Re: log4jME now available
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello, Log4j MicroEdition, or log4jME, version 1.0-b1 is now available at God... you *scared* m. I thought you meant Millennium Edition... ;0 Kevin - -- Kevin A. Burton ( [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) Cell: 408-910-6145 URL: http://relativity.yi.org ICQ: 73488596 Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, and proving that there is no need to do so - almost everyone gets busy on the proof. -- John Kenneth Galbraith -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.4 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Get my public key at: http://relativity.yi.org/pgpkey.txt iD8DBQE7cOW1AwM6xb2dfE0RAv3jAJ9TPyk0bLOU8XHBYtdO1buZmHEU5QCfTE/D 2GV0rNh2lNfK/l219CTC4w0= =SjHf -END PGP SIGNATURE- - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place
Ceki Gülcü wrote: Cedric, If you think that j.u.l has all the features you need then you should use it. Have you actually looked at the contents of j.u.l? No more than 5 minutes. Again, I'm not trying to say that any logging package is better than any another one, because I don't have this expertise / experience. I was just trying to somewhat balance some strong opinions which have showed up on this list. Cedric - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? http://sdc.sun.com/briefings/agenda.cgi?eventkey=5100 I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC or it is about how to build a website with JSP. -jon -- Forwarded Message From: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services Dear Developer: Judging from all the recent announcements in the industry, Web services is clearly the next big thing. Sun Microsystems, Inc. invites members of the development community to attend a one day Sun Headquarter Briefing on Developing Web Services. This Briefing is scheduled for Thursday, September 6, 2001. At this briefing, developers will receive first-hand information from the very people who are working with this new generation of web services. Developers will also learn how to start developing web services today. In addition, this briefing will attempt to clear the fog on web services development including steps in the process such as design, create, assemble, publish, and deploy. For more information or to register for the Briefing, go to: http://sdc.sun.com/briefings or call: 1.800.795.7578 PLEASE NOTE: When you register on-line, please be sure to click the check box on the upper left-hand of the description. See you at the Briefing! Ann Wilkins Sun Headquarter Briefings Phone: +1-408-635-0854 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
I'm guessing it [web services] is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC Correct. Web Services generally means SOAP/XML-RPC etc. It's an important part of optimizing your value Chain when dealing with everything from SMEs to large scale enterprises. ;) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
on 8/8/01 8:34 AM, Waldhoff, Rodney [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's an important part of optimizing your value Chain when dealing with everything from SMEs to large scale enterprises. ;) HAHAHAHA I'm sure it will increase my ROI on my ENV when my SME hits my JSP and pukes all over my RTFM. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place
FACT: Jog4J supports JDK 1.1.x and higher, while JogKit only supports JDK 1.2+, and JDK 1.4 logging is only _officialy_ available in JDK 1.4. Not terribly interested in Loggers, but I think I might need a JogKit. Actually I've got a bit of a mainframe, will Jog4J RUN :-) I think you may have typed Log too many times ! Conor - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Hi, It is basically yet another attempt to bring around interoperability much like all the various distributed object/rpc protocols (DCOM, IIOP etc). However the claim is that this time it will work because messages are plain text and that you use HTTP which is generally not firewalled off. However there has already been murmurings about compacting the XML because it is has low info density (I even heard that the ASN1.1 peeps are trying to get XML defined via that and encoded via PER, BER, XDR, etc). Another thing that will occur is that as more important and sensitive information is transferred via HTTP it will become more regulated via firewall software. Even if the above doesn't happen you are still placed at risk because what happens when the service provider goes down, you get disconnected, has security breaches or has nasty master (say MSes Passport authentication web service). Basically everything breaks - fun ;) So it is really only a good idea when you have a reliable network (ie an intranet) and trust/control the service. However theres a fair bit of marketing power behind it (ie IBM/MS combo) so anything is possible ;) On Thu, 9 Aug 2001 01:23, Jon Stevens wrote: Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? http://sdc.sun.com/briefings/agenda.cgi?eventkey=5100 I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC or it is about how to build a website with JSP. -jon -- Forwarded Message From: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services Dear Developer: Judging from all the recent announcements in the industry, Web services is clearly the next big thing. Sun Microsystems, Inc. invites members of the development community to attend a one day Sun Headquarter Briefing on Developing Web Services. This Briefing is scheduled for Thursday, September 6, 2001. At this briefing, developers will receive first-hand information from the very people who are working with this new generation of web services. Developers will also learn how to start developing web services today. In addition, this briefing will attempt to clear the fog on web services development including steps in the process such as design, create, assemble, publish, and deploy. For more information or to register for the Briefing, go to: http://sdc.sun.com/briefings or call: 1.800.795.7578 PLEASE NOTE: When you register on-line, please be sure to click the check box on the upper left-hand of the description. See you at the Briefing! Ann Wilkins Sun Headquarter Briefings Phone: +1-408-635-0854 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Pete *-* | Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, | | and proving that there is no need to do so - almost | | everyone gets busy on the proof. | | - John Kenneth Galbraith | *-* - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Jon Stevens wrote: Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? http://sdc.sun.com/briefings/agenda.cgi?eventkey=5100 I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC or it is about how to build a website with JSP. WebServices == SOAP is a good first order approximation. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Jon Stevens writes: Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? Right now it's mostly vapor, at least on the Sun ONE end of things. Too many of the Java APIs related to Web services are still making their way through the JCP (JAXB, JAXM, JAXR, JAX-RPC, Java APIs for WSDL) and several of the XML standards are still in flux (SOAP is now part of the W3C XML Protocol Activity and WSDL is only a W3C Note). Furthermore, every whitepaper seems to define web services slightly differently. Apparently though, if you pump in XML to a server via HTTP and get XML back, it's a Web service. daniel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: on Web Services (was: the Sun HQ Briefing thing...)
http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2001/08/07/webservices.html Hi Jon, Try the above. I go to the O'Reilly site for short, decently technical articles on new topics. This one is pretty good. My issue with Web Services? Why did they have to pick such a generic label? I remember when Service used to mean that you'd get your tires checked when you pulled into a gas station. David - Original Message - From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wednesday, August 8, 2001 8:23 am Subject: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? target=lhttp://sdc.sun.com/briefing I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC or it is about how to build a website with JSP. -jon -- Forwarded Message From: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services Dear Developer: Judging from all the recent announcements in the industry, Web services is clearly the next big thing. Sun Microsystems, Inc. invites members of the development community to attend a one day Sun Headquarter Briefing on Developing Web Services.This Briefing is scheduled for Thursday, September 6, 2001. At this briefing, developers will receive first-hand information from the very people who are working with this new generation of web services. Developers will also learn how to start developing web services today. In addition, this briefing will attempt to clear the fog on web services development including steps in the process such as design, create, assemble,publish, and deploy. For more information or to register for the Briefing, go to: http://sdc.sun.com/briefings or call: 1.800.795.7578 PLEASE NOTE: When you register on-line, please be sure to click the check box on the upper left-hand of the description. See you at the Briefing! Ann Wilkins Sun Headquarter Briefings Phone: +1-408-635-0854 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End of Forwarded Message --- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
I guess you could say it's components with a networking twist. I don't know if it's the next big thing, but it appears to be yet another piece of the buzzword puzzle to be aware of ;-) At 08:23 AM 8/8/2001 -0700, you wrote: Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? http://sdc.sun.com/briefings/agenda.cgi?eventkey=5100 I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC or it is about how to build a website with JSP. -jon -- Forwarded Message From: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Ann Wilkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2001 07:08:00 -0700 (PDT) Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services Dear Developer: Judging from all the recent announcements in the industry, Web services is clearly the next big thing. Sun Microsystems, Inc. invites members of the development community to attend a one day Sun Headquarter Briefing on Developing Web Services. This Briefing is scheduled for Thursday, September 6, 2001. At this briefing, developers will receive first-hand information from the very people who are working with this new generation of web services. Developers will also learn how to start developing web services today. In addition, this briefing will attempt to clear the fog on web services development including steps in the process such as design, create, assemble, publish, and deploy. For more information or to register for the Briefing, go to: http://sdc.sun.com/briefings or call: 1.800.795.7578 PLEASE NOTE: When you register on-line, please be sure to click the check box on the upper left-hand of the description. See you at the Briefing! Ann Wilkins Sun Headquarter Briefings Phone: +1-408-635-0854 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- End of Forwarded Message - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Sam Ruby wrote: Jon Stevens wrote: Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? http://sdc.sun.com/briefings/agenda.cgi?eventkey=5100 I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC or it is about how to build a website with JSP. WebServices == SOAP is a good first order approximation. All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources that my webapp can use and then actually use it. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Peter Donald wrote: It is basically yet another attempt to bring around interoperability much like all the various distributed object/rpc protocols (DCOM, IIOP etc). However the claim is that this time it will work because messages are plain text and that you use HTTP which is generally not firewalled off. Personally, I'd ignore the firewall parts of the discussion. That's a distraction. My take on it: CORBA and DCOM failed to achieve ubiquity because they tried to do too much and were too vendor specific (both protocols shared these aspects, but to different degrees). - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources that my webapp can use and then actually use it. I'm surprised no one has mentioned JXTA. Where does that fall into this web services picture? http://www.jxta.org/ P.s. This is great discussion. Thanks. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Berin Loritsch wrote: WebServices == SOAP is a good first order approximation. All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources that my webapp can use and then actually use it. That would be an excellent second order approximation! ;-) - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
And for more info on WEB Services, visit: http://www.wsj2.com/ and http://www.sys-con.com/webservices/ and even IBM has a very informative site on this issue: http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/webservices/ Nael Mohammad Neomar, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 415-403-7300 x314 (Work) 415-793-0609 (Mobile) When Wireless Means Business CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This e-mail may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. Do not read this e-mail if you are not the intended recipient. This e-mail transmission, and any documents, files or previous e-mail messages attached to it may contain confidential information that is legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, or a person responsible for delivering it to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or use of any of the information contained in or attached to this transmission is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. If you have received this transmission in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail or by telephone at (415) 403-7300, and destroy the original transmission and its attachments without reading or saving in any manner. Thank you. -Original Message- From: Jon Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 10:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources that my webapp can use and then actually use it. I'm surprised no one has mentioned JXTA. Where does that fall into this web services picture? http://www.jxta.org/ P.s. This is great discussion. Thanks. -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Jon Stevens wrote: I'm surprised no one has mentioned JXTA. Where does that fall into this web services picture? JXTA is P2P. WebServices tend to be client/server. Some would argue that if Web Services are the next big thing that P2P is the NEXT next big thing. - Sam Ruby - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Jon Stevens wrote: on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources that my webapp can use and then actually use it. I'm surprised no one has mentioned JXTA. Where does that fall into this web services picture? http://www.jxta.org/ The nebulous definition of a Web Service is: A dynamic web resource designed to be accessed and used by applications. The key part here is used by applications. If you incorporate pieces of www.jxta.org into the picture--then that is how you defined your Web Service. The tools commonly agreed upon (according to the premier Web Services Developer's Journal [WSDJ] that was included with the next to last JDJ issue) are UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. Another part that is required is Schema support (but you knew that already because UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL either require it or provide methods of specifying it). The compelling example that was given in WSDJ was a very simple web service to find out how much any book from Borders would cost in any currency. The cool part of SOAP and therefore WS is the support for transactions. You can compose larger WS from smaller ones. The example used two existing WS--one from Borders that returns the price of a book (specified by ISBN number) in US currency, and one that converts from one currency to another with the current exchange rates. The web service that was written took markup that specified the ISBN number and the resultant currency type you wanted. The web service would create a transaction that spanned the two other WS calls. First it accessed Border's WS and got the US price. Then it accessed the exchange rate WS to find the price according to the desired currency. That relatively simple example demonstrated why the WS concept is so powerful. The biggest thing is that this is all done from within applications. Your front end can be a web page, or a standalone app. They would both function identically--just with different user interfaces. In fact, you can add your own web service that uses this example, and will bring up a list of ISBNs and the cost from a Title. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services
Umar Syyid wrote: Hi Berin, Berin Loritsch wrote: The compelling example that was given in WSDJ was a very simple web service to find out how much any book from Borders would cost in any currency. The cool part of SOAP and therefore WS is the support for transactions. You can compose larger WS from smaller ones. The example used two existing WS--one from Borders that returns the price of a book (specified by ISBN number) in US currency, and one that converts from one currency to another with the current exchange rates. The web service that was written took markup that specified the ISBN number and the resultant currency type you wanted. The web service would create a transaction that spanned the two other WS calls. First it accessed Border's WS and got the US price. Then it accessed the exchange rate WS to find the price according to the desired currency. When you say transaction here, are you using the term in the technical sense? Yes. The transactions are part of the SOAP protocol along with security constraints. Please check the SOAP docs for more info. How does the transactional context propagate across varying resource types? For example, if one web service is executing an EJB implementation how do web services help the transaction to cross boundaries to COM+ objects running under MTS? Are web services a better integration technology then what exists today? Has someone built products that address cross app server interoperability concerns such as the one I mentioned above? Or are web services meant to be used only as a simple data exchange mechanism? The transaction mechanism is in the protocol. The underlying implementations do not change the mechanisms in the protocol. This means that you can have a web service that uses EJB, that uses a web service using DCOM, that uses a service using CORBA. The SOAP protocol is able to specify when a request failed and the calling service then can rollback all the changes it made. Basically SOAP has become your Transaction Authority. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
