Re: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Stefan Bodewig
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002, Conor MacNeill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to nominate Diane Holt for the PMC. I second that. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Stephane Bailliez
-Original Message- From: Conor MacNeill [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I would like to nominate Diane Holt for the PMC. Diane is a [..] I second that too. Stephane -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: J2EE considered harmful (was [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml])

2002-01-31 Thread Tim Hyde
I've been lurking on this list for several years, and not speaking about things I'm not contributing to. But Andy's comment here about EJB J2EE goes right to the point, and triggers my passion ... As an architect, I've been in 5 projects in the last 2.5 years where EJBs were on the table, and

[OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro
Hi Tim. I agree with your point of view, we've been trying to avoid EJBs as much as possible. But there's one thing I don't understand. -Mensaje original- De: Tim Hyde [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Yes, EJB is a complete bodge of a design, and RPC invocation techniques would only be

Re: J2EE considered harmful (was [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml])

2002-01-31 Thread Santiago Gala
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: To be fair, WebSphere is probably more troublesome then the other containers (at least thats been my experience with it). I do think there is a time and place for RPC. I however think better support for location independence is required. (snip) I would suggest

Re: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 1/31/02 8:27 AM, Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to nominate - Jon Stevens - Sam Ruby I second both. Stefano, you beat me to it. I was putting together a longer list :) geir for the upcoming PMC elections. The reason is simple: nobody else has done more

Re: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
second. On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 08:27, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: I would like to nominate - Jon Stevens - Sam Ruby for the upcoming PMC elections. The reason is simple: nobody else has done more for jakarta. Sure, they have diametrically different styles and attitudes, but this the

FW: Error on site-internal link

2002-01-31 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Rolf Heckemann [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rolf Heckemann Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Error on site-internal link Hi The page http://jakarta.apache.org/site/faqs.html contains the link

Another complain... FW: Jakarta FAQ-o-matic broken

2002-01-31 Thread Paulo Gaspar
-Original Message- From: Jonathan Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:42 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' Subject: Jakarta FAQ-o-matic broken I cannot get the Jakarta FAQ-o-matic to work correctly.

Re: Another complain... FW: Jakarta FAQ-o-matic broken

2002-01-31 Thread dIon Gillard
Ok, I have NO idea about how this works, but obviously noone wants to fix it either. Why don't we take it offline until it's fixed? Paulo Gaspar wrote: -Original Message- From: Jonathan Miller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 3:42 PM To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'

Re: Use of Jakarta guidelines for other Open Source project

2002-01-31 Thread Sam Ruby
Mark Brouwer wrote: Therefore I ask whether the Jakarta project would mind if we adopt the Guidelines and represent it on our site in a way somebody familiar with Jakarta would say hm, that looks familiar, were have I seen this before Of course proper credits will be given.

Re: Another complain... FW: Jakarta FAQ-o-matic broken

2002-01-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 1/31/02 10:39 AM, Paulo Gaspar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just hope someone does something. Killing the links to something that is not there sounds good to me. I am getting a lot of complains like this and I will keep forwarding them here. (And when I get fed up with doing that I

LogKit 1.0.1 Released

2002-01-31 Thread Berin Loritsch
LogKit 1.0.1 Released - The Avalon team is proud to announce the 1.0.1 final release of LogKit. About Avalon The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into five sub projects: Framework, Excalibur, LogKit, Cornerstone, and

Re: URGENT: 3rd Party jar's in apache CVS need immediate action.

2002-01-31 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Kimbro Staken : On Tuesday, January 29, 2002, at 01:36 PM, Guillaume Rousse wrote: Don't import any jar back into the cvs, but fills a complete and exact dependency list -) Ok, not exactly what you're looking for, but at least it could open the debate. Outside of java

Re: URGENT: 3rd Party jar's in apache CVS need immediate action.

2002-01-31 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Guillaume Rousse : [..] Jpackage project (http://package.org) try to provide such a consistent set of java software for rpm world. Debian java project (http://people.debian.org/~tora/java/packagelist.html) provide the same service for debian world. Both try also to enforce nomal

Re: URGENT: 3rd Party jar's in apache CVS need immediate action.

2002-01-31 Thread Guillaume Rousse
Ainsi parlait Stefano Mazzocchi : [..] Don't get me wrong, I'm not against this. But the above are words, I need something that works and jars in CVS (with the license and description of where they were from attached) work best for me. As a kind of shamefuly self-publicity, jpackage project

PMC Nomination - Ted Husted

2002-01-31 Thread Morgan Delagrange
I would like to nominate Ted Husted for re-election to the PMC. Ted has a strong (and active) committment to documentation, probably the most often neglected component of any project. He also was a driving force in the Commons project; it's unlikely that the Commons would have been so

RE: J2EE considered harmful (was [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml])

2002-01-31 Thread Steve Downey
snip I have implemented a system using Container Managed EntityBeans that worked fairly well. I used Jonas (it was some time ago). It was smaller than the original poster example (about 20 entity classes, tens of thousands of instances). I spent a lot of time getting the entity

RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-31 Thread Scott Sanders
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml] On Wed, 2002-01-30 at 19:54, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002.1.30 4:15 PM,

PMC Nomination - Scott Sanders

2002-01-31 Thread Scott Sanders
I would like to nominate Scott Sanders (myself) for the PMC election. Who I am: I am a developer with 10 years of experience. I got my first taste of Open Source Software with JServ 0.9, and helped (albeit very little) with Jserv as a lurker/non-committer. I use/have used Apache products

Re: Re: PMC Nomination - Scott Sanders

2002-01-31 Thread acoliver
+1 On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 11:14:36 -0800 Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote. on 2002.1.31 10:36 AM, Scott Sanders [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would like to nominate Scott Sanders (myself) for the PMC election. 1 -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Andrus Adamchik
At 12:36 PM 1/31/2002 -0500, Steve Downey wrote: EJB also brings to the table all of the problems of the Object/Relational impedance mismatch. It's an empirical fact at this point that rows in a table are bad objects. They're data, and have no behavior. Turning them into objects with container

Re: PMC Nomination - Scott Sanders

2002-01-31 Thread Sam Ruby
Scott Sanders wrote: I would like to nominate Scott Sanders (myself) for the PMC election. Jon, Sam, and Stefano are my open source 'idols'. I *love* it! A self nomination that was crafted in such a way to guarantee the necessary seconds. I'll be glad to do my part: +1 - Sam Ruby --

RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Paulo Gaspar
*persistence transparency* = *waste of efficiency* There are no good systems that solve that yet. It only works for very simple schemas. Besides, (1) Not using that kind of layer does NOT mean that you have to concatenate Strings; (2) The use of Javabeans is abused. For (1) I use SQL

RE: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Ignacio J. Ortega
+1 Saludos , Ignacio J. Ortega -Mensaje original- De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: jueves 31 de enero de 2002 14:28 Para: Apache Jakarta Asunto: PMC Nomination I would like to nominate - Jon Stevens - Sam Ruby for the upcoming PMC

PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar

2002-01-31 Thread Sam Ruby
Paulo is an individual who uses a rather large portion of the code that we have been producing. He has experienced first hand the pains that are inflicted on the consumers of our software when decisions are made based on the rampant subproject rivalry that continues to exist. Throughout it all

RE: PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar

2002-01-31 Thread Scott Sanders
HUGE +1. He has the biggest mouth I have heard in a long time, and an excellent outsiders viewpoint. Scott Sanders -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:56 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: PMC Nomination - Paulo

RE: PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar

2002-01-31 Thread Scott Sanders
:) I know. I was referring to the size of Paulo's as-of-yet contribution to what Jakarta can become :) Scott -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 1:05 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar

RE: PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar

2002-01-31 Thread Scott Sanders
You mean that you accept? (You need to accept or decline) -Original Message- From: Paulo Gaspar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 2:01 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar Now I am speechless! (Never happened before

RE: PMC Nomination - Paulo Gaspar

2002-01-31 Thread Paulo Gaspar
I accept. I want to see the end of the movie. =;o) And I believe I will (would) survive if the lower probability result happens. I am already too involved anyway. Have fun, Paulo Gaspar -Original Message- From: Scott Sanders [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31,

RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Paulo Gaspar
A bit more of OT inline: =;o) -Original Message- From: Andrus Adamchik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 10:50 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: RE: J2EE considered harmful At 09:11 PM 1/31/2002 +0100, Paulo Gaspar wrote: (1) Not using that kind of

Re: PMC Nomination - Peter Donald

2002-01-31 Thread Paul Hammant
That he is a good coder, we don't have to discuss, I guess! Don't forget prolific! +1 - Paul -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: PMC Nomination - Peter Donald

2002-01-31 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 1/31/02 4:16 PM, Gerhard Froehlich [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I wanna nominate Donald äääh Peter ;). Peter is a PMC member in the moment! I second the nomination of Peter Donald. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software

Re: PMC Nomination - Ceki Gulcu

2002-01-31 Thread Daniel Rall
Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I nominate Ceki Gulku to be a candidate for the PMC election. Ceki is the force of nature behind log4j, a member of the ASF, until recently a member of the PMC, and one who I find is generally clear thinking and fair when it comes to open source

Re: PMC Nomination

2002-01-31 Thread Daniel Rall
Stefano Mazzocchi [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I would like to nominate - Jon Stevens - Sam Ruby for the upcoming PMC elections. The reason is simple: nobody else has done more for jakarta. +1 for both of the old dogs. Dan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Albeit at the expense of scalability On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 09:51, Paulo Gaspar wrote: I think that the key bit is: and it is a mistake to try to program as though a remote call had the same characteristics as a local one. Your app will always be more robust if you do NOT ignore the

RE: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-31 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
That's awesome, I'll check that out! On Thu, 2002-01-31 at 13:11, Scott Sanders wrote: -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:58 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs

RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
Amusingly enough, I've been considering writing an article with this exact same title. I've implemented two medium-sized systems using EJBs (http://www.similarity.com and http://mav.sourceforge.net/pig) and I've been haunting the ejb-interest list for more than a year. I was never ecstatic

RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-01-31 Thread Micael Padraig Og mac Grene
Are you just talking about creating a new language, or what? What is your idea? I cannot tell. At 12:38 PM 1/31/02 -0800, you wrote: Amusingly enough, I've been considering writing an article with this exact same title. I've implemented two medium-sized systems using EJBs