RE: Why Sun won't certify JBoss (was Re: Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore)
I can verify this point; It is my understanding that huge corporations like banks (especially in france - they have trouble coming to BEA) will always come close to IBM due to their long time partnership snip JBoss would be into these corporations tomorrow, then they will face a problem of training/support, There is a Big Bank near here that we have been involved with, who cannot purchase anything [not even cost free items] unless IBM Global Services approve it, because IBMGS have won the training/support contract for the banks systems and will be responsible for supporting the new aquisition. IBMGS are therefore obviously going to increase their margin by only supporting a small core of products, hardware and software, and making the required purchase of a product which may be a very poor match for the specifications, but financially worthwhile for IBMGS and the Bank. That is a true story. The bank have a software division developing core banking systems. Because of IBMGS involvement the bank has had to make a single desktop machine specification for every seat in the organisation, thus a developer working on core banking will be expected to use the same hardware/software environment as a financial adviser working in a remote branch. Apparently IBMGS dont support Linux, IT professionals were reduced to sneaking it in under their cloaks in order to evaluate it. And because IBM have a Big Name my Bank are prepared to shift all of the responsibility for IT support onto them for a fixed fee. Vive la difference. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
- Original Message - From: Leo Simons [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 8:59 PM Subject: RE: Printable pages Berin: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. Jon: Correct. Me: I don't know much about anakia, but I know more about xhtml and css than I do about java (sadly so =). I'll volunteer. http://www.leosimons.com/scratchpad (note I tried to put this in CVS but have no karma so...) Here's a design I've had lying around adapted to Jakarta. Two screen shots using IE 5.5, one is normal the other is print preview. I should be able to make this work (more or less, at least) in everything from NS2.x upwards. HTML also available for browsing. The main problem is the code sections. If the line is too long to fit on screen or page, it causes the entire page to break out, which is ugly. The only thing I can think of is to use a css float: left directive with @print, which cuts of a bit of the code. That, and adapting the pages manually to keep the line length at bay. Suggestions? Of course, colors are adaptable to current ones if desired... thoughts? Is this wanted? Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands IMHO, just a couple of points though. I like the Apache.org Jakarta Avalon Framework: depth indication - would be great to see this applied across the board. I can't decide which way around I like the logos at the top but in this arrangement the jakarta.gif could do with losing the whitespace to the right because at the moment it looks all misaligned - especially when squashed in print (maybe we could use half size versions in print - not thought this through yet though). I like the menu on the left being boxed but can't see how its that useful in print - why not use a @print display:none so that browsers with decent css / printing support don't print it at all - this would allow lots more space for printing, and so less concern about overflowing code. Colour scheme looks great on screen (quite like the print version for screen too - but bolder is probably better), but in print my preference is for high contrast and so I would prefer black rather than grey for the headings - If its going to come out grey on black and white printers then maybe choose the blue instead to add a bit more contrast to colour prints. Just my 2p, Rob cheers, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: JakartaOne: The Gathering
If there are legos around, I might not do much else but play with them! One of the cool things about having kids is that you get to play with their toys without looking like a complete fool. :-) Marc Saegesser -Original Message- From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 25, 2002 12:47 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering I've printed a scaled-up copy of The Jakarta Project logo, and am hoping to tape it up, or make it otherwise visible, somewhere in the bar, so that we can find each other. Alternatively, Dirk's Lego project idea might help, although it's been a very long time since I played with Lego... :-) -- Martin Cooper - Original Message - From: Marc Saegesser [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 4:32 PM Subject: RE: JakartaOne: The Gathering I'll be there. I'm in SF now, for the conference. Any idea how to identify Jakarta group? I've only met a couple in person before. Marc Saegesser -Original Message- From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 1:36 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering OK, we need to make a decision, pronto! Let's meet at 21st Amendment (563 2nd Street) at 7:30pm on Monday. We can take the rest from there. Martin. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 11:24 AM Subject: Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering Jon, can you suggest a place that isn't too far away from Moscone that has a large bar (with real beer...) we can gather in, with a reasonably-priced restaurant that we can then have dinner in? Cuisine can be anything, but a 'normal' american upscale bar menu might be the most appealing to the majority. How about Monday or Wed night? How about the Thirsty Bear? I don't know anything about the place - isn't that where the Jboss people are holding court? Soapy Bear is horrid- they clean their tubes badly, use too much detergent when they do, and as a result you get old yeast and other crap. Always a headache the next day. I'd also be against the Irish place - too noisy to talk :-) Other near by ones which are good to OK IMHO, have good beer and good food are and are quiet enough to talk: Rickenbacher bar; 2nd and mission 21st Amendment; 2nd 2 blocks down. Dw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Printable pages
thoughts? Is this wanted? Looks good to me, certainly better than the avalon section as it stands IMHO, just a couple of points though. I like the Apache.org Jakarta Avalon Framework: depth indication - would be great to see this applied across the board. I can't decide which way around I like the logos at the top but in this nor can I =) Probably the current arrangement is better. (maybe we could use half size versions in print - not thought this through yet though). that's what I would like to do. To apply this across the board means we need to create smaller logos for all projects first, because text might become unreadable otherwise. I like the menu on the left being boxed but can't see how its that useful in print - why not use a @print display:none I haven't actually done a print-specific stylesheet yet. The print preview was more to show what would print for browsers that don't support @print. (my IE has background printing disabled by default, so it decides to print the headers in grey for some reason) Will do as suggested tho'. but in print my preference is for high contrast and so I would prefer black rather than grey for the headings - If its going to come out grey on black and white printers then maybe choose the blue instead to add a bit more contrast to colour prints. my thoughts exactly...will do. Just my 2p, thanks! regards, - Leo __ Launch your own web site Today! Create a Web site for your family, friends, photos, or a special event. Visit: http://www.namezero.com/sitebuilder -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering
Subject: Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Can anyone come or do you have to be a Jakarta Comitter? Vic Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 3/25/02 1:30 AM, Yoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, JakartaOne attandee. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JakartaOne: The Gathering Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 16:44:39 -0800 (PST) The bar is not big. And any developer arriving early is bound to play with the Lego bricks provided at the bar. Assume that any one who has build a three tier or higher construct using bricks of more than one colour (of which at least one is red) is an apache develeoper. I'll be there on Monday night. And I'll be JakartaOne on Tuesday night, too. There will be no JakartaOne on Tuesday night. The meeting, which is informal, will be on Monday. geir -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering
On 3/25/02 10:40 AM, Jakarta General Newsgroup (@Basebeans.com) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: Re: JakartaOne: The Gathering From: Vic Cekvenich [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Can anyone come or do you have to be a Jakarta Comitter? Anyone and everyone. -- Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting My inner cowboy needs to yodel. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
