not suggestin
---
> From: Craig L Russell
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 4:09:19 PM
> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)
>
> Hi Joe,
>
> Please read my messages again. I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.
>
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 16:20, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>> > So it allows them to seamlessly earn wider karma via RTC?
>> Correct.
>
> So, it promotes CTR by the more experienced hands, and RTC by the less
> experienced hands. That does not seem like a bad thing.
Yup.
And to clarify: within their
Craig L Russell wrote on Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 11:38:48 -0700:
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> As I said in my other post, by using *both* sets of terms in the
>> report, the svn community also learns what the "formal" names are here
>> at the ASF. They can see the translati
> > So it allows them to seamlessly earn wider karma via RTC?
> Correct.
So, it promotes CTR by the more experienced hands, and RTC by the less
experienced hands. That does not seem like a bad thing.
--- Noel
-
To uns
Hi Joe,
Please read my messages again. I'm not suggesting anything of the sort.
Craig
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Joe Schaefer wrote:
Cmon Craig. Subversion is a 10-year old community. Making major
changes
in basic terminology isn't something that happens in a day.
Craig L Russell
Ar
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 14:56, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>
>> Actually, we don't use ACLs at all. We simply tell them "only commit
>> in your designated area". We haven't ever had a problem with that
>> approach.
>
> Even better. :-) Relies on human respect.
>
>> Even better: if
Joe Schaefer wrote:
> I'm perfectly comfortable letting the board provide feedback to Greg
> about its expectations for future Subversion reports, and see no need
> for anyone else to insert their opinions on the subject in any more
> than a limited and advisory basis.
I'm still trying to figure
Greg Stein wrote:
> Actually, we don't use ACLs at all. We simply tell them "only commit
> in your designated area". We haven't ever had a problem with that
> approach.
Even better. :-) Relies on human respect.
> Even better: if the committer gets a +1 on a patch from somebody with
> "full" ac
- Original Message
> From: Craig L Russell
> To: general@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 2:38:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (was: Re: an experiment)
>
>
> On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> > A
On Aug 19, 2010, at 11:30 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
As I said in my other post, by using *both* sets of terms in the
report, the svn community also learns what the "formal" names are here
at the ASF. They can see the translation.
So yeah. I'm doing exactly what you're asking: educating the communi
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:06, Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>...
>> The report is consumed by the svn community, too. They reviewed it and
>> provided feedback. It uses terms from the svn community.
>...
> No way would the Board (nor you) allow arbitr
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 10:03, Ralph Goers wrote:
>...
> This seems really simple to me. If I move from Korea to the United States I'd
> better start learning to speak English if I want to interact with the
> population at large. If I just want to stay within my little Korean community
> then I
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 13:29, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
>...
>> No way would the Board (nor you) allow arbitrary terminology across
>> projects even if it is "parentheticals" (whatever that means).
>
> As far as I'm concerned, the participants are Committers. There is no need
> to distinguish betwe
Niclas Hedhman wrote:
> Greg Stein wrote:
>> Craig L Russell wrote:
>>> I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
>>> Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache
community.
>> The report is consumed by the svn community, too. They reviewed it and
>
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 2:26 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell
> wrote:
>> I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
>> Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache community.
>
> The report is consumed by the
On Aug 18, 2010, at 5:19 PM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>
>> identifying the project with the ASF. Similarly on many occasions we have
>> asked projects to pick a new name as part of the incubation process. We have
>> made exceptions for well established brands (ServiceMix & ActiveMQ were the
>> first
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 20:06, Sanjiva Weerawarana
wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>> How does naming accomplish the goal of collaborative, consensus-based
>> development? I thought that was why we were here. I hadn't heard that
>
> We force Java code to be package cha
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 3:41 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
>
> How does naming accomplish the goal of collaborative, consensus-based
> development? I thought that was why we were here. I hadn't heard that
>
We force Java code to be package changed to be org.apache.*. Why do we do
that? That's a SERIOUS
On Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 12:11 AM, Greg Stein wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 18:02, Sanjiva Weerawarana
> wrote:
>> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Daniel Shahaf
>> wrote:
>>> > When I saw this month's board report for Subversion, I was taken aback
>>> > that the board is expected to follow t
On Wed, Aug 18, 2010 at 18:02, Sanjiva Weerawarana
wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Daniel Shahaf
> wrote:
>> > When I saw this month's board report for Subversion, I was taken aback
>> > that the board is expected to follow the terminology used by only one
>> > project. Really? The boa
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 11:13 PM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
>
> > When I saw this month's board report for Subversion, I was taken aback
> > that the board is expected to follow the terminology used by only one
> > project. Really? The board, which has used the same terms for 10++
> > years, is now goi
found that to be a useful device.
Sounds like something similar will work for Subversion.
Kudos.
- Original Message
> From: Daniel Shahaf
> To: bo...@apache.org
> Cc: Incubator
> Sent: Tue, August 17, 2010 4:06:10 PM
> Subject: Re: Subversion full/partial committer (wa
Greg Stein wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:26:24 -0400:
> On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell
> wrote:
> > I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
> > Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache community.
@Craig, thanks for clarif
On Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 14:03, Craig L Russell wrote:
>...
>> Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
>...
> I don't care what you call them in the project. I'm asking that you use
> Apache terminology when discussing things among the wider Apache community.
The report is co
Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
> One of the first things you learn in Apache is that there are (at least)
> three levels of involvement that community members can take:
> contributor, committer, PMC member. See "how it works, roles, etc. etc."
> on the Apache site
Hi Daniel,
On Aug 17, 2010, at 10:43 AM, Daniel Shahaf wrote:
Craig L Russell wrote on Tue, Aug 17, 2010 at 09:42:18 -0700:
One of the first things you learn in Apache is that there are (at
least)
three levels of involvement that community members can take:
contributor, committer, PMC member
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