On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
...I think the IPMC is doing almost all of the above better. Everything
except for Failed. I think that
now we are blaming the mentor. Let's get over it. Not every podling will
work
That's distinct concerns IMO:
On Jan 9, 2015, at 1:35 AM, Bertrand Delacretaz wrote:
On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:31 AM, Dave Fisher dave2w...@comcast.net wrote:
...I think the IPMC is doing almost all of the above better. Everything
except for Failed. I think that
now we are blaming the mentor. Let's get over it. Not every
Hi -
We could better spend our energy looking at podlings with Mentor problems and
deciding which of three possible states fits the podling.
- Failed - no community is trully involved and there is nothing an active
mentor could do. Let's just admit it and retire the podling.
- Needs Help - a
On Wednesday, January 7, 2015, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
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On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej
On 08/01/15 16:48, Chip Childers wrote:
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 08:18:59PM -0800, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
Retiring the role of Champion sounds like an idea whose time has come. We
gave the Champion additional oversight responsibilities a while back -- but
how many times since then has having
: Thursday, January 8, 2015 7:06 AM
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Subject: Re: proposal: mentor re-boot
On 08.01.2015 15:32, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
The two mentor minimum is critical. I was going to make it three but
reasoned that if two were active, they could do the job.
Why? I've not yet
On Jan 8, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
+1
All we care about is that the podling has an active mentor who knows when to
ask for support and gets that support when they need it.
Following that statement to a logical conclusion, all
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On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 05:20:40PM -0800, Henry Saputra wrote:
+1
I would recommend to remove that particular line about mentor staying
as mentor sake
the broader IPMC
and sought out help from people privately who I trust to do the job well.
Ross
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On Jan
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:16 PM, Ross Gardler (MS OPEN TECH)
ross.gard...@microsoft.com wrote:
Chip is correct. The tools we use in board meetings make it easy for us to
see how many PMC members in a TLP resolution are members. If there are not
enough we will sometimes put the project on an
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 08:18:59PM -0800, Marvin Humphrey wrote:
Retiring the role of Champion sounds like an idea whose time has come. We
gave the Champion additional oversight responsibilities a while back -- but
how many times since then has having that additional layer made a difference?
On Wed, Jan 07, 2015 at 05:20:40PM -0800, Henry Saputra wrote:
+1
I would recommend to remove that particular line about mentor staying
as mentor sake.
Either mentors join in as full fledge PMC (and as committer) or not at all.
+1, with the one comment that I've heard the board(s) review a
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
On 08.01.2015 15:32, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
The two mentor minimum is critical. I was going to make it three but
reasoned that if two were active, they could do the job.
Why? I've not yet seen a single argument that would
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On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 1:16 PM
On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
What has changed in the
last year and a half is that we no longer ignore it when podlings fail to
report -- we put them into monthly and review the situation month to month.
Between that and requiring Mentor
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
We do have problems; see above.
To address our problems, I advocate incremental, reversible changes and
controlled experiments.
With that said, my proposal is not a radical overhaul.
There are parts of it I can get
Alan, thanks for the clarification. I agree that this is in the
context of podling/ incubator projects.
- Henry
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote:
One wording that could confuse
On 07.01.2015 22:45, Henry Saputra wrote:
If a mentor asked to stay as PMC after graduation just for the sake of
continue mentoring,
then I would argue that the podling was not ready for graduation. A
graduated TLP inviting the former mentor to the PMC is a different
matter, but then the IPMC
On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:13 PM, Marvin Humphrey mar...@rectangular.com wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal
From that page:
People who wish to become mentors that are not in the IPMC
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:42 AM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal
From that page:
People who wish to become mentors that are not in the IPMC must be a
novice mentor, whose mentorship is not counted as an active mentor,
On Jan 7, 2015, at 11:35 AM, Upayavira u...@odoko.co.uk wrote:
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015, at 06:46 PM, jan i wrote:
On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D.
On Jan 7, 2015, at 12:54 PM, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
The Incubator has made important progress.
I want to quickly acknowledge that we have made immense, immense, progress
thanks in no small part to our IPMC chairs over the years. A lot of hard work
was done and that
One wording that could confuse people:
after which they are removed from the PMC unless they are committers.
If someone already a PMC, he or she is also a committer. In ASF a
committer is someone who can commit code into the repository.
If a mentor asked to stay as PMC after graduation just for
On Jan 7, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Henry Saputra henry.sapu...@gmail.com wrote:
One wording that could confuse people:
after which they are removed from the PMC unless they are committers.
If someone already a PMC, he or she is also a committer. In ASF a
committer is someone who can commit code
+1
I would recommend to remove that particular line about mentor staying
as mentor sake.
Either mentors join in as full fledge PMC (and as committer) or not at all.
- Henry
On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 4:56 PM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
On 07.01.2015 22:45, Henry Saputra wrote:
If a
On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold
mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority
during releases.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal
On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold
mentors accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority
during releases.
On 7 January 2015 at 19:32, Alan D. Cabrera l...@toolazydogs.com wrote:
On Jan 7, 2015, at 10:13 AM, Branko Čibej br...@apache.org wrote:
On 07.01.2015 18:42, Alan D. Cabrera wrote:
I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold
mentors accountable but also give
I’ve written up a more comprehensive proposal that would not only hold mentors
accountable but also give them a fair bit of autonomous authority during
releases.
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal
https://wiki.apache.org/incubator/MentorRebootProposal
What we would gain is
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