Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

To build on what Micael said, It's good to know your enemy but lets not talk Java into it's grave. Just because MickySoft comes out with something to compete against Java people seem to be taking fright and already talking about ditching Java for C# thereby playing into Mickys hand. Has Micky got

Re: EJB = bad = MS.net [People are stupid!]

Andrew C. Oliver wrote: >There are times when a scalable remoteable solution is necessary. >Granted these are 1 in 100 projects, (or fewer). Secondly, EJB is >purely a bad implementation of this. > Note how many good ones you're citing... >I recommend we table this discussion, it has drawn on.

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Tim Hyde wrote: > Andrus, > > I'm 100% behind the idea of the complete platform, but I'm worried that your > proposal talks about 'Web Applications'. > > I believe that what's needed is an alternative to the very idea that J2EE > (or even J2SE) is *the* definitive collection of java libraries,

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Andrus, I'm 100% behind the idea of the complete platform, but I'm worried that your proposal talks about 'Web Applications'. I believe that what's needed is an alternative to the very idea that J2EE (or even J2SE) is *the* definitive collection of java libraries, and that the project should off

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Bill, Andrew, Andrus, Marc, >How about a (semi?)-catchy name and a meaningful name-- >Open Distribution for the Enterprise -- ODE > Recap: This is a webapp project you are talking of? Or something that serves multiple server components (from Apache and others). The below was a project I very

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

Do you really thing that C# is going to be a competitor to Java? That amazes me. Do you guys work for Microsoft? At 10:28 AM 2/24/02 +0100, you wrote: >James Duncan Davidson wrote: > > > > On 2/5/02 08:24, "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > My position: give me a solid (p

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Meaningful names are OK with me too :-) . Suggested versions revolve around Enterprise Distribution idea. I personally like "Open Enterprise Distribution", with OED acronym used interchangebly. I will register SF project under this name and let everybody know when the registration goes through

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

You laugh... IT HAS BEEN PROPOSED!!! http://www.mail-archive.com/cocoon-dev@xml.apache.org/msg10094.html On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 15:20, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: > > > On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > > > > Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

On Sun, 24 Feb 2002, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > > Gosh, I think I'll have to write my own programming platform one day to > avoid all this. > I thought you already did ... you mean I *cannot* write device drivers and run them on Cocoon? Rats ... :-) Craig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail:

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

I keep telling you: http://www.digitalmars.com/d/ Get this guy to release it APL and then we can get up and go! :-) -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 04:28, Stefano Mazzocchi wrote: > James Duncan Davidson wrote: > > > > On 2/5/02 08:24, "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > My

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

James Duncan Davidson wrote: > > On 2/5/02 08:24, "Stefano Mazzocchi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a > > Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET classes and > > java-cloning classes and I say let's kiss java good

RE: The Complete Server Platform?

QED --> Quality Enterprise Distribution (or Quite Easy Dummy as my old Philosophy 101 prof used to say). Marc Saegesser > -Original Message- > From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 1:32 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: The Compl

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

How about a (semi?)-catchy name and a meaningful name-- Open Distribution for the Enterprise -- ODE Just my two cents, Bill Barnhill - Original Message - From: "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, February 24, 2002 11:32 AM S

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Open Enterprise Distribution ... I'm bigger into descriptive names that mean something when they don't cause lawsuits... :-) You asked... What's in a name? -Andy On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 13:52, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > > On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Andrew C. Oliver wrote: > On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik wrote >>This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a >>good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform that >>uses open tools (as opposed to jakarta-only tools). Though of course it

Re: Bug in jakarta web server? (apache 2.0.32)

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 09:55, Ted Grzesik wrote: > Folks, > > I believe the apache 2.0.32 server (i.e. the server jakarta site is > using) has a bug. I thought I would report it here because of the close > affiliation to the apache organization. Also, this is affecting the > ability of the Ja

Bug in jakarta web server? (apache 2.0.32)

Folks, I believe the apache 2.0.32 server (i.e. the server jakarta site is using) has a bug. I thought I would report it here because of the close affiliation to the apache organization. Also, this is affecting the ability of the Jakarta site to perform it's "duties". Bug: Downloading file

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 12:42, Andrus Adamchik wrote: > > Ted Husted wrote: > > > > My concern would be that this promotes a "We are Borg" attitude. > > > > This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a > good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform th

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Ted Husted wrote: > > My concern would be that this promotes a "We are Borg" attitude. > This is exactly why I think setting up a separate project would be a good idea. A project that would realize the concept of a platform that uses open tools (as opposed to jakarta-only tools). Though of co

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

On 23 Feb 2002, Pete Chown wrote: > The other thing I would like to push is gcj. It doesn't seem to be very > well known. For people who haven't come across it, it is part of gcc > and it is an ahead-of-time compiler for Java. It also includes a > bytecode interpreter so it can deal with dynam

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

On Sun, 2002-02-24 at 10:30, Ted Husted wrote: > Leo Simons wrote: > > 2) a statement of intent in important places on the website. > > I'm guessing that putting "we would like to see tomcat > > integrate with avalon" on the projects' respective websites > > would mean that such will happen sooner

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

Leo Simons wrote: > 2) a statement of intent in important places on the website. > I'm guessing that putting "we would like to see tomcat > integrate with avalon" on the projects' respective websites > would mean that such will happen sooner. My concern would be that this promotes a "We are Borg"

RE: Java Persistence Layer [was EJB, etc]

>-Original Message- >From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] >Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2002 11:48 PM >To: Jakarta General List >Subject: Java Persistence Layer [was EJB, etc] > > >See > >http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html > >If you are serious, the first thing you reall