jetspeed cvs seems to be screwed
Hi, Here is a bug (#4445) I posted against jetspeed: I want to see what code has changed since I last took a snapshot eg = using cvs=20 diff -D 2001-10-08, or by just updating my workspace back to that date. [kimptoc@www jakarta-jetspeed]$ cvs up -D 2001-10-08 P RELEASE-TODO cvs update: in directory bin: cvs update: cannot open CVS/Entries for reading: No such file or = directory cvs update: cannot open CVS/Tag: No such file or directory cvs [update aborted]: cannot write CVS/Template file: No such file or=20 directory ...but I get the above error The cvs diff gives this error: Terminated with fatal signal 11 Core dumped; preserving /tmp/cvs-serv62682 on server. CVS locks may need cleaning up. I presume one or more of the cvs files for jetspeed has a problem - = please can=20 it be fixed... -- It was rejected as its a more general problem - hence I am sending it to = the general list. Thanks for any thoughts/fixes to this. Regards, Chris PS sorry for the double post (i think) - forgot the subject last time... _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: | Paying for an online agenda? document storage? e-wallet? This looks like the | e-commerce flop on steroids. This is the stuff that will succeed: Microsoft Passport. Mix in Activation Code. Then pay for My Services. And find yourself placed firmly within MS World with no other options. - Be afraid. Be very afraid! In my opinion, the net does need some kind of ewallet stuff. It's just that M$ is the last company in the world that should own it. Why hasn't VISA and MasterCard and the like done this stuff ages ago? -- Mvh, Endre -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to do a CVS update
FYI: I was able to do CVS update after waiting long enough for the process to complete! See time below. CVS checkout of jakarata-site2 took 18 minutes on 23-sep-2001 CVS update of jakarata-site2 took 1 hour 17 minutes on 31-oct-2001 CVS checkout of jakarata-jetspeed took 1 hour 15 minutes on 27-sep-2001 CVS update of jakarata-jetspeed took 2 hours 16 minutes on 30-oct-2001 Paul Spencer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to do a CVS update
Paul Spencer wrote: FYI: I was able to do CVS update after waiting long enough for the process to complete! See time below. CVS checkout of jakarata-site2 took 18 minutes on 23-sep-2001 CVS update of jakarata-site2 took 1 hour 17 minutes on 31-oct-2001 CVS checkout of jakarata-jetspeed took 1 hour 15 minutes on 27-sep-2001 CVS update of jakarata-jetspeed took 2 hours 16 minutes on 30-oct-2001 You can see how long the process should take for a large number of projects by looking at http://jakarta.apache.org/builds/gump/latest/cvs_index.html . jakarta-site2: eight seconds. jakarta-jetspeed: 41 seconds. Configuration: Pentium II, RedHat 7.1, cable modem in Raleigh, NC. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
We did, several years ago, at Trintech, for Visa, Mastercard, and Amex. They all use it. I think Brother International just adopted it. It even worked over WAP. 8^) But it is not getting all the hoopla that Passport is getting. And it was meant for users to select as a choice, from a website, not to be supplied to them as the default/only thing they can use. Chuck On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 06:39 AM, Endre Stølsvik wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: | Paying for an online agenda? document storage? e-wallet? This looks like the | e-commerce flop on steroids. This is the stuff that will succeed: Microsoft Passport. Mix in Activation Code. Then pay for My Services. And find yourself placed firmly within MS World with no other options. - Be afraid. Be very afraid! In my opinion, the net does need some kind of ewallet stuff. It's just that M$ is the last company in the world that should own it. Why hasn't VISA and MasterCard and the like done this stuff ages ago? -- Mvh, Endre -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Murcko Topsail Group http://www.topsail.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Any plans to do an open source Java implementation of it? :) Then we could do an open alternative to My Services. 'Open Services' anyone? :) James - Original Message - From: Chuck Murcko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers We did, several years ago, at Trintech, for Visa, Mastercard, and Amex. They all use it. I think Brother International just adopted it. It even worked over WAP. 8^) But it is not getting all the hoopla that Passport is getting. And it was meant for users to select as a choice, from a website, not to be supplied to them as the default/only thing they can use. Chuck On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 06:39 AM, Endre Stølsvik wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: | Paying for an online agenda? document storage? e-wallet? This looks like the | e-commerce flop on steroids. This is the stuff that will succeed: Microsoft Passport. Mix in Activation Code. Then pay for My Services. And find yourself placed firmly within MS World with no other options. - Be afraid. Be very afraid! In my opinion, the net does need some kind of ewallet stuff. It's just that M$ is the last company in the world that should own it. Why hasn't VISA and MasterCard and the like done this stuff ages ago? -- Mvh, Endre -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Murcko Topsail Group http://www.topsail.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/compare/petshop.asp Its not a very fair comparison (suprise suprise) but from a quick look at the source code, it seems MS achieve their performance gains by not using EJBs :-) I wonder what the figures would look like if the PetStore were implemented along similar techniques using just regular JavaBeans and JSP... James _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
on 10/31/01 1:19 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/compare/petshop.asp Its not a very fair comparison (suprise suprise) but from a quick look at the source code, it seems MS achieve their performance gains by not using EJBs :-) Ok. Now that is funny. I got a good laugh out of that one. Hi Justy! I wonder what the figures would look like if the PetStore were implemented along similar techniques using just regular JavaBeans and JSP... I wonder what the figures would look like if the PetStore were implemented along similar techniques using just Turbine and Velocity... Velocity already had results show it to be faster than JSP. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
Sigh. 8^) And this is only one aspect of My Services. I would not bet on seeing Trintech PayWare eIssuer (as it is currently named) in OS form anytime soon. 8^( eIssuer is a big win for Trintech, as it integrates nicely into all their back end systems, where the big lump sum money is. But they have not yet understood the advantage an OS version would be at the upper management level, because an OS version would not be a revenue source (even though it might just be a true Passport wallet killer). Trintech is a good example of the thinking in the online transaction industry. Security, customer control, and getting a slice of the pie a la AmEx transaction fees are the guiding principles. OS doesn't do well here, except to be exploited. It's no surprise that .NET is M$'s first public foray into openness. But it's all about a special kind of open source, where you organize a community to make money for M$ without being paid. One could also argue that that's what the JCP really is for Sun. 8^) Want to bet we're going to see some kind of Passport wallet transaction fee somewhere in the future? That's money that would flow directly to M$ since they plan to control the transaction gateway to the back end (where the CC companies and banks are). Same with anyone else's system currently. They all think that's where the next new revenue is for them. The staging will mirror that of ATM transaction fees, free for awhile, but only until everyone is sucked into using it. I think it would be easier to get a set of transaction gateway standards that would allow any compliant ewallet to play, though it's hard to get around the qualification testing. The mindset of the CC industry has to change before anything can happen. So I guess the real answer is, it depends on how good we are as evangelists over several generations. 8^) Otherwise OS can only be burned badly by playing this game, IMO. Chuck On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 01:57 PM, James Strachan wrote: Any plans to do an open source Java implementation of it? :) Then we could do an open alternative to My Services. 'Open Services' anyone? :) James - Original Message - From: Chuck Murcko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2001 4:05 PM Subject: Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers We did, several years ago, at Trintech, for Visa, Mastercard, and Amex. They all use it. I think Brother International just adopted it. It even worked over WAP. 8^) But it is not getting all the hoopla that Passport is getting. And it was meant for users to select as a choice, from a website, not to be supplied to them as the default/only thing they can use. Chuck On Wednesday, October 31, 2001, at 06:39 AM, Endre Stølsvik wrote: On Thu, 25 Oct 2001, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: | Paying for an online agenda? document storage? e-wallet? This looks like the | e-commerce flop on steroids. This is the stuff that will succeed: Microsoft Passport. Mix in Activation Code. Then pay for My Services. And find yourself placed firmly within MS World with no other options. - Be afraid. Be very afraid! In my opinion, the net does need some kind of ewallet stuff. It's just that M$ is the last company in the world that should own it. Why hasn't VISA and MasterCard and the like done this stuff ages ago? -- Mvh, Endre -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Chuck Murcko Topsail Group http://www.topsail.org/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
on 10/31/01 1:54 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting to have a Java competition - trying the various different techniques, tools and frameworks and seeing how each of them stack up to .NET. Comparing code complexity, performance etc. e.g. with beans or EJBs, with JDBC stored procedures or Turbine, with JSP or Velocity, then on a bunch of runtime platforms and databases and see how they stack up doing the same application. James Unfortunately, none of us in Jakarta land get paid to write demo's so I doubt you will see one soon. :-( Needless to say, Scarab is fully OSS, performs quite well and the code is a very nice example of how to write an extremely complex web app. http://scarab.tigris.org/ -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
FYI, Intel did a comparison of PetStore written using XMLC and no EJBs. Check out the following performance analysis done at the Intel performance labs that shows the PetStore app running 5x-10x faster on Lutris Enhydra than BEA, etc when implemented using XMLC instead of JSPs and using simple data objects instead of EJBs. http://www.lutris.com/media/LutrisSG.pdf Shawn James Strachan wrote: From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/31/01 1:19 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://msdn.microsoft.com/net/compare/petshop.asp Its not a very fair comparison (suprise suprise) but from a quick look at the source code, it seems MS achieve their performance gains by not using EJBs :-) Ok. Now that is funny. I got a good laugh out of that one. Hi Justy! I wonder what the figures would look like if the PetStore were implemented along similar techniques using just regular JavaBeans and JSP... I wonder what the figures would look like if the PetStore were implemented along similar techniques using just Turbine and Velocity... Velocity already had results show it to be faster than JSP. I knew I shoulda said 'servlet' and not 'JSP' ;-) It would be interesting to have a Java competition - trying the various different techniques, tools and frameworks and seeing how each of them stack up to .NET. Comparing code complexity, performance etc. e.g. with beans or EJBs, with JDBC stored procedures or Turbine, with JSP or Velocity, then on a bunch of runtime platforms and databases and see how they stack up doing the same application. James _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Shawn McMurdo mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Lutris Technologieshttp://www.lutris.com Enhydra.Orghttp://www.enhydra.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
One of the central points was there was less code. : http://www.gotdotnet.com/team/compare/petshop.aspx It would be easy with Orion, EJBDoclet and a decent WAR file compatible page mark-up technology to beat the figures posted. Though not Apache, we should not discount SiteMesh.( http://www.opensymphony.com/sitemesh/ ) for the latter. Regards, - Paul H -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
On 10/31/01 6:45 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/31/01 1:54 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting to have a Java competition - trying the various different techniques, tools and frameworks and seeing how each of them stack up to .NET. Comparing code complexity, performance etc. e.g. with beans or EJBs, with JDBC stored procedures or Turbine, with JSP or Velocity, then on a bunch of runtime platforms and databases and see how they stack up doing the same application. James Unfortunately, none of us in Jakarta land get paid to write demo's so I doubt you will see one soon. :-( I know! I was thinking about it another way. Most frameworks end up making a sample web application to demonstrate them in action. So Velocity, Struts, XMLC, EJBDoclet, JSP tags and so on could just pick the PetStore as a demo to build in the future (or at least a part of it). I've been thinking of converting PetStore to Velocity, as we have had questions on the Velocity list asking about just that. It would give a real apples to apples comparison. As jon notes, it's going to be a bit of work, although we could try to recycle the lutris simple beans... Now, if I could just avoid sleep... geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting You're going to end up getting pissed at your software anyway, so you might as well not pay for it. Try Open Source. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] Microsoft Sets Tolls for .Net Developers
On 10/31/01 1:57 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Any plans to do an open source Java implementation of it? :) Then we could do an open alternative to My Services. 'Open Services' anyone? :) And maybe we could also hijack a top level domain, and put it as part of our new .COM project... -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting He who throws mud only loses ground. - Fat Albert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
Jon Stevens at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Needless to say, Scarab is fully OSS, performs quite well and the code is a very nice example of how to write an extremely complex web app. http://scarab.tigris.org/ (Just to repeat myself) _I_WANT_IT_NOW_TO_REPLACE_THAT_STINK_OF_BUGZILLA_ (Basically, when is it going to be working?) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [OT] MS makes a better PetShop...
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 10/31/01 6:45 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 10/31/01 1:54 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It would be interesting to have a Java competition - trying the various different techniques, tools and frameworks and seeing how each of them stack up to .NET. Comparing code complexity, performance etc. e.g. with beans or EJBs, with JDBC stored procedures or Turbine, with JSP or Velocity, then on a bunch of runtime platforms and databases and see how they stack up doing the same application. James Unfortunately, none of us in Jakarta land get paid to write demo's so I doubt you will see one soon. :-( I know! I was thinking about it another way. Most frameworks end up making a sample web application to demonstrate them in action. So Velocity, Struts, XMLC, EJBDoclet, JSP tags and so on could just pick the PetStore as a demo to build in the future (or at least a part of it). I've been thinking of converting PetStore to Velocity, as we have had questions on the Velocity list asking about just that. It would give a real apples to apples comparison. As jon notes, it's going to be a bit of work, although we could try to recycle the lutris simple beans... Now, if I could just avoid sleep... ;-) Thinking a bit more about it, using Turbine/Torque or Castor or EJBDoclet or JDO or whatever it should be a pretty quick job to make the 'simple beans'. Then sharing the same set of simple beans we could experiment with plugging in the various display/templating/framework technologies, Turbine, Velocity, JSP/tags, struts, XMLC, Cocoon/XSLT etc. James _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
