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2002-05-14 Thread Alef Arendsen

Hi all,

Is there a maven mailing list available? I could not find one on the site...

thnx,

alef

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Re: Maven mailing list

2002-05-14 Thread Pier Fumagalli

Alef Arendsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi all,
 
 Is there a maven mailing list available? I could not find one on the site...

turbine-maven-dev and turbine-maven-user @ jakarta


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Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Alex McLintock

At 14:56 13/05/2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
This list a place where we can talk-discuss about Commercial support to
Jakarta projects.

But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects - I'm mostly interested 
in the Apache xml projects.

Oh well I've subscribed anyway.

Thanks!

Alex



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[EGO]RE: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Danny Angus

 But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects

Well you should be. 
They're all great, and we're all great guys.

d.

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is DNS ok?

2002-05-14 Thread Danny Angus

11:01:34   Request from 192.168.0.3 for MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
11:01:34   Sending request to ns.hyperreal.org. (209.133.83.22) for
MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
11:01:34   Reply from 209.133.83.22 about MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.:
11:01:34   - Answer: No Matching Records available.
11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
[2002041601]
11:01:34   Sending reply to 192.168.0.3 about MX-record for
jakarta.apache.org.:
11:01:34   - Answer: No MX-Records available for jakarta.apache.org.
11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
[2002041601]

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Re: [EGO]RE: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Alex McLintock

At 11:01 14/05/2002, Danny Angus wrote:
  But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects

Well you should be.
They're all great, and we're all great guys.

d.

Please re-read the sentence above. It should parse that I am interested in 
Jakarta projects but I am also interested in the Apache web server, the 
Apache XML projects, and the Apache perl projects, none of which have 
anything to do with Jakarta. Nicola suggested that the new mailing list 
(which I have just subscribed to) is only for Jakarta projects. I intend to 
ignore that :-)

I presume I may publicise the new list elsewhere?

Alex




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Re: [EGO]RE: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Nicola Ken Barozzi

From: Alex McLintock [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 At 11:01 14/05/2002, Danny Angus wrote:
   But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects
 
 Well you should be.
 They're all great, and we're all great guys.
 
 d.

 Please re-read the sentence above. It should parse that I am interested in
 Jakarta projects but I am also interested in the Apache web server, the
 Apache XML projects, and the Apache perl projects, none of which have
 anything to do with Jakarta. Nicola suggested that the new mailing list
 (which I have just subscribed to) is only for Jakarta projects. I intend
to
 ignore that :-)

:-)

Well, basically the idea was more about Apache java projects, but there is
no limit.

Topic: Apache commercial, mainly Java but not only.

 I presume I may publicise the new list elsewhere?

Of course  :-)

http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/krysalis-jakarta-adv

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Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

You do realize you just said that on general@jakarta ;-)

Alex McLintock wrote:

 At 14:56 13/05/2002, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:

 This list a place where we can talk-discuss about Commercial support to
 Jakarta projects.


 But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects - I'm mostly 
 interested in the Apache xml projects.

 Oh well I've subscribed anyway.

 Thanks!

 Alex



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[METO] Re: [EGO]RE: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Danny Angus wrote:

But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects



Well you should be. 
They're all great, and we're all great guys.
  


+1

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Re: is DNS ok?

2002-05-14 Thread Pier Fumagalli

Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 11:01:34   Request from 192.168.0.3 for MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
 11:01:34   Sending request to ns.hyperreal.org. (209.133.83.22) for
 MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
 11:01:34   Reply from 209.133.83.22 about MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.:
 11:01:34   - Answer: No Matching Records available.
 11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
 [2002041601]
 11:01:34   Sending reply to 192.168.0.3 about MX-record for
 jakarta.apache.org.:
 11:01:34   - Answer: No MX-Records available for jakarta.apache.org.
 11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
 [2002041601]

Yes, it is... MX is used to override an A record, for example since we have
no A record for Apache.ORG, we have a MX record, but jakarta.apache.org has
an A record (63.251.56.142), therefore, no problems with that...

Pier


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RE: is DNS ok?

2002-05-14 Thread Danny Angus

Oh, ok.
I thought that trying the A record was a last-ditch attempt once every means
of getting an MX record had failed.
d.


 -Original Message-
 From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: 14 May 2002 13:55
 To: Jakarta General List
 Subject: Re: is DNS ok?


 Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  11:01:34   Request from 192.168.0.3 for MX-record for
 jakarta.apache.org.
  11:01:34   Sending request to ns.hyperreal.org. (209.133.83.22) for
  MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
  11:01:34   Reply from 209.133.83.22 about MX-record for
 jakarta.apache.org.:
  11:01:34   - Answer: No Matching Records available.
  11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
  [2002041601]
  11:01:34   Sending reply to 192.168.0.3 about MX-record for
  jakarta.apache.org.:
  11:01:34   - Answer: No MX-Records available for jakarta.apache.org.
  11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
  [2002041601]

 Yes, it is... MX is used to override an A record, for example
 since we have
 no A record for Apache.ORG, we have a MX record, but
 jakarta.apache.org has
 an A record (63.251.56.142), therefore, no problems with that...

 Pier


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Re: is DNS ok?

2002-05-14 Thread Pier Fumagalli

Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Oh, ok.
 I thought that trying the A record was a last-ditch attempt once every means
 of getting an MX record had failed.

It is... First you check if you have an MX, if you don't you check if you
have A, if you don't you fail... But given that most of the times all those
info are cached by your DNS, it shouldn't take more than a handful of millis
and few UDP packets...

Pier


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Re: is DNS ok?

2002-05-14 Thread jean-frederic clere

Danny Angus wrote:
 11:01:34   Request from 192.168.0.3 for MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
 11:01:34   Sending request to ns.hyperreal.org. (209.133.83.22) for
 MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.
 11:01:34   Reply from 209.133.83.22 about MX-record for jakarta.apache.org.:
 11:01:34   - Answer: No Matching Records available.
 11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
 [2002041601]
 11:01:34   Sending reply to 192.168.0.3 about MX-record for
 jakarta.apache.org.:
 11:01:34   - Answer: No MX-Records available for jakarta.apache.org.
 11:01:34   - Authority: SOA-record for apache.org. = ns.hyperreal.org.
 [2002041601]

Why jakarta.apache.org and not apache.org:
+++
bash-2.05$ nslookup -query=MX apache.org
Server:  fscdns.mch.fsc.net
Address:  172.25.80.6

Non-authoritative answer:
apache.org  preference = 10, mail exchanger = mail.apache.org

Authoritative answers can be found from:
apache.org  nameserver = NS1.COVALENT.NET
apache.org  nameserver = NS.HYPERREAL.org
mail.apache.org internet address = 63.251.56.142
NS1.COVALENT.NETinternet address = 64.84.21.103
NS.HYPERREAL.orginternet address = 209.133.83.22
+++

 
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Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Henri Yandell


I took it as tongue in cheek :) I mean...who wouldn't be interested solely
in Jakarta. It beggar's belief.

On Tue, 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 You do realize you just said that on general@jakarta ;-)

 Alex McLintock wrote:

 
  But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects - I'm mostly
  interested in the Apache xml projects.
 


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Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

hehe

Henri Yandell wrote:

I took it as tongue in cheek :) I mean...who wouldn't be interested solely
in Jakarta. It beggar's belief.

On Tue, 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

  

You do realize you just said that on general@jakarta ;-)

Alex McLintock wrote:



But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects - I'm mostly
interested in the Apache xml projects.

  



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[Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Please see:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html

If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-)
) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for
mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail
lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at
jakarta-site2 committer discretion.  

If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form
of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things. 
I'm not interested in creating the vendor superpage.

Thanks,

-Andy

PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment.  Its
undergoing upgrades.  It'll be back up at the end of the week.


On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
 +1 from me.
 
 While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with
 the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list
 for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their
 consultant services to the general list.
 
 Hen
 
 On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
 
  +1 to all of that.
 
  - Leo
 
   Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies  -- lets innovate
   it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who
   support Apache Jakarta software.  I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a
   rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they
   are there for.
  
   This does a few things:
  
   1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software
   (not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people
   here including myself as I like working with GOOD software)
  
   2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta,
   won't annoy people who might otherwise use them.
  
   3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on.
  
   4. God I don't need more spam.  My spam filter entries will one day
   reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on.
 
 
 
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Re: [METO] Re: [EGO]RE: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

how funny I even misspelled metoo ;-)

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 08:23, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
 Danny Angus wrote:
 
 But I'm not just interested in the Jakarta projects
 
 
 
 Well you should be. 
 They're all great, and we're all great guys.
   
 
 
 +1
 
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

Morgan Delagrange wrote:

--- Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  

Please see:

http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html

If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do
on my lunch break ;-)
)



Doesn't there need to be some legalese?  Jakarta does
not endorse those vendors; that should probably be
noted.
  

IANAL

-- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll
supply a patch for
mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial
ads to the mail
lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to
be applied at
jakarta-site2 committer discretion.  



So, if a committer is competing with another company,
he can veto that company's patches?  How is this
governed, while still maintaining our integrity as a
non-for-profit volunteer organization?
  

No, but if you send a patch for ASP development and its completely
irrelevant to jakarta and no one feels like committing it then *shrug*.  
I'll commit patches for whomever no matter what they're doing as long
as its relevant to jakarta and I have time (read: I'm doing something I
actually feel like doing and there is a patch I'll apply it at the same 
time).

I think this is preferrable to ads cross posted on the mail lists.

-Andy

  

If you have minor suggestions for this, please
supply them in the form
of commits or patches that correct any minor errors
or improve things. 
I'm not interested in creating the vendor
superpage.

Thanks,

-Andy

PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at
the moment.  Its
undergoing upgrades.  It'll be back up at the end of
the week.


On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:


+1 from me.

While it's nice to see committers who are able to
  

commercially work with


the experience they gain/use here, it would be
  

very demeaning to the list


for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other
  

to post their


consultant services to the general list.

Hen

On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:

  

+1 to all of that.

- Leo



Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java
  

companies  -- lets innovate


it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here
  

are companies and folks who


support Apache Jakarta software.  I volunteer.
  

Secondly, lets Make a


rule NOT to post advertising to the mail
  

lists, that is NOT what they


are there for.

This does a few things:

1. Provides a good rationale to companies to
  

use Apache Jakarta Software


(not a specific goal of the group but a
  

personal goal of several people


here including myself as I like working with
  

GOOD software)


2. Gives those companies a place to post thats
  

relevant to Jakarta,


won't annoy people who might otherwise use
  

them.


3. Give those companies a high visability web
  

page to advertise on.


4. God I don't need more spam.  My spam filter
  

entries will one day


reach the limit on the number of strings I can
  

match on.



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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Morgan Delagrange


--- Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Please see:
 
 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html
 
 If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do
 on my lunch break ;-)
 )

Doesn't there need to be some legalese?  Jakarta does
not endorse those vendors; that should probably be
noted.

 -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll
 supply a patch for
 mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial
 ads to the mail
 lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to
 be applied at
 jakarta-site2 committer discretion.  

So, if a committer is competing with another company,
he can veto that company's patches?  How is this
governed, while still maintaining our integrity as a
non-for-profit volunteer organization?

 If you have minor suggestions for this, please
 supply them in the form
 of commits or patches that correct any minor errors
 or improve things. 
 I'm not interested in creating the vendor
 superpage.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Andy
 
 PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at
 the moment.  Its
 undergoing upgrades.  It'll be back up at the end of
 the week.
 
 
 On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
  +1 from me.
  
  While it's nice to see committers who are able to
 commercially work with
  the experience they gain/use here, it would be
 very demeaning to the list
  for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other
 to post their
  consultant services to the general list.
  
  Hen
  
  On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
  
   +1 to all of that.
  
   - Leo
  
Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java
 companies  -- lets innovate
it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here
 are companies and folks who
support Apache Jakarta software.  I volunteer.
 Secondly, lets Make a
rule NOT to post advertising to the mail
 lists, that is NOT what they
are there for.
   
This does a few things:
   
1. Provides a good rationale to companies to
 use Apache Jakarta Software
(not a specific goal of the group but a
 personal goal of several people
here including myself as I like working with
 GOOD software)
   
2. Gives those companies a place to post thats
 relevant to Jakarta,
won't annoy people who might otherwise use
 them.
   
3. Give those companies a high visability web
 page to advertise on.
   
4. God I don't need more spam.  My spam filter
 entries will one day
reach the limit on the number of strings I can
 match on.
  
  
  
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread costinm


Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, or only for companies that 
support Apache projects ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?

I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.

Costin
 

On 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 Please see:
 
 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html
 
 If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-)
 ) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for
 mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail
 lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at
 jakarta-site2 committer discretion.  
 
 If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form
 of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things. 
 I'm not interested in creating the vendor superpage.
 
 Thanks,
 
 -Andy
 
 PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment.  Its
 undergoing upgrades.  It'll be back up at the end of the week.
 
 
 On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
  +1 from me.
  
  While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work with
  the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the list
  for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their
  consultant services to the general list.
  
  Hen
  
  On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
  
   +1 to all of that.
  
   - Leo
  
Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies  -- lets innovate
it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and folks who
support Apache Jakarta software.  I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make a
rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what they
are there for.
   
This does a few things:
   
1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta Software
(not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several people
here including myself as I like working with GOOD software)
   
2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta,
won't annoy people who might otherwise use them.
   
3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on.
   
4. God I don't need more spam.  My spam filter entries will one day
reach the limit on the number of strings I can match on.
  
  
  
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Leo Simons

 Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,

-1

 or only for companies that 
 support Apache projects

+1

 ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?

-1

I think it should just be a these are some companies providing
commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than
that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for
apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
any kind of rank.

There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).

 I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
 in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.

That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
headaches).

Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...

cheers,

- Leo



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RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread James Mitchell

Alphabetical?  Now that's just not fair!

JM
ZZZ Technologies Inc.





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  Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,

 -1

  or only for companies that
  support Apache projects

 +1

  ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?

 -1

 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing
 commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than
 that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
 authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for
 apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
 any kind of rank.

 There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
 page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
 want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).

  I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
  in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.

 That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
 of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
 the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
 headaches).

 Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...

 cheers,

 - Leo



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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread costinm

On 14 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:

  ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
 
 -1
 
 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing
 commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than
 that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
 authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for
 apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
 any kind of rank.

Wouldn't be better for them to just use google's directory for that ( == 
dmoz.org ) ?

I have a slight preference for the companies that do actually contribute
code/people - if they want to be listed on jakarta that's fine. 


Costin


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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver


 Wouldn't be better for them to just use google's directory for that ( == 
 dmoz.org ) ?
 
 I have a slight preference for the companies that do actually contribute
 code/people - if they want to be listed on jakarta that's fine. 
 

I've no preference.  Go ahead and alter the page (via patch which I'll
apply or commit) to read this way if you like.  If there isn't any
resistance in the next day or so I'll submit the corresponding patch to
the mail pointing people to this page and submitting patches to it as
opposed to posting advertisements to the list.

-Andy

 
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RE: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

:-D descending alphabetical order is fine with me as well ;-)  Go ahead
and submit patches or commit that reflect this view ;-)

-Andy

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:26, James Mitchell wrote:
 Alphabetical?  Now that's just not fair!
 
 JM
 ZZZ Technologies Inc.
 
 
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 5:20 PM
  To: Jakarta General List
  Subject: Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists
 
 
   Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,
 
  -1
 
   or only for companies that
   support Apache projects
 
  +1
 
   ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
 
  -1
 
  I think it should just be a these are some companies providing
  commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than
  that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
  authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for
  apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
  any kind of rank.
 
  There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
  page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
  want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).
 
   I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
   in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.
 
  That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
  of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
  the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
  headaches).
 
  Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...
 
  cheers,
 
  - Leo
 
 
 
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

On Tue, 2002-05-14 at 17:19, Leo Simons wrote:
  Is this for any vendor who wants free ads,
 
 -1

agreed. -1.
 
  or only for companies that 
  support Apache projects
 
 +1
 

exactly.

  ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?
 
 -1

I have no opinion on that.  I'm fine with either way.

 
 I think it should just be a these are some companies providing
 commercial support for jakarta, and there should be no more ties than
 that. Gets messy to quickly. The page should reflect (thinking of an
 authority we all know) a search on google about commercial support for
 apache software, but sorted categorically/alphabetically rather than by
 any kind of rank.
 

-1 Those who wish to be listed should submit patches to list
themselves.  This also forms a bit of  natural quality assurance. 
If they are too dumb to figure out how to submit a patch, then its a
public service not to list them ;-).

 There should be a note on the page probably mentioning that this is the
 page its sole intention, and that companies can request addition if they
 want (in the form of a patch, I'd say).
 

I'm very okay with you doing that.

  I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
  in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.
 
 That is, of course, up to individual projects. I'm not really in favor
 of it (what if there's a new company providing support, giving a client
 the distro, and not being listed on that page...too many possible
 headaches).
 

I have no opinion on that.

 Sorry, Andy, no time for lunch for me today so no patch either...


Well I'm sure if it is important enough to you you'll find time.  If its
not then well its not to me either ;-)

-Andy

 
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Re: [Actual Action Taken] Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-14 Thread dion


If the point of this page is to stop posting of project specific products,
e.g. Struts IDE, Ant editors, Maven plugins to the project lists, I think
it's misguided.

Why? From a project perspective, you will subscribe only to those lists you
are interested in. If someone updates vendor.html, noone on the mailing
lists will notice, so there will still be a need to post to the mailing
list to ensure the project users know.

If it's a list of vendors using jakarta or selling services, fine. But
let's be clear about what it is. Up until now, I think Struts is the only
project that lists external resources/consultants/companies that support
the product.
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Work:  http://www.multitask.com.au
Developers: http://adslgateway.multitask.com.au/developers


   

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to Jakarta

General List  

   

   






Is this for any vendor who wants free ads, or only for companies that
support Apache projects ( and pay the salary for apache commiters ) ?

I think it would be fair and nice if projects would include such a page
in the releases, maybe next to the list of commiters who wrote the code.

Costin


On 14 May 2002, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

 Please see:

 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html

 If this is acceptable (this is the best I could do on my lunch break ;-)
 ) -- I'll go ahead and update the site and I'll supply a patch for
 mail.html that asks that folks don't post commercial ads to the mail
 lists rather supply a patch for the vendor page to be applied at
 jakarta-site2 committer discretion.

 If you have minor suggestions for this, please supply them in the form
 of commits or patches that correct any minor errors or improve things.
 I'm not interested in creating the vendor superpage.

 Thanks,

 -Andy

 PS I realize www.superlinksoftware.com is down at the moment.  Its
 undergoing upgrades.  It'll be back up at the end of the week.


 On Mon, 2002-05-13 at 09:32, Henri Yandell wrote:
  +1 from me.
 
  While it's nice to see committers who are able to commercially work
with
  the experience they gain/use here, it would be very demeaning to the
list
  for every company who are using jsp/servlets/other to post their
  consultant services to the general list.
 
  Hen
 
  On 13 May 2002, Leo Simons wrote:
 
   +1 to all of that.
  
   - Leo
  
Sun Micro, has a page of here are Java companies  -- lets
innovate
it and put up a similar Jakarta page -- Here are companies and
folks who
support Apache Jakarta software.  I volunteer. Secondly, lets Make
a
rule NOT to post advertising to the mail lists, that is NOT what
they
are there for.
   
This does a few things:
   
1. Provides a good rationale to companies to use Apache Jakarta
Software
(not a specific goal of the group but a personal goal of several
people
here including myself as I like working with GOOD software)
   
2. Gives those companies a place to post thats relevant to Jakarta,
won't annoy people who might otherwise use them.
   
3. Give those companies a high visability web page to advertise on.
   
4. God I don't need more spam.  My spam filter entries will one day
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