Why use maillists??
Hi, why does the Apache/Jakarta project still uses maillist? It's a technology that was used before the invention of WWW. Everyone get's your eMail address, therefore you get spammed all the time the and it's very inconvenient to use. Every student homepage has got it's own forum now, so why not Apache/Jakarta?? I think this prooves again that Open Source is still a geek project and far away from a professional managed software project. Cheers Stefan -- NEU : GMX Internet.FreeDSL Ab sofort DSL-Tarif ohne Grundgebühr: http://www.gmx.net/info - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use maillists??
why does the Apache/Jakarta project still uses maillist? It's a technology that was used before the invention of WWW. And boy does it ever work! I've worked on a number of commercial projects which are managed in a similar way to accomodate dispersed teams. It works, we like it, get used to it. Everyone get's your eMail address, therefore you get spammed all the time the and it's very inconvenient to use. Use gmane for a mail to news gateway. Every student homepage has got it's own forum now, so why not Apache/Jakarta?? Because of all the alternatives you might have chosen forums *really* suck. I think this prooves again that Open Source is still a geek project and far away from a professional managed software project. There are two views to this, one is that many, many, professionally managed software projects count Apache amongst their role models for team management, in fact some of the most commercial and largest software companies in the world are having to adopt a managerial approach similar to OS project management in order to compete. The other view is that OS is indeed about geek projects, thats the point, pointy haired bosses can't write software, pointy haired bosses make us write bad software by adding irrelevant distractions like deadlines and dumb requirements. OTOH any pointy haired boss who has a valuable contribution to make can turn up and make it. If it is of any genuine value it will probably be adopted, and they can be elected onto a project as commiters. We probably have quite a few, busily writing software for Apache and keeping their pointy haired nonsense for their day jobs ;-) d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use maillists??
A couple of other reasons to supplement Danny's reply: -- Because they're easy to use at one level, and they're the lowest common denominator. Everyone (well, nearly) has an email account, and can read and respond to mailing lists. We have some contributors who still live over part-time dial-up accounts - making browsing fancy web forums a pain. But email's easy to send. -- Because it stores a record of the decisions the community makes. Having this history in archives is invaluable, especially one that doesn't change (like most wiki's do). The best kind of Apache project isn't about the latest code or the coolest programmer - it's about a collaborative community that works together - even when some people leave, there's enough of a community to continue the project. -- Because it's the Apache Way. Not that we have this written down anywhere in an agreed fashion, but both due to tradition, ease of use, and board mandate, mailing lists are the official way to conduct most business on any Apache project (and there are many more besides jakarta). It's not really a technical question - it's more an organizational and community question. 8-) - Shane - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use maillists??
Quoting Shane Curcuru [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A couple of other reasons to supplement Danny's reply: And one or two of my own: * Mailing lists are a push technology. Forums are more pull. That means I can get the mailing list updates sent to me without having to do anything. Forums require me to regularly check the website and see what's new. * Mailing lists let me browse everything quickly. Each email (or at least the subject title) passes by my eyes. I don't have to dig around in a web site and perhaps miss something because I didn't click on one last link. * Mailing list allow time-shifting of the discussion. This means I can reply to an email sent a few days ago. Forums also allow this, but things like IRC channels do not. That's not that mailing lists are perfect. The archives are often hard to search through and it's easy for good bits of information to get lost. It would be nice to be able to incorporate more of the information in on the mailing list into the website documentation (which a forum allows). Right now a reasonable solution is to make sure you copy and paste good mailing list replies into the community wiki. Things like Gmane which give you newsgroup access to mailing lists are *very* nice and solve some of the drawbacks to mailing lists. Finally, Jakarta did have forums at one time but I don't think they were heavily used: http://issues.apache.org/jive/index.jsp --- jaaron http://jadetower.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use maillists??
J Aaron Farr wrote: Finally, Jakarta did have forums at one time but I don't think they were heavily used: http://issues.apache.org/jive/index.jsp IMO this is the best point. Open source projects get to try dozens of different communication patterns (IM, IRC, NNTP, personal email, Forums, Wikis, mailing lists, phone calls, CVS, bugzilla, etc...). Mailing lists have emerged as the most effective means for open source development. -- Serge Knystautas President Lokitech software . strategy . design http://www.lokitech.com p. 301.656.5501 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
