On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it would be
standardized?
Are you looking towards
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Frankly Sun should learn from IBM model and start to sell services
instead of just software.
They already sell services :)
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+1
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
Heck no. .NET/c# why would I want to use an even more proprietary thing
to get back at SUN? Heck no.
... hm.. this discussion could be on the list... buy anyway.
-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA.
-- Java Web Development with Struts.
-- Tel +1
Hi,
Java proves to be a reliable technology but some political questions are
still
open and some others - not all - are getting answered in the wrong
direction.
There could be a chance to discuss these things during the JavaOne next
month.
Perhaps at Jon`s new place which is not too far away
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Kollár Dóra wrote:
Dear Sir / Madame,
My name is
Hi,
What would we need to do to get Jakarta mirrored alongside httpd, mod_perl
etc.
I've been setting up a few servers and ftp would be a real bonus.
d.
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I wonder how people would feel about moving the actual PMC business to
another list, like Jakarta-Meeting. It's obvious that we need a General
list for open discussions, but I believe that it would be appropriate to
have a public list focussed on the business of the PMC, being oversight
of
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it
Provided the senate does not avoid the forum less they loose site of the
plebs.
-Andy
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 07:14, Ted Husted wrote:
I wonder how people would feel about moving the actual PMC business to
another list, like Jakarta-Meeting. It's obvious that we need a General
list for open
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
proprietary even after they promised us for
Peter is correct. A few links (you can see my name in the first one):
http://www.ecma.ch/ecma1/MEMENTO/TC39-G3.HTM
http://www.ecma.ch/ecma1/NEWS/NEWS.HTM
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/02/04/mono.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html
Andrew C Oliver wrote:
A few links:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/02/04/mono.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html
http://www.ximian.com/devzone/projects/mono.html
http://www.gnu.org/projects/dotgnu/
http://www.halcyonsoft.com/news/javadotnet.asp
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:48:28 -0500 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote.
Andrew C Oliver wrote:
A few links:
http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2002/02/04/mono.html
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/23919.html
http://www.ximian.com/devzone/projects/mono.html
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The java-is-dead
mailing list is for people who love Java but are *very*
So, what was the answer to the question below? If we really do need two +1s
for a nomination, then I have some campaigning to do! (Unless someone else
wants to go ahead and +1 me, if only to shut me up. ;)
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From: Morgan Delagrange [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta
Hi Stefano,
-Mensaje original-
De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET classes and
java-cloning classes and I say let's kiss java good bye.
And
Most of the Mono Ximian crowd is in Boston IIRC. Give them a shout.
Scott
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From: acoliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:01 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!
On Tue, 5
Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual. As soon as a java2c#
porting tool is available, the hordes will probably be moving on...
-Original Message-
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 8:25 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject:
on 2/4/02 8:29 PM, Aaron Smuts [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Could someone explain the issue, especially with reference to JSR107
(JCACHE).
Aaron
Yes. I'm on JSR 107 and I seem to be the only really vocal person there
about my needs. Brian Goetz cares as well, but isn't nearly as vocal.
on 2/5/02 10:55 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On the other hand the porting tool already exists. See
http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualj/jump/. Yet the hordes still remain.
- Sam Ruby
My favorite quote:
The Java Language Conversion Assistant has been developed independently by
on 1/30/02 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it
doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a
good idea and I'll be glad to submit a patch to that effect. It just
seems like we should be
Sam, I always get a kick out of your droll submissions. Thanks for the
quiet humor, which always includes informational content and never is too
biting. Micael
At 01:55 PM 2/5/02 -0500, you wrote:
Scott Sanders wrote:
Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual. As soon as a java2c#
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:09, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote:
Hi Stefano,
-Mensaje original-
De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
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Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
on 1/30/02 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it
doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a
Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote:
Sam, I always get a kick out of your droll submissions. Thanks for the
quiet humor, which always includes informational content and never is too
biting. Micael
If you liked that, you might also like
http://radio.weblogs.com/0101679/2002/02/02.html#a61 .
From: Scott Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Stefano, you are right on the mark as usual. As soon as a java2c#
porting tool is available, the hordes will probably be moving on...
Actually, forget a porting tool. I want an open-source version of
something like this:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 22:22, Kollár Dóra wrote:
Last year we implemented Baltimore UniCERT modules at a customer.
UniCERT WebRAO 2.2 MediaKit contains a non-commercial Jakarta Tomcat web
application (TomCat 3.2.1).
Tomcat is non-proprietary but sure is commercial. There are many people
that
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Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
Note that this mailing list is a
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Juergen Fey [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hi,
Java proves to be a reliable technology but some political questions are still
open and some others - not all - are getting answered in the wrong direction.
There could be a chance to discuss these
On Tue, 05 Feb 2002 11:19:43 -0800 Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote.
on 1/30/02 4:15 PM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only issue and I guess this is directed more at you Jon, is it
doesn't give me a clear idea about what we want. Can you give me a
good idea and I'll
From: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
In case you didn't notice, Sun might go out of business as soon as a
couple of years: if even Oracle says that bigiron is dead, Google and
yahoo run on huge though inexpensive clusters of pc clones, Dual G4
machines are starting to beat the
De: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviado el: martes 5 de febrero de 2002 15:09
For those who don't know me and might perceive this as an endorsement,
I
have worn Microsoft shirts to JavaOne (just ask Pat Sueltz), and
NetScape
shirts to the Microsoft PDC (just ask Dick Hardt or the MS VP
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
Dont't sit back and do nothing. Sending emails to this list is just a waste of
your time.
Try to imagine what makes Sun officials worry more:
- the guy who pushed java technology in the ASF since '97 and was so
efficient with his java-lover friends that the ASF has
Hello All,
I am doing a little research project and I would appreciate some feedback
from you guys. I mostly lurk the message boards here, helping people and
asking questions when they come up. I use tomcat, log4j, taglibs, and ant.
This survey should take you no more than 3 or 4 minutes.
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 11:24, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote:
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2/4/02 1:58 PM, Kevin A. Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I created the java-is-dead mailing list to address these issues.
Note that this mailing list is a place to help fix things. The
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 14:47, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to
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Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
Dont't sit back and do nothing. Sending emails to this list is just a waste
of your time.
Try to imagine what makes Sun officials worry more:
- the guy who pushed java
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