RE: [POLL] OS of choice
I already have an account setup, but need Karma. Can you help me with this? -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 8:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [POLL] OS of choice on 2002/12/17 1:15 PM, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A nice idea, and a simple way of adding in the votes, but with the issue that people without access to jakarta-site2 are unable to commit changes. I'm sorry, but I'm so tired of hearing that lame excuse over and over again, even though it is CLEARLY DOCUMENTED as being untrue for YEARS NOW. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html People who have accounts on apache.org can check in their changes to the jakarta-site2 module directly. If you get an error such as Access denied: Insufficient Karma, then please send email to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list and we will grant you the appropriate access. If you do not have an account, then please feel free to send patches (against the .xml files and not the .html files!) to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing list. -jon -- James Mitchell Software Engineer/Struts Evangelist http://www.open-tools.org C makes it easy to shoot yourself in the foot; C++ makes it harder, but when you do, it blows away your whole leg. - Bjarne Stroustrup -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
on 2002/12/18 9:19 PM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think the point was that we also need people to review the commits and people to vote on the release. Thanks for volunteering. I don't know what final would mean - if bugs are found that affect projects using regexp ( like tomcat which AFAIK has a dependency ) - then I hope it'll still be possible to fix them. Read what I wrote. It means it will be the last release of the jakarta-regexp project. Given that you haven't fixed any of the bugs or done any of the work on this project, what the hell are you talking about? My opinion about stable projects like regexp: we should change the I just stopped reading after you said my opinion. BTW - thanks for taking the time to fix the bugs in regexp, and congratulations to the jakarta-regexp team for completing the project ! :-) Thanks for being a complete idiot Costin. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Various answers, in no particular order: This is a chairman's report. Typically, these appear after a time delay (once approved in a subsequent meeting) at http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html . I raised the issue about Tapestry in yesterday's board meeting. Jim Jagielski agreed to contact Andy ASAP. First thing after the holidays would be a good time to pursue XDoclet. It's time to unpause. ;-) Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and express your desires as to where this codebase would land within the ASF. My opinion is that subprojects that lack community due to stability should become community property. Perhaps commit messages should be directed to general@. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [POLL] OS of choice
glens and jmitchell now have karma to jakarta-site2 - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
On 18/12/02 19:00 Doug Bateman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Seeing clarification: Is Sam's post here the official report from the PMC, or a summary of a PMC report posted elsewhere? Looking at the news page, I see a summary for status of each individual project in Jakarta, but no summary of the status and growth of Jakarta as a whole. For example, PMC interest in slowing/stopping the imperialistic expansion isn't directly mentioned on the page, and yet is of interest to the community as a whole (users and developers). Those should be integrated (IMO) in Rob's Newsletters... Now, if only the different projects fed him some content pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI: Follow up on the XML'ization of MS Office 11
On 17/12/02 18:03 Dominique Devienne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... which follows the SUN and MS bashing thread where this subject was brushed on. I'm just forwarding the news, no need to shoot/flame the messenger. Thanks, --DD From: xmlhack daily news digest: 17 Dec 2002 Microsoft Office embraces XML http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1839 http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1839 For many participants, the most memorable event of XML 2002 will be Jean Paoli's presentation of Office 11, which promises to deliver easier access to XML for hundreds of millions of work stations. (Tools, Comment: 20:28 16 Dec 2002 UTC) Lame... Since ages we got http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ which has (I'm sure), less bugs than MS' implementation of it... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)
On 17/12/02 7:14 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently (slowly) working on this: http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst others, be dependant on Gump data. Simple hint... Don't call it Trove... http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/ It's a pretty-famous widely-used set of utility classes used by Tea (a template engine). And given that they went open-source with it because of us (well, Brian and Duncan) we don't want to step on friends' toes, right??? :-) :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jakarta PMC report
This is a chairman's report. Typically, these appear after a time delay (once approved in a subsequent meeting) at http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html . thats what I thought, but I don't see any recent jakarta ones. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)
I really like Bambi :) Mvgr, Martin On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 14:34, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 17/12/02 7:14 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently (slowly) working on this: http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst others, be dependant on Gump data. Simple hint... Don't call it Trove... http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/ It's a pretty-famous widely-used set of utility classes used by Tea (a template engine). And given that they went open-source with it because of us (well, Brian and Duncan) we don't want to step on friends' toes, right??? :-) :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: FYI: Follow up on the XML'ization of MS Office 11
I find it rather amusing that you need Office 11 to have ACCESS to XML. After all XML has been so restricted until now ;-). Regardless, I hope (I think) Micorsoft REALLY makes Office XML compliant such that it behaves nicely in Office. Currently you can save it as a kinda XML format but its not usable in a server situation because of Office's quirks, IE-Office quirks (oddly enough this works better with Netscape 4.x+), and tendency to CRASH on non-insubstantial documents or just take for flippin ever (in a way that just doesn't make sense if they are parsing using any parser I've ever used).. If Microsoft ACTUALLY does this, than after a short period I'll consider POI to be kin to ECS (http://jakarta.apache.org/ecs/); however, I wouldn't pre-reserve my copy just yet or start a big Finally Microsoft embraces open file formats yet... I sold my stock in MS a long time ago when I realized they had no credibility (which made me rather uncomfortable as a relatively conservative investor...my IBM stock did better anyhow when you count the dividends). -Andy From: xmlhack daily news digest: 17 Dec 2002 Microsoft Office embraces XML http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1839 http://xmlhack.com/read.php?item=1839 For many participants, the most memorable event of XML 2002 will be Jean Paoli's presentation of Office 11, which promises to deliver easier access to XML for hundreds of millions of work stations. (Tools, Comment: 20:28 16 Dec 2002 UTC) Lame... Since ages we got http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/ which has (I'm sure), less bugs than MS' implementation of it... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)
On 19/12/02 13:49 Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Trove is also Sourceforge's categorization system. I suspect that is where the name was taken from. If you'd like to publicize Tea more, why not put it on the Elsewhere news on the front page? (not being sarcastic, its an honest suggestion) Jason's servlet book publicises it enough! :-) And given that it's not an ASF project... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Danny Angus wrote: This is a chairman's report. Typically, these appear after a time delay (once approved in a subsequent meeting) at http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html . thats what I thought, but I don't see any recent jakarta ones. Bad, Jakarta chairman, bad. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: BTW - thanks for taking the time to fix the bugs in regexp, and congratulations to the jakarta-regexp team for completing the project ! :-) Thanks for being a complete idiot Costin. I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal, and should eventually reach the goal in a finite amount of time. The fact that jakarta-regexp just works and has met its goals is a very positive thing. And the team that worked on it deserve ( sincere ) congratulations ( including you, Jon ). Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? Big +1 Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
on 2002/12/19 8:04 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal, and should eventually reach the goal in a finite amount of time. The fact that jakarta-regexp just works and has met its goals is a very positive thing. And the team that worked on it deserve ( sincere ) congratulations ( including you, Jon ). Costin Yup, just like Tomcat 3...which should have reached its goal years ago. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 12:21, Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? Yes! Big +0 with the emphasis on the + ( Not that I am a big fan of gump, but moving out of the proposal area can only make it better! =) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 12:21 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? As a 'consumer' who benefitted from the daily Gumps of the codebases here at Jakarta, +0 from me. (I have no time to help - but I think a good idea...) -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-2219(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 2002/12/19 8:04 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal, and should eventually reach the goal in a finite amount of time. The fact that jakarta-regexp just works and has met its goals is a very positive thing. And the team that worked on it deserve ( sincere ) congratulations ( including you, Jon ). Costin Yup, just like Tomcat 3...which should have reached its goal years ago. Yes. I personally think tomcat3.3 has reached its goals ( performance, modularity, simplicity, compliance, etc ). The time it takes to reach the project goals depends on many factors. Costin -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
+1 Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
+1. Gump should be community property. Scott -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Sam Ruby wrote: Date: Thu, 19 Dec 2002 12:21:03 -0500 From: Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? I like the idea of Gump becoming community property, but should it really be only for Jakarta committers? I'm thinking in particular about groups like Ant and Avalon (recently graduated into full fledged Apache projects), as well as the XML packages that Gump also watches over. - Sam Ruby Craig McClanahan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
I would be +1 for any apache committer. -Original Message- From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 11:33 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property I like the idea of Gump becoming community property, but should it really be only for Jakarta committers? I'm thinking in particular about groups like Ant and Avalon (recently graduated into full fledged Apache projects), as well as the XML packages that Gump also watches over. - Sam Ruby Craig McClanahan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I like the idea of Gump becoming community property, but should it really be only for Jakarta committers? I'm thinking in particular about groups like Ant and Avalon (recently graduated into full fledged Apache projects), as well as the XML packages that Gump also watches over. I just dug into cvs_acls.pl, and it looks like this is possible; I'm certainly fine with that idea. - Sam Ruby P.S. Since Gump simply runs commands and captures output, there is no technical reason why it needs to be limited to Java code bases. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Jakarta PMC report
Where are the November board minutes now that they have been approved at yesterday's board meeting? Tim O'Brien W 847-574-2143 M 847-863-7045 -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 5:45 AM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: Jakarta PMC report Various answers, in no particular order: This is a chairman's report. Typically, these appear after a time delay (once approved in a subsequent meeting) at http://www.apache.org/foundation/board/calendar.html . I raised the issue about Tapestry in yesterday's board meeting. Jim Jagielski agreed to contact Andy ASAP. First thing after the holidays would be a good time to pursue XDoclet. It's time to unpause. ;-) Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and express your desires as to where this codebase would land within the ASF. My opinion is that subprojects that lack community due to stability should become community property. Perhaps commit messages should be directed to general@. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
Sam Ruby wrote: Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) +1 Conor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
Sam Ruby wrote: Craig R. McClanahan wrote: I like the idea of Gump becoming community property, but should it really be only for Jakarta committers? I'm thinking in particular about groups like Ant and Avalon (recently graduated into full fledged Apache projects), as well as the XML packages that Gump also watches over. +1 I just dug into cvs_acls.pl, and it looks like this is possible; I'm certainly fine with that idea. - Sam Ruby P.S. Since Gump simply runs commands and captures output, there is no technical reason why it needs to be limited to Java code bases. In fact it should be open to allo:-D -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[OT] Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)
Me too. And my younger stepson has a cute little voice. So he was playing with Clay and patted it into a semi-round circle and said here, it's Bambi-burger...yummm.. And I pretended to eat it... Gotta pick some more Bambi up...m (oh wait ... I forgot... I'm vegetarian this week for health reasons...darn) -Andy Martin van den Bemt wrote: I really like Bambi :) Mvgr, Martin On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 14:34, Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 17/12/02 7:14 Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm currently (slowly) working on this: http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst others, be dependant on Gump data. Simple hint... Don't call it Trove... http://teatrove.sourceforge.net/ It's a pretty-famous widely-used set of utility classes used by Tea (a template engine). And given that they went open-source with it because of us (well, Brian and Duncan) we don't want to step on friends' toes, right??? :-) :-) Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Big MONDO +1 from me with extra Sugar on top and POI and many legged insects as a side dish (those who know, know)! -Andy Thoughts? - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Yup, just like Tomcat 3...which should have reached its goal years ago. -jon The Andy theorem on general Apache Jakarta discussions continues to prove true (they all devolve into a rehash of the bad ol days of Tomcat 3.3/4)... Please don't take the bait guys... Pretty please? -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
on 2002/12/19 10:25 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Andy theorem on general Apache Jakarta discussions continues to prove true (they all devolve into a rehash of the bad ol days of Tomcat 3.3/4)... Please don't take the bait guys... Pretty please? -Andy Sorry, it is a very sore point. Many long hours went into banging my head against The Wall (Costin) and even to this day, he and I can't agree on anything. The irony of it all is that Costin ended up dropping T3 and is now working on T4/T5. If only he had listened to us back then, I wouldn't have wasted so much time. The point being that we seem to continue to do the same circle. We get people like Nicola who are similar to Costin in The Wall mindset and the same exact discussions go round and round just on different topics (ie: Maven vs. Centipede vs. Forrest vs. vs. vs. vs.). Personal growth on my part would assume that I would find a way to arrange things so that they see the light without making them feel stupid and giving them a way to win. However, with people who have The Wall mentality, I have not been able to figure out the right approach as of yet. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
The point being that we seem to continue to do the same circle. We get people like Nicola who are similar to Costin in The Wall mindset and the same exact discussions go round and round just on different topics (ie: Maven vs. Centipede vs. Forrest vs. vs. vs. vs.). Okay. I'll bite I love a good stupid moronic discussion that serves no useful purpose other than ingraciate your ego Jon :-) Personal growth on my part would assume that I would find a way to arrange things so that they see the light without making them feel stupid and giving them a way to win. However, with people who have The Wall mentality, I have not been able to figure out the right approach as of yet. Yes Jon. Point well taken. Nicola Ken needs to learn to make such unifying statements and Bring people together the way you do. Just for his education I'll post a few here: In this post Jon expresses his acceptance for other technology and how he values community and wishes to work closely together: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=102029828404481w=2 I can't stand XSL... It this post Jon expresses his preference to break down the wall: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=102038789013943w=2 I listen to the following: Code. Patches. Real suggestions for improvement. MERGE It is your itch. Not mine. In this post ken expresses his disgust with Maven and Centipede living as one project with no walls: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=102028908729985w=2 [Long proposal where Ken +1s combining Centipede and Maven and doesn't care where they live] And for the record I expressed my preference to have 2 seperate projects here: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=102026406806371w=2 Yeah so why can't these work together? I still just don't get it. Gee we don't like that lets do our own thing or integrate with anything but this or that. It just baffles the crap out of me. If I had the choice. I'd use NEITHER. I choose Centaven WITH GUMP. -Andy the pebble. So why don't you drive a combined Centipede/Maven as maybe a top level Apache project? It seems like a great way for you to break down this wall that disturbs you so. I'd certainly vote for such a proposal. I'll betcha Nicola Ken would... So Jon...did this wall REALLY develop from Nicola Ken or both You and the Maven developers who didn't want to work inclusively? You make the decision. Did Stefano drink all your beer or something? Why'd you wake up on this today eh? -Andy the confused. -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? I do. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump/stylesheet/xref.xsl?rev=1.21content-type=text/plain - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Not that this discussion has any useful point.. . But I adore the purpose and concepts behind XSLT, but I LOATHE the syntax. However, now that I know it, its not so bad. -Andy Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? I do. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump/stylesheet/xref.xsl?rev=1.21content-type=text/plain - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? I do. I actually like the declarative model I sometimes have trouble in that processing syntax is not orthogonal to the syntax of what you are generally trying to output (XML, usually). -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-2219(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Thursday, December 19, 2002, at 07:13 PM, Sam Ruby wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? I do. I actually like the declarative model I sometimes have trouble in that processing syntax is not orthogonal to the syntax of what you are generally trying to output (XML, usually). Agreed! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
+1 Not sure what I could help with, but ping me if you think of something. ;-) -- Martin Cooper On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]