version numbers in jars

2002-02-21 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The following is from http://www.ibiblio.org/java/#recent I have a request to make of the log4j team, as well as all the other Java programmers at the Apache Project, IBM alphaWorks, Sun, and everyone else who distributes JAR archives. Could you please attach a version number to all your JARs?

RE: version numbers in jars

2002-02-21 Thread GOMEZ Henri
The following is from http://www.ibiblio.org/java/#recent I have a request to make of the log4j team, as well as all the other Java programmers at the Apache Project, IBM alphaWorks, Sun, and everyone else who distributes JAR archives. Could you please attach a version number to all your JARs?

Re: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Edward Q. Bridges
i like EJBs (note that i said like and not love). i think they have some applicability. however, a peeve of mine about EJBs and the spec is this claim of location independence. furthermore, the claim to location independence is eroding: note that in the 1.1 spec it claims: The client

RE: Apache Manual (was ApacheForge)

2002-02-21 Thread Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro
Ok, thanks a lot, Marc and Jon. Included are some links from xml.apache.org, luckily they resemble Jakarta's documents a lot. I know nothing about other Apache projects; I started adding links from httpd.apache.org like crazy, but then realized that the TOC was losing focus exponentially.

Re: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Pete Chown
Vic Cekvenich wrote: Doing EJBs is bad on many levels and creates more problems. Do you feel that the idea of an EJB-like system is bad, or just that EJBs specifically were badly designed? I would be interested to hear your thoughts on a better alternative. I feel that web programming is

Re: ApacheForge

2002-02-21 Thread Scott Tavares
For ever cares... Sybase's application server is named Enterprise Application Server or EAServer and it is a (r) registered trade mark. - Original Message - From: Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2002 12:25 PM

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro
I personally think that a distributed remote system has great promise. I feel that the EJB implementation is messy, closed and propietary. Un saludo, Alex. -Mensaje original- De: Pete Chown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Enviado el: jueves 21 de febrero de 2002 14:09 Para: Jakarta

Re: Apache Manual (was ApacheForge)

2002-02-21 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 2/21/02 4:31 AM, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now, including the valuable contributions of Marc and Jon, the annotated Apache manual TOC would look like this. Now, format it as an xdoc .xml file @see http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html and lets run

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Austin Gonyou
So what does that me JBoss is? On Thu, 2002-02-21 at 08:19, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: I personally think that a distributed remote system has great promise. I feel that the EJB implementation is messy, closed and propietary. Un saludo, Alex. -Mensaje original-

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net - worrisome flow of ignorant off-topic advice on this board

2002-02-21 Thread Esterkin, Alex
I hope not many enterprise applications are built using this ignorant 'advice'. IBM argued against EJBs up until recently because of countless deficiencies in EJB container implementation in WebSphere 3.5.*. Since WebSphere 4.0 introduction, they have clearly warmed up to using EJBs in their

RE: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Yu, Yanhui
Hi, I am involved in a pretty large project (we have not really started coding yet). As far as I can tell, we seem to go with Struts + WSAD + EJBs Java + JSP. Am I right to interpret that you mean the combination of Struts and EJBs are problem prone? Please help me to clarify on this. Thank

Re: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread dIon Gillard
Yu, Yanhui wrote: Hi, I am involved in a pretty large project (we have not really started coding yet). As far as I can tell, we seem to go with Struts + WSAD + EJBs Java + JSP. Am I right to interpret that you mean the combination of Struts and EJBs are problem prone? Please help me to

Re: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Austin Gonyou
Agreed on that point. We went through a bit of testing to find out what we should do and *why* before deciding. It is a good feature. :) On Fri, 2002-02-22 at 16:04, dIon Gillard wrote: Yu, Yanhui wrote: Hi, I am involved in a pretty large project (we have not really started coding

Re: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Ted Husted
Struts works just fine with EJBs, along with any other standard Java technology. The discussion is about EJBs in general, independant of whether they are used with Struts or not. A good number of Struts developers do use EJBs, which is why so many people are contributing to this thread. --

Re: Apache Manual (was ApacheForge)

2002-02-21 Thread James Strachan
I think one thing this conversation seems to have highlighted is that there's plenty of good documentation all over the apache sites, we could just do with some more sitemap / indexing / searching features to be able to find stuff. (quickly ducking before people think I'm volunteering). James