Re: Big problem report

[lloyd]

On Thu, 2002-02-07 at 10:08, Meghan Pike wrote:
> I don't know this is my system or your system, but when I download the
> jakarta regexp zip and gzip files their size is 0. Even the jar file is
> size zero.  I don't know whats going on, but I would really like to use
> the regexp package for an opensource project...  I'm on a redhat linuz
> machine at the university of edinburgh, I don't know if that helps...


FWIW - If you're using the latest mozilla, try right-click save instead
of just clicking on the link.



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Big problem report

[Meghan Pike]

I don't know this is my system or your system, but when I download the
jakarta regexp zip and gzip files their size is 0. Even the jar file is
size zero.  I don't know whats going on, but I would really like to use
the regexp package for an opensource project...  I'm on a redhat linuz
machine at the university of edinburgh, I don't know if that helps...

Yours sincerely

Meghan Pike


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RE: PMC Nomination - Craig McClanahan

[John Grove]

If I had a vote, which I do not :-)  I would vote for Craig just because of
his support for the user community, which I am one.

John Grove
-Original Message-
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 9:48 AM
To: Jakarta General List; Morgan Delagrange
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: PMC Nomination - Craig McClanahan




On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, Morgan Delagrange wrote:

> Date: Fri, 1 Feb 2002 16:16:55 -0600
> From: Morgan Delagrange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Reply-To: Jakarta General List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  Morgan Delagrange <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: General Jakarta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: PMC Nomination - Craig McClanahan
>
> I would like to nominate Craig McClanahan for re-election to the PMC.
>

I accept nomination for re-election to the PMC.

You can find out more about me on the Struts "Who We Are" page:

  http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/userGuide/volunteers.html

At Apache, I got involved in the Apache JServ project before there was a
Jakarta (along with other long timers like Jon, Pier, and Stefano), and at
the ApacheCon just after the Tomcat source code was finally handed over to
Apache, told James Duncan Davidson in front of several hundred people that
the Sun code sucked ;-). (Want proof?  Just go back to the sources for
Tomcat 3.0, but don't do this on a full stomach ;-).

Over the last couple of years, I've been a big-time contributor on Tomcat
(Catalina's architecture is basically what Apache JServ 2.0 was going to
be), Struts (I'm the primary architect), and Commons.  Along the way,
I've been somewhat less involved with Taglibs and Watchdog.  I'm also a
pretty good chunk of Apache's "user support" on the TOMCAT-USER list.

I believe in Apache's goals w.r.t. open sourcing Java.  I don't have a lot
of patience for diatribes and mailing list flame fests -- they tend to be
counterproductive to these goals.  Therefore, you'll see more CVS commits
than discussion participation from me when the topic strays in those
directions.  (Interestingly, the overall level of CVS commits seems to be
inversely proportional to the vitriol in the current discussions ...)

One last note -- as most of you are probably aware, I work for Sun.  If
that fact, by itself, affects your vote, then you need to think about how
much you really believe in Apache's credo that contributors should be
judged on what they do, not who they work for.  (I'm sure you can find
plenty of other reasons not to vote for me, if that's what you want ;-).

>
> - Morgan Delagrange
>

Craig McClanahan


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Jakarta PMC Nomination Acceptance

[Geir Magnusson Jr.]

Sorry about the delay.

I accept the nomination for re-election to the PMC.  I have several basic
beliefs related to the subject of jakarta governance :

 o That Java as a platform is facing some challenges, and that open source
practitioners, especially the Jakarta project, can help play a big role in
making Java a more open, and therefore stronger platform.

o The Jakarta sub-projects should be in charge of their destiny, able to
self-govern according to the dictates of the  sub-project community with
minimal constraints, such as those imposed by the Apache Software
Foundation's licensing and rules on IP, and the traditions of meritocracy
encoded in the Jakarta guidelines.

o That the Jakarta project is strongest when there is a clear scope and an
active community of like-minded individuals.  We are a large project and
must carefully manage our growth as we go forward.

In simple terms, a collection of strong states with a weak central
government to provide for common defense.

I am an EE and physicist by training, and have been a semi- and professional
programmer for about 15 years.  My work has been in the domains of digital
audio processing, image processing, Monte Carlo simulation of physical
systems, 'real-time' financial market data delivery, and lately Java server
infrastructure and applications, with a particular bent towards templating.

I am relatively new to Apache and Jakarta, but have been a longtime fan of
open source as a user. My major contributions to Jakarta are in the Velocity
project, having joined the project just after inception.  (Come take a look
at our latest - Velocity-Struts integration and DVSL, another kind of XML
transformation tool).  Since then, I helped establish the Commons project,
and have made minor contributions to one or two components.  Recently, my
major contributions to Commons seem to be non-cvs-related mail list traffic.
I don't expect many votes from there... :)  I am also a very inactive
committer in one of the turbine sub-projects, stratum.

And I don't work for anyone at the moment :)

geir

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RE: Nominee's for the Jakarta PMC 2002. Last change to debug.

[Ignacio J. Ortega]

> De: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Enviado el: jueves 7 de febrero de 2002 20:26

> The final list will be posted on the 9th of Januari. After which the

Good, a year without PMC, 

Waiting to see the final nominee list till next January :


Saludos ,
Ignacio J. Ortega



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Re: Jakarta PMC nomination acceptance - Sam Ruby.

[Dirk-Willem van Gulik]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Sam Ruby wrote:

> Apparently the rules require me to accept and say a few words.

Sorry Sam - but we even have to make -you- do it. Just to keep up the
pretense (only once a year of course) that you are one of us mere mortals.

Dw


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RE: Nominee's for the Jakarta PMC 2002. Last change to debug.

[Dirk-Willem van Gulik]

On Thu, 7 Feb 2002, Scott Sanders wrote:

> Jason van Zyl has declined on the general list.
>
> See
> http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=101252430522036&w=2

Thanks! My bad :-)

Dw


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Voters list for the Jakarta PMC 2002. Last change to debug.

[Dirk-Willem van Gulik]

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In order to vote for the Jakarta PMC in the 2002 elections you have to be
a committer on at least one Jakarta project.

Please find below the committers which we consider to be registered with
CVS at cvs.apache.org as committers on a jakarta project as of the first
of February.

This list is send out early as to allow debugging. The final list will be
send out on the 9th of February - when the ballot opens.

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to this id @apache.org).
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Abey M. Mullassery  abey
Andrew C. Oliveracoliver
Adam Murdochadammurdoch
Andreas V. Kempfakempf
Anil Vijendran  akv
Alex Chafee alex
Amy Roh amyroh
Anders Kristensen   anders
Andy Armstrong  andya
Andy Riedel ariedel
Arieh Markelarieh
Arnout Kuiper   arnout
Arron Bates arron
Arun Jamwal arun
Arundhati Bhowmick  aruna1
asmuts  asmuts
Juozas Baliuka  baliuka
Henri Yandell   bayard
Brendan Burns   bburns
B. C. Holmesbcholmes
Hans Bergsten   bergsten
Bill Barker billbarker
Bip Thelin  bip
Berin Loritsch  bloritsch
Stefan Bodewig  bodewig
Bojan Smojver   bojan
Jeff Brekke brekke
Brian Goetz briangoetz
Kevin Burtonburton
carlson carlson
Rich Catlettcatlett
Christopher Cainccain
Cedric Dumoulin cedric
Ceki Gulcu  ceki
Charles Benett  charlesb
Christopher Elkins  chrise
Christoph Wilhelms  chrisw
Carl Ludwig cl
Cory Hubert clhubert
Casey Lucas clucas
Christopher Lenzcmlenz
Eung-ju Parkcolus
Conor MacNeill  conor
Costin Manolachecostin
Craig R. McClanahan craigmcc
Cameron Riley   criley
Chris Taylorcstaylor
Doug Cuttingcutting
Carsten Ziegelercziegeler
Dan Milsteindanmil
Danny Angus danny
Danny Cowarddannyc
Darrell DeBoer  darrell
DaveB   daveb
Dave Kordavekor
Dave Bryson dbryson
Daniel F. Savarese  dfs
David Geary dgeary
Dion Gillarddion
Dirk Verbeeck   dirkv
Dave Polito djpolito
Donald Leslie   dleslie
Daniel Rall dlr
Dan Mandell dmandell
Dmitri Plotnikovdmitri
Dmitry Serebrennikovdmitrys
Eric Dobbs  dobbs
Peter Donalddonaldp
Eugene Gluzberg drag0n2
Doug Sale   dsale
Doug Davis  dug
James Duncan Davidson   duncan
David Weinrich  dweinr1
David Winterfeldt   dwinterfeldt
Elias Bayeh ebayeh
Ed Korthof  ed
Eduardo Pelegri-Llopart eduardop
Erik Hatcherehatcher
Eric Rescorla   ekr
Enver Haase enver
Federico Barbieri   fede
Fedor Karpelevitch  fedor
Gerhard Froehlich   froehlich
Vasile Gaburici gaburici
Geir Magnusson Jr.  geirm
Michael McCallumgholam
Giacomo Patigiacomo
Glenn Nielsen   glenn
Glenn McAllisterglennm
Glen Stampoultzis   glens
Gonzalo D Guallar   gonzalo
James Todd  gonzo
gerhard.schwarz gschwarz
Paul Hammanthammant
Harish Prabandham   harishp
Harmeet Bedihbedi
Henning Schmiedehausen  henning
GOMEZ Henri hgomez
Bernie Hoeneisenhoeneisen
Diane Holt  holtdl
Justyna Horwat  horwat
Ted Husted  husted
Ilkka Priha ilkka
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RE: Nominee's for the Jakarta PMC 2002. Last change to debug.

[Scott Sanders]

Jason van Zyl has declined on the general list.

See
http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-general&m=101252430522036&w=2

Scott

> -Original Message-
> From: Dirk-Willem van Gulik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 11:26 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Nominee's for the Jakarta PMC 2002. Last change to debug.
> 
> 
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> 
> 
> Please find below the list of nominees for the Jakarta PMC elections.
> 
> The final list will be posted on the 9th of Januari. After 
> which the elections begin - and the commiters receive their 
> ballot forms.
> 
> This message is send as to allow final debugging. New 
> nominations are no longer possible.
> 
> Should you see any errors on this list :
> 
> - ->  A nomination which is missing.
> 
>   Send [EMAIL PROTECTED] a message with a URL or the
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>   like the date, etc.
> 
> - ->  A nominee whose acceptance was not registered.
> 
>   Send [EMAIL PROTECTED] a message in which you, the nominee,
>   accept the nomination.
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> - ->  Any other error's.
> 
>   Send [EMAIL PROTECTED] a message with the error; and
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> If you are a nominee and you want to update your blurp - 
> please send the update directly to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The 
> sooner the better - on the 9th we'll be starting the elections.
> 
> Thanks !
> 
> Dw
> 
> Nominated and accepted by the nominee:
>   Scott Sanders
>   Craig McClanahan
>   Morgan Delagrange
>   Stefan Bodewig
>   Conor MacNeill
>   Costin Manolache
>   Paulo Gaspar
> 
> Nominated - but not yet accepted by the nominee:
>   Jason van Zyl
>   Geir Magnusson Jr.
>   Diane Holt
>   Sam Ruby
>   Donald Peter
> 
> Nominated - but declined by the nominee:
>   Ted Husted
>   Jon Stevens
>   Ceki Gulci
> 
> Blurp for those who accepted. This blurp will be part of the 
> ballot form.
> 
> Scott Sanders (accepted)
> 
> Who I am: I am a developer with 10 years of experience.  I 
> got my first taste of Open Source Software with JServ 0.9, 
> and helped (albeit very
> little) with Jserv as a lurker/non-committer.  I use/have 
> used Apache products everyday in my development of various 
> projects.  My current focus is on building the Commons 
> community to have a large library of reusable components for 
> my own development work.  I am also working on a proposal for 
> the re-birth of Alexandria, and have some thoughts on how to 
> make James an 'Exchange Killer'.  I am not being paid to work 
> at jakarta, and I am happy to help build the community.
> 
> What I want to accomplish: Jon, Sam, and Stefano are my open 
> source 'idols'.  I respect what each of them have done for 
> Jakarta and Apache as a whole.  I would like to follow in the 
> gigantic footsteps of Sam in helping to increase 
> inter-project communication and cooperation.  This can only 
> help to increase the Apache community in general, and the 
> Jakarta community specifically.  I would also like to 
> continue Sam's work in the cooperation with the 
> xml.apache.org community.  Part of the community building is 
> having some way of finding code within Apache.
> 
> I look forward to helping improve the jakarta community,
> 
> Craig McClanahan (accepted)
> 
> Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ 
> people do), so I cannot give a complete rundown of his 
> accomplishments.  I can say, however, that his excellent and 
> informed contributions to Commons, to Taglibs, and to 
> numerous mailing lists prove his value to the community.
> 
> You can find out more about me on the Struts "Who We Are" page:
> 
>   http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/userGuide/volunteers.html
> 
> At Apache, I got involved in the Apache JServ project before 
> there was a Jakarta (along with other long timers like Jon, 
> Pier, and Stefano), and at the ApacheCon just after the 
> Tomcat source code was finally handed over to Apache, told 
> James Duncan Davidson in front of several hundred people that 
> the Sun code sucked ;-). (Want proof?  Just go back to the 
> sources for Tomcat 3.0, but don't do this on a full stomach ;-).
> 
> Over the last couple of years, I've been a big-time 
> contributor on Tomcat (Catalina's architecture is basically 
> what Apache JServ 2.0 was going to be), Struts (I'm the 
> primary architect), and Commons.  Along the way, I've been 
> somewhat less involved with Taglibs and Watchdog.  I'm also a 
> pretty good chunk of Apache's "user support" on the TOMCAT-USER list.
> 
> I believe in Apache's goals w.r.t. open sourcing Java.  I 
> don't have a lot of patience for diatribes and mailing list 
> flame fests -- they tend to be counterproductive to these 
> goals.  Therefore, you'll see more CVS commits than 
> di

Jakarta PMC nomination acceptance - Sam Ruby.

[Sam Ruby]

Apparently the rules require me to accept and say a few words.

My first exposure to open source was when I wanted to integrate PHP with
Tomcat.  I found PHP to be well designed and with a very active community
with hundreds of active committers.  Soon after I got started, I was
shocked to find people I didn't know making changes to "my" code.

By contrast, Tomcat's code base was as screwed up as Craig says it was.  I
was running on JDK 1.1.8 at the time on WinNT, and the README actually said
that if you were running this combination and wanted to serve static files,
upgrade.  And the community was as disfunctional as Costin implied.  I was
initially greeted with "hey, you're from IBM, we don't want your kind
around here".

As far as what's my platform: I prefer a minimum of central control.  I
want to continue to create an environment where those that want to
contribute are given the maximum opportunity to do so.  I prefer to cross
fertilize and inform rather than mandate.  And I'm patient.  And VERY
persistent.

Some even say I have a sense of humor...  ;-)

- Sam Ruby


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Nominee's for the Jakarta PMC 2002. Last change to debug.

[Dirk-Willem van Gulik]

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Please find below the list of nominees for the Jakarta PMC elections.

The final list will be posted on the 9th of Januari. After which the
elections begin - and the commiters receive their ballot forms.

This message is send as to allow final debugging. New nominations are no
longer possible.

Should you see any errors on this list :

- ->A nomination which is missing.

Send [EMAIL PROTECTED] a message with a URL or the
message-ID of the message in which this person was
nomiated. We'll check with the archive for things
like the date, etc.

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Send [EMAIL PROTECTED] a message in which you, the nominee,
accept the nomination.

- ->Any other error's.

Send [EMAIL PROTECTED] a message with the error; and
the message-ID's or URL's to explain the mistake.

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we'll be starting the elections.

Thanks !

Dw

Nominated and accepted by the nominee:
Scott Sanders
Craig McClanahan
Morgan Delagrange
Stefan Bodewig
Conor MacNeill
Costin Manolache
Paulo Gaspar

Nominated - but not yet accepted by the nominee:
Jason van Zyl
Geir Magnusson Jr.
Diane Holt
Sam Ruby
Donald Peter

Nominated - but declined by the nominee:
Ted Husted
Jon Stevens
Ceki Gulci

Blurp for those who accepted. This blurp will be part of the ballot form.

Scott Sanders   (accepted)

Who I am: I am a developer with 10 years of experience.  I got my first
taste of Open Source Software with JServ 0.9, and helped (albeit very
little) with Jserv as a lurker/non-committer.  I use/have used Apache
products everyday in my development of various projects.  My current focus
is on building the Commons community to have a large library of reusable
components for my own development work.  I am also working on a proposal
for the re-birth of Alexandria, and have some thoughts on how to make
James an 'Exchange Killer'.  I am not being paid to work at jakarta, and I
am happy to help build the community.

What I want to accomplish: Jon, Sam, and Stefano are my open source
'idols'.  I respect what each of them have done for Jakarta and Apache as
a whole.  I would like to follow in the gigantic footsteps of Sam in
helping to increase inter-project communication and cooperation.  This can
only help to increase the Apache community in general, and the Jakarta
community specifically.  I would also like to continue Sam's work in the
cooperation with the xml.apache.org community.  Part of the community
building is having some way of finding code within Apache.

I look forward to helping improve the jakarta community,

Craig McClanahan (accepted)

Craig works on a lot more projects than I do (than _most_ people do), so I
cannot give a complete rundown of his accomplishments.  I can say,
however, that his excellent and informed contributions to Commons, to
Taglibs, and to numerous mailing lists prove his value to the community.

You can find out more about me on the Struts "Who We Are" page:

  http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/userGuide/volunteers.html

At Apache, I got involved in the Apache JServ project before there was a
Jakarta (along with other long timers like Jon, Pier, and Stefano), and at
the ApacheCon just after the Tomcat source code was finally handed over to
Apache, told James Duncan Davidson in front of several hundred people that
the Sun code sucked ;-). (Want proof?  Just go back to the sources for
Tomcat 3.0, but don't do this on a full stomach ;-).

Over the last couple of years, I've been a big-time contributor on Tomcat
(Catalina's architecture is basically what Apache JServ 2.0 was going to
be), Struts (I'm the primary architect), and Commons.  Along the way, I've
been somewhat less involved with Taglibs and Watchdog.  I'm also a pretty
good chunk of Apache's "user support" on the TOMCAT-USER list.

I believe in Apache's goals w.r.t. open sourcing Java.  I don't have a lot
of patience for diatribes and mailing list flame fests -- they tend to be
counterproductive to these goals.  Therefore, you'll see more CVS commits
than discussion participation from me when the topic strays in those
directions.  (Interestingly, the overall level of CVS commits seems to be
inversely proportional to the vitriol in the current discussions ...)

One last note -- as most of you are probably aware, I work for Sun.  If
that fact, by itself, affects your vote, then you need to think about how
much you really believe in Apache's credo that contributors should be
judged on what they do, not who they work for.  (I'm sure you can find
plenty of other reasons not to vote for me, if that's what you want ;-).

Morgan Delagrange (accepted)

I would like to nominate Morg

RE: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache

[Paulo Gaspar]

Yeahh!
Costin tends to be too quiet sometimes. I hope he is reversing that 
trend because I learn something most of the times he talks.

Have fun,
Paulo

> -Original Message-
> From: Remy Maucherat [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 6:07 PM
> To: Jakarta General List
> Subject: Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache
> 
> 
> > After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
> > if I don't quite believe jakarta needs 'management', 'committee' or
> > any other function besides 'jakarta commiter'.
> 
> Lol. Sellout !
> You're joining the establishment now !
> ;-)
> 
> I think I'll vote for you :)
> 
> Remy
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Re: PMC Nomination - Morgan Delagrange

[Morgan Delagrange]

Hi all,

Well, I shouldn't buck the trend;  here is some info about me.

I've been a Jakarta committer for approximately 13 months, 2 weeks.  I
started out on Taglibs, where I contributed a couple of taglibs to round out
the "scope" taglibs: session, application, request and application.  Soon
afterwards I donated the tag library which came to be known as "DBTags", a
tag library for basic JDBC access.  Ironically all of these tags will
probably be trumped by the "standard" tag library, which is now available as
an Early Access release.  Looks like I might need a new project!

I'm also a committer on the Commons project.  I have worked on DBCP, the
Logging component, HTTPClient, Latka (Latka is a functional testing program
with an XML interface), and the Commons charter.

Thanks for the nomination!

- Morgan


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Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache

[Remy Maucherat]

> After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
> if I don't quite believe jakarta needs 'management', 'committee' or
> any other function besides 'jakarta commiter'.

Lol. Sellout !
You're joining the establishment now !
;-)

I think I'll vote for you :)

Remy


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RE: PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar

[Paulo Gaspar]

Ok, now that I understand better how a PMC nomination works,
it looks like I have to say something about me besides just
saying that I accept - which I do.

I work on software development for almost 15 years and I 
only started using Apache software less than 2 years ago. I
got addicted very fast.

As many of you probably noticed, I do not believe on quietly
"accepting the facts". I also believe on defending my 
interests without hurting others and I often spend "too much"
effort defending what I consider fair.

And I do it for selfish reasons - I am depending on loads of
Jakarta software and I do not believe the Jakarta Project 
will survive unless we all win something.


Have fun,
Paulo Gaspar

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RE: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache

[GOMEZ Henri]

A big big big +1

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>After some thinking, I'm going to accept the nomination, even
>if I don't quite believe jakarta needs 'management', 'committee' or
>any other function besides 'jakarta commiter'.
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>My Apache background:
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>I've used Apache, linux, java servlets since the beginning ( or close
>enough ). I've learned that code is easy to write and doesn't
>matter that much - but solving problems, learning from others and
>getting involved.
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>I've worked on tomcat, moving code around and trying to improve
>on what other people have done. Also some of the first
>ant tasks ( including the  that everyone hates ),
>and many flame wars.
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>Overall, the high point for me on jakarta was not seeing tomcat
>released ( and used ), but getting other people to join and
>working with  some amazing people, and seeing  code like tomcat
>or ant 'live' and evolve, regardless of the code authors beeing
>around or not. Just compare the first version of ant or tomcat3.0
>with the current versions, and compare the list of commiters then
>with today - and you'll see what I mean.
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