Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Martin Cooper
Are you referring to the noun or the verb? http://dictionary.cambridge.org/define.asp?key=licence*1+0 In short, "licence" is the noun, "license" is the verb. Geez, these Americans think they speak English... ;-) ;-) -- Martin Cooper - Original Message - From: "Ted Husted" <[EMAIL PRO

RE: news@jakarta

2002-03-07 Thread Paulo Gaspar
> ... [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... I sure like this one! =:o) Paulo > -Original Message- > From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 11:28 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: RE: news@jakarta > > > Or.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. leave those notes you're

Re: news@jakarta list? (Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker)

2002-03-07 Thread Ted Husted
I think the original suggestion of [EMAIL PROTECTED] was fine. It is not mysterious or hard to remember, and most of the OT threads around here are generated by some type of news item. -Ted. Jeff Turner wrote: > > On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 06:03:21PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > > "Paul Ham

RE: news@jakarta

2002-03-07 Thread Danny Angus
Or.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] .. leave those notes you're not sure if anyone reads or not. > -Original Message- > From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 9:53 PM > To: Jakarta General List > Subject: Re: news@jakarta > > > On 3/7/02 4:48 PM, "[EMAIL P

Re: One more time...JakartaOne

2002-03-07 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
on 3/7/02 1:52 PM, "Geir Magnusson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for the rest, if you could give some indication of what would be > necessary for us to do - do we have to arrange for anything in the social > space such as refreshments, or is that available from StudioZ? I need to know exp

Re: news@jakarta

2002-03-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/7/02 4:48 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Or call it usefull-tidbits or something :-), gossip@, watercooler@, > the-bar@, coffeshop@, wathever ;-) Something clearly meant for > out of scope things. > How about 'ot@' -- Geir Magnusson Jr.

Re: One more time...JakartaOne

2002-03-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/7/02 4:48 PM, "Jon Scott Stevens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, given that there is only 19 days until the 26th and given that I > haven't seen any discussion about JakartaOne other than some 'ideas' that > people keep throwing out there (and no actual committee being formed to > handle

news@jakarta

2002-03-07 Thread dirkx
Or call it usefull-tidbits or something :-), gossip@, watercooler@, the-bar@, coffeshop@, wathever ;-) Something clearly meant for out of scope things. Dw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: For additional commands, e-mail:

One more time...JakartaOne

2002-03-07 Thread Jon Scott Stevens
Well, given that there is only 19 days until the 26th and given that I haven't seen any discussion about JakartaOne other than some 'ideas' that people keep throwing out there (and no actual committee being formed to handle the planning and no decisions being made), it appears to me that no one he

Re: news@jakarta list? (Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker)

2002-03-07 Thread dirkx
On Fri, 8 Mar 2002, Jeff Turner wrote: > Then could we perhaps have a news@jakarta list for this sort of thing? A > lot of people find announcements like this relevant and interesting. +1 as I like those messages - but general@ should be kept clean and lean for jakarta projects an

news@jakarta list? (Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker)

2002-03-07 Thread Jeff Turner
On Thu, Mar 07, 2002 at 06:03:21PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote: > "Paul Hammant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > Enterprise Object Broker (EOB) is an application server that tries to a > > be a simpler EJB container. It is not complete yet, but we have many > > demos showing loc

Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker

2002-03-07 Thread Pier Fumagalli
"Paul Hammant" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks, > > Enterprise Object Broker (EOB) is an application server that tries to a > be a simpler EJB container. It is not complete yet, but we have many > demos showing local, remote, and webapp usage. Ok. Will we all stop using general@jakarta for

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Pier Fumagalli
"Marc Saegesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I would love to see a document describes the Apache Software License, the > philosophy behind it and why we think the ASL is a good thing. What I don't > want is another tirade about why GPL sucks. That's a "good thing" (TM) ,but, as well, I don't t

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Pier Fumagalli
"Jeff Turner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > As promised, I've written up an "ASL vs. GPL" page, for possible > inclusion on jakarta-site2. I've more tried to capture the spirit of the > thing from the Apache POV, than duplicate the detailed arguments in the > O'Reilly article referenced a

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

2002-03-07 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Hi Stefano, I totally agree, here is the problem: I've offered to write this script provided with the relevant server/directory information. I've offered to help however I can to get the POI website up, the builds and releases up, etc. No one has taken me up on it. Via CVS is the ONLY way mod

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On 3/7/02 8:06 AM, "Danny Angus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Ceki, > >> My own personal experience indicates that if you first seek consesus >> before acting, you are likely to never get anywhere. Regards, Ceki > > Point taken, however in this case surely some degree of peer approval needs

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Danny Angus
Ceki, > My own personal experience indicates that if you first seek consesus > before acting, you are likely to never get anywhere. Regards, Ceki Point taken, however in this case surely some degree of peer approval needs to be gained before people publicly express views as the views of the pro

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Ceki Gulcu
>Ceki are you sure? >>I think we definitely need a solid document countering the >> idyllic but false world depicted >> by the FSF. > >I agree with comments you have made already, about the importance of licence >and legal to ASF, Jakarta, and individuals involved, but I'm still not >convinced th

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Ceki Gulcu
Hi Alex, You are absolutely right. I thought I had this one nailed but apparently not. Thank you for pointing out my mistake. Regards, Ceki >> Asunto: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? >> The "Working Without Copyleft" article is remarkably good. The point >> about the FSF controlling t

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Ted Husted
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=license http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=licence alex wrote: > > At 09:16 07/03/02, Danny Angus wrote: > > > It is spelled licence. ;-) > > Wow - we managed to correct Jon on a technical point! (Just kidding Jon - > no offence) > > licenSe is what Apac

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread alex
At 09:16 07/03/02, Danny Angus wrote: > > It is spelled licence. ;-) Wow - we managed to correct Jon on a technical point! (Just kidding Jon - no offence) licenSe is what Apache Software Foundation does - ie the act of licensing. licenCe is the document or permit given - eg the file itself.

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Danny Angus
> you have the option of following the terms and conditions > either of that version or of any later version published by the Free > Software Foundation. If the Library does not specify a license version > number, you may choose any version ever published by the Free Software > Foundation." Sou

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro
Hi Ceki, > -Mensaje original- > De: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Enviado el: miércoles 6 de marzo de 2002 23:39 > Para: Jakarta General List [snip] > Asunto: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > The "Working Without Copyleft" article is remarkably good. The point > ab

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Jeff Schnitzer
> From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > The question is: "How do you want to spend your time?" > > Possible answers: > > 1> Fighting an "unwinnable" (defined as the argument having a logical > conclusion where one side overwhelmingly wins) religious war with the > GNU hordes (hi

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Danny Angus
It is spelled licence. ;-) > -Original Message- > From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 1:35 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay? > > > on 3/6/02 5:29 PM, "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wr

Introducing Enterprise Object Broker

2002-03-07 Thread Paul Hammant
Folks, Enterprise Object Broker (EOB) is an application server that tries to a be a simpler EJB container. It is not complete yet, but we have many demos showing local, remote, and webapp usage. Take a look at http://eob.sourceforge.net/ Features: * Not J2EE compliant. * Real Java int

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Danny Angus
Ceki are you sure? >I think we definitely need a solid document countering the > idyllic but false world depicted > by the FSF. I agree with comments you have made already, about the importance of licence and legal to ASF, Jakarta, and individuals involved, but I'm still not convinced that this(