A Jakarta wiki?
About a month ago a discussion occurred over on turbine-user/dev about the possibility of setting up a wiki to use for creating ad hoc documentation as well as a place to develop more formal documentation that might perhaps later be converted to xdoc for direct inclusion in the actual project site. We discussed setting something up on a non-apache server, but thought we would first seek an opinion as to whether or not an apache hosted solution might be a possibility. To this end, I posted a query to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (quoted below). The brief discussion that ensued between Brian Behlendorf, Pier Fumagalli and myself concluded that I was to liaise with Pier to set up a JSPWiki instance on nagoya. I provided Pier with some information and asked him what the next steps might be, but unfortunately Pier has become overloaded with work and has been unable to get back to me (I'm not complaining Pier - all things take time and time is a limited resource). Anyway, I have two motivations for mailing the general list: 1. To raise the profile of this request in hope of sparking some action. 2. To gain some feedback as to the desirability of widening the scope of the wiki beyond turbine. As mentioned below, Cocoon already have an external (non-apache hosted) wiki. Leo Simons has also indicated that a similar discussion has recently taken place over on the Avalon lists with the conclusion being that they too would like to set up a wiki. So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? 4. Hosting - apache.org or external 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Cheers, Scott -- Scott Eade Backstage Technologies Pty. Ltd. http://www.backstagetech.com.au .Mac Chat/AIM: seade at mac dot com On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Scott Eade wrote: On turbine-user turbine-dev (jakarta) we have been discussing the possibility of setting up a wiki to use for creating ad hoc documentation as well as a place to develop more formal documentation (perhaps we will convert it to xdoc and make it part of the real docs once we are happy with it). To this end, we are wondering if it would be possible to establish a wiki somewhere on an apache server. At this stage our desire is for a wiki that provides information about turbine and its related projects (torque, fulcrum, etc.), but perhaps the entire jakarta or even apache community could benefit from the free flow of information that is facilitated by a wiki. We are open minded about the wiki implementation to be used. There is a maven plugin that provides quite a nice customisation of the UseMod wiki. I myself have used twiki and am fairly happy with it. Cocoon uses an externally hosted JSPWiki which looks pretty good (being a Java person I would probably have used this in preference to twiki had I found it earlier). Anyway, what are the chances of getting something set up on an apache server? What would I need to do to get something happening? Thanks, Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Jakarta wiki?
I haven't used JSPWiki, but I have used the Python-based MoinMoin and really, really like it. I just took a quick look at JSPWiki and I wouldn't be surprised if it's feature set is based on MoinMoin (or vice-versa, it's always hard to tell). It helps with discussions, and provides a temporary home for documentation and such. Part of the Tapestry/Jakarta proposal is a request for a Wiki. Tapestry has gotten great mileage out of its Wiki, even those its the completely lame PHPWiki (which can be hosted directly on SourceForge, the only reason to use it). - Original Message - From: Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: A Jakarta wiki? About a month ago a discussion occurred over on turbine-user/dev about the possibility of setting up a wiki to use for creating ad hoc documentation as well as a place to develop more formal documentation that might perhaps later be converted to xdoc for direct inclusion in the actual project site. We discussed setting something up on a non-apache server, but thought we would first seek an opinion as to whether or not an apache hosted solution might be a possibility. To this end, I posted a query to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (quoted below). The brief discussion that ensued between Brian Behlendorf, Pier Fumagalli and myself concluded that I was to liaise with Pier to set up a JSPWiki instance on nagoya. I provided Pier with some information and asked him what the next steps might be, but unfortunately Pier has become overloaded with work and has been unable to get back to me (I'm not complaining Pier - all things take time and time is a limited resource). Anyway, I have two motivations for mailing the general list: 1. To raise the profile of this request in hope of sparking some action. 2. To gain some feedback as to the desirability of widening the scope of the wiki beyond turbine. As mentioned below, Cocoon already have an external (non-apache hosted) wiki. Leo Simons has also indicated that a similar discussion has recently taken place over on the Avalon lists with the conclusion being that they too would like to set up a wiki. So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? 4. Hosting - apache.org or external 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Cheers, Scott -- Scott Eade Backstage Technologies Pty. Ltd. http://www.backstagetech.com.au .Mac Chat/AIM: seade at mac dot com On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Scott Eade wrote: On turbine-user turbine-dev (jakarta) we have been discussing the possibility of setting up a wiki to use for creating ad hoc documentation as well as a place to develop more formal documentation (perhaps we will convert it to xdoc and make it part of the real docs once we are happy with it). To this end, we are wondering if it would be possible to establish a wiki somewhere on an apache server. At this stage our desire is for a wiki that provides information about turbine and its related projects (torque, fulcrum, etc.), but perhaps the entire jakarta or even apache community could benefit from the free flow of information that is facilitated by a wiki. We are open minded about the wiki implementation to be used. There is a maven plugin that provides quite a nice customisation of the UseMod wiki. I myself have used twiki and am fairly happy with it. Cocoon uses an externally hosted JSPWiki which looks pretty good (being a Java person I would probably have used this in preference to twiki had I found it earlier). Anyway, what are the chances of getting something set up on an apache server? What would I need to do to get something happening? Thanks, Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta PMC report
Yes! In fact POI uses this to generate Record and Type classes from XML descriptors. You can't imagine how much typing this saves! Danny Angus wrote: Come on. Does anyone really *like* XSL? Actually after a lot of scepticism I now like XSLT. But like everything else it stinks if its the wrong tool for the job. I've been using it to generate java source code from xml descriptions of data, it does that quite well IMO. d. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
O'Reilly Network: Why JSP Sucks So Hard
http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/wlg/2423 -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: O'Reilly Network: Why JSP Sucks So Hard
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/wlg/2423 Yawn. Not another JSP Sux discussion :-( Conor -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: O'Reilly Network: Why JSP Sucks So Hard
Coincidentially, I had this one in my 'blogs: http://www.punknix.com/weblogs.html#Is%20JSP%20Really%20Suck? - Punky Andrew C. Oliver wrote: http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/user/view/wlg/2423 -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 18:21, Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? I like! I also agree it'd be cool if avalon, ant, xerces, cocoon etc team (all the ASF java peeps) to be able to access the thing, too. cheers, - Leo Simons -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Jakarta wiki?
On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Scott Eade wrote: So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? Love 'em, and think they would provide (a) a good way to write ad hoc documentation, (b) a good way to host certain discussions. At my day job we use an internal wiki for documentation almost exclusively, and sometimes as an effective public brainstorming tool. (And we're fairly centrally located--for distributed, asynchronous discussion a wiki is even more useful.) 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? Never used it, so no real opinion, although there seem to be a number of wiki's that are much more popular (perhaps not in java though). There's a big list of wiki impls on Ward's Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines, of course. (Most wiki clones, JSPWiki included, seem to be GPLed, if that matters to anyone.) 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? I'd like to see a wiki with at least jakarta scope. One option might be to use a wiki that supports namespaces, or a federation of wikis with intra-wiki links, so that one could create a sub-wiki per project but still support global cross-linking. For example, a intra-wiki link might look like Turbine:OracleHowTo versus plain ol' OracleHowTo. Alternatively, a simple convention of prefixing the project name might be sufficient for a shared wiki namespace, but might need support from some WikiGnomes. 4. Hosting - apache.org or external Something internal would seem official. 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Soon. If I can use this wiki (or this makes it easier to set up another wiki) for other jakarta/apache projects, I'd be more than happy to help out however I can. Please keep me posted, either via jakarta-general, by pointing out where this discussion is happening, or via a direct note. - Rod -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: A Jakarta wiki?
Love 'em. Let's pick one and set it up... they're very cool tom -Original Message- From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:36 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: A Jakarta wiki? On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Scott Eade wrote: So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? Love 'em, and think they would provide (a) a good way to write ad hoc documentation, (b) a good way to host certain discussions. At my day job we use an internal wiki for documentation almost exclusively, and sometimes as an effective public brainstorming tool. (And we're fairly centrally located--for distributed, asynchronous discussion a wiki is even more useful.) 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? Never used it, so no real opinion, although there seem to be a number of wiki's that are much more popular (perhaps not in java though). There's a big list of wiki impls on Ward's Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines, of course. (Most wiki clones, JSPWiki included, seem to be GPLed, if that matters to anyone.) 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? I'd like to see a wiki with at least jakarta scope. One option might be to use a wiki that supports namespaces, or a federation of wikis with intra-wiki links, so that one could create a sub-wiki per project but still support global cross-linking. For example, a intra-wiki link might look like Turbine:OracleHowTo versus plain ol' OracleHowTo. Alternatively, a simple convention of prefixing the project name might be sufficient for a shared wiki namespace, but might need support from some WikiGnomes. 4. Hosting - apache.org or external Something internal would seem official. 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Soon. If I can use this wiki (or this makes it easier to set up another wiki) for other jakarta/apache projects, I'd be more than happy to help out however I can. Please keep me posted, either via jakarta-general, by pointing out where this discussion is happening, or via a direct note. - Rod -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
Leo Simons wrote: On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 18:21, Sam Ruby wrote: Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? I like! I also agree it'd be cool if avalon, ant, xerces, cocoon etc team (all the ASF java peeps) to be able to access the thing, too. I proposed on the Alexandria list that it be open to all Apache committers, and I but it forward here too. +1 -- Nicola Ken Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) - -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: A Jakarta wiki?
I'm using the PERL one for several wikis including the TriJUG one (http://trijug.org)... It took 5 minutes to set up and requires just rights to some place on the file system. So far no admin... http://www.superlinksoftware.com/cgi-bin/jugwiki.pl I tested for dumb things like encoding file names to get it to write to other places...but its smart. (always writes the encoded filename in the same place so for example /etc/passwd would result in something like %xxetc%xxpasswd being in $DATADIR.. if its allowed as a wiki word at all) The irony of the JUG wiki running on PERL wasn't lost on some. However since its running on my server, being lightweight, easily set-up and 0 administration were my deal. Technical zealots be dammed. -Andy Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: I haven't used JSPWiki, but I have used the Python-based MoinMoin and really, really like it. I just took a quick look at JSPWiki and I wouldn't be surprised if it's feature set is based on MoinMoin (or vice-versa, it's always hard to tell). It helps with discussions, and provides a temporary home for documentation and such. Part of the Tapestry/Jakarta proposal is a request for a Wiki. Tapestry has gotten great mileage out of its Wiki, even those its the completely lame PHPWiki (which can be hosted directly on SourceForge, the only reason to use it). - Original Message - From: Scott Eade [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 8:39 AM Subject: A Jakarta wiki? About a month ago a discussion occurred over on turbine-user/dev about the possibility of setting up a wiki to use for creating ad hoc documentation as well as a place to develop more formal documentation that might perhaps later be converted to xdoc for direct inclusion in the actual project site. We discussed setting something up on a non-apache server, but thought we would first seek an opinion as to whether or not an apache hosted solution might be a possibility. To this end, I posted a query to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (quoted below). The brief discussion that ensued between Brian Behlendorf, Pier Fumagalli and myself concluded that I was to liaise with Pier to set up a JSPWiki instance on nagoya. I provided Pier with some information and asked him what the next steps might be, but unfortunately Pier has become overloaded with work and has been unable to get back to me (I'm not complaining Pier - all things take time and time is a limited resource). Anyway, I have two motivations for mailing the general list: 1. To raise the profile of this request in hope of sparking some action. 2. To gain some feedback as to the desirability of widening the scope of the wiki beyond turbine. As mentioned below, Cocoon already have an external (non-apache hosted) wiki. Leo Simons has also indicated that a similar discussion has recently taken place over on the Avalon lists with the conclusion being that they too would like to set up a wiki. So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? 4. Hosting - apache.org or external 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Cheers, Scott -- Scott Eade Backstage Technologies Pty. Ltd. http://www.backstagetech.com.au .Mac Chat/AIM: seade at mac dot com On Fri, 15 Nov 2002, Scott Eade wrote: On turbine-user turbine-dev (jakarta) we have been discussing the possibility of setting up a wiki to use for creating ad hoc documentation as well as a place to develop more formal documentation (perhaps we will convert it to xdoc and make it part of the real docs once we are happy with it). To this end, we are wondering if it would be possible to establish a wiki somewhere on an apache server. At this stage our desire is for a wiki that provides information about turbine and its related projects (torque, fulcrum, etc.), but perhaps the entire jakarta or even apache community could benefit from the free flow of information that is facilitated by a wiki. We are open minded about the wiki implementation to be used. There is a maven plugin that provides quite a nice customisation of the UseMod wiki. I myself have used twiki and am fairly happy with it. Cocoon uses an externally hosted JSPWiki which looks pretty good (being a Java person I would probably have used this in preference to twiki had I found it earlier). Anyway, what are the chances of getting something set up on an apache server? What would I need to do to get something happening? Thanks, Scott -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional
Re: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
On Thu, 19 Dec 2002, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) +1 and I'd like to see it expanded to the other projects affected as well (i.e. XML, Ant, Avalon, more to come). Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
A non-member, non-commiter, doc patch submitter with three questions here, Would this Wiki be limited to those with commit status? If not, how does this jive with the whole merit-based Apache-way? Does a public wiki have any legal ramifications for ASF? If Wiki is open to the public and someone puts GPL'd or copyrighted material on Wiki, who would bear responsibility? Tim O'Brien W 847-574-2143 M 847-863-7045 -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:26 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki? +1 Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver somewhere with filesystem access? If not, what about servlet engine + database access? If so. I will select one based on ease of maintenence, setup, security and set it up by the end of next week. Thank you, -Andy Tom Copeland wrote: Love 'em. Let's pick one and set it up... they're very cool tom -Original Message- From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:36 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: A Jakarta wiki? On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Scott Eade wrote: So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? Love 'em, and think they would provide (a) a good way to write ad hoc documentation, (b) a good way to host certain discussions. At my day job we use an internal wiki for documentation almost exclusively, and sometimes as an effective public brainstorming tool. (And we're fairly centrally located--for distributed, asynchronous discussion a wiki is even more useful.) 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? Never used it, so no real opinion, although there seem to be a number of wiki's that are much more popular (perhaps not in java though). There's a big list of wiki impls on Ward's Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines, of course. (Most wiki clones, JSPWiki included, seem to be GPLed, if that matters to anyone.) 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? I'd like to see a wiki with at least jakarta scope. One option might be to use a wiki that supports namespaces, or a federation of wikis with intra-wiki links, so that one could create a sub-wiki per project but still support global cross-linking. For example, a intra-wiki link might look like Turbine:OracleHowTo versus plain ol' OracleHowTo. Alternatively, a simple convention of prefixing the project name might be sufficient for a shared wiki namespace, but might need support from some WikiGnomes. 4. Hosting - apache.org or external Something internal would seem official. 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Soon. If I can use this wiki (or this makes it easier to set up another wiki) for other jakarta/apache projects, I'd be more than happy to help out however I can. Please keep me posted, either via jakarta-general, by pointing out where this discussion is happening, or via a direct note. - Rod -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Preprocessing tool
Folks, Ever needed cross platform file preprocessing integrated with Ant? Then please check out VPP, the Velocity Preprocessor, at http://vpp.sourceforge.net. VPP provides three useful tools that integrate Velocity and Ant: * VPPFilter - a FilterReader implementation of Velocity * VPP - an extension of Ant's copy task with an integrated VPPFilter, useful as a short cut when all you want to do is preprocess files. * VPPJavac - an extension of Ant's javac task that integrates VPPFilter so that all source files are preprocessed before compilation. Enjoy and Happy Holidays! didge -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
Andrew, ACTION is good mm'kay. I think we should at least consider a Java based wiki: - JSPWiki at http://www.ecyrd.com/JSPWiki/Wiki.jsp is used by Cocoon (I installed this locally and had it running in about 5 minutes). - Micael mentioned Chiki (http://chiki.emaho.org/) - this looks pretty good too (but I haven't tried installing it yet). Rodney Waldhoff's comment concerning namespaces is very important. For JSPWiki I think we would need to go down the federation of wikis with intra-wiki links path (prefixing with project names becomes a PITA fairly quickly IMO). It looks like Chiki's nodes provide independent namespaces, but it wasn't obvious how to go about creating a node (it is worth looking into this though as the federation model may require more effort to set up new sub-wikis, but perhaps this is not such a bad thing). Twiki is an excellent cgi based wiki (http://www.twiki.org), but I think we are better off adopting a solution that we can more easily contribute to if we so desire (note that both JSPWiki and Chiki are GPL). I am unsure of the legal ramifications that Tim O'Brien raises, but the whole point of wanting a wiki is to allow update access by non-committers. A more subtle point is whether or not to allow anonymous postings - I myself prefer people to register before they can make changes, it only takes a few seconds, and provides at least some form of (albeit easily circumvented) author trail. It is excellent to see that you are so keen - targeting the end of next week sounds great. Scott -- Scott Eade Backstage Technologies Pty. Ltd. http://www.backstagetech.com.au .Mac Chat/AIM: seade at mac dot com On 21/12/2002 6:25 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: +1 Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver somewhere with filesystem access? If not, what about servlet engine + database access? If so. I will select one based on ease of maintenence, setup, security and set it up by the end of next week. Thank you, -Andy Tom Copeland wrote: Love 'em. Let's pick one and set it up... they're very cool tom -Original Message- From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:36 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: A Jakarta wiki? On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Scott Eade wrote: So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? Love 'em, and think they would provide (a) a good way to write ad hoc documentation, (b) a good way to host certain discussions. At my day job we use an internal wiki for documentation almost exclusively, and sometimes as an effective public brainstorming tool. (And we're fairly centrally located--for distributed, asynchronous discussion a wiki is even more useful.) 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? Never used it, so no real opinion, although there seem to be a number of wiki's that are much more popular (perhaps not in java though). There's a big list of wiki impls on Ward's Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines, of course. (Most wiki clones, JSPWiki included, seem to be GPLed, if that matters to anyone.) 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? I'd like to see a wiki with at least jakarta scope. One option might be to use a wiki that supports namespaces, or a federation of wikis with intra-wiki links, so that one could create a sub-wiki per project but still support global cross-linking. For example, a intra-wiki link might look like Turbine:OracleHowTo versus plain ol' OracleHowTo. Alternatively, a simple convention of prefixing the project name might be sufficient for a shared wiki namespace, but might need support from some WikiGnomes. 4. Hosting - apache.org or external Something internal would seem official. 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Soon. If I can use this wiki (or this makes it easier to set up another wiki) for other jakarta/apache projects, I'd be more than happy to help out however I can. Please keep me posted, either via jakarta-general, by pointing out where this discussion is happening, or via a direct note. - Rod -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Preprocessing tool
on 2002/12/20 4:00 PM, didge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, Ever needed cross platform file preprocessing integrated with Ant? Then please check out VPP, the Velocity Preprocessor, at http://vpp.sourceforge.net. VPP provides three useful tools that integrate Velocity and Ant: * VPPFilter - a FilterReader implementation of Velocity * VPP - an extension of Ant's copy task with an integrated VPPFilter, useful as a short cut when all you want to do is preprocess files. * VPPJavac - an extension of Ant's javac task that integrates VPPFilter so that all source files are preprocessed before compilation. Enjoy and Happy Holidays! Great! This shows *exactly* how Velocity is more than just a web tool. One thing that isn't clear with your tool documentation is what is available in the context and how to put objects into the context. Also, too bad it is LGPL. You should consider a license similar to the ASF license. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: New Preprocessing tool
After reading up regarding licensing a bit more, I'm going to consider switching to an ASF or BSD license. Shouldn't matter much right now because I don't think anyone is planning to redistribute this :) I'll add something about what goes in the context to the docs. For those who can't wait, VPP inserts the ant project's properties into the context with the key of 'ant', so that you can reference your project's properties in the source: #if( $ant.anImportantPropertySetInYourBuildScript ) ... #end where anImportantPropertySetInYourBuildScript is exactly what it says. You can also get hold of all of your current enviroment variables in your template if you load them in ant: !-- in your build script -- property environment=env/ ## in the template #if( $ant.env.anImportantEnvironmentVariable ) ... #end I'm not sure what else you would want or even could put in the context. didge -Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 5:04 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: New Preprocessing tool on 2002/12/20 4:00 PM, didge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Folks, Ever needed cross platform file preprocessing integrated with Ant? Then please check out VPP, the Velocity Preprocessor, at http://vpp.sourceforge.net. VPP provides three useful tools that integrate Velocity and Ant: * VPPFilter - a FilterReader implementation of Velocity * VPP - an extension of Ant's copy task with an integrated VPPFilter, useful as a short cut when all you want to do is preprocess files. * VPPJavac - an extension of Ant's javac task that integrates VPPFilter so that all source files are preprocessed before compilation. Enjoy and Happy Holidays! Great! This shows *exactly* how Velocity is more than just a web tool. One thing that isn't clear with your tool documentation is what is available in the context and how to put objects into the context. Also, too bad it is LGPL. You should consider a license similar to the ASF license. -jon -- StudioZ.tv /\ Bar/Nightclub/Entertainment 314 11th Street @ Folsom /\ San Francisco http://studioz.tv/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
O'brien, Tim wrote: A non-member, non-commiter, doc patch submitter with three questions here, Would this Wiki be limited to those with commit status? If not, how does this jive with the whole merit-based Apache-way? Does a public wiki have any legal ramifications for ASF? If Wiki is open to the public and someone puts GPL'd or copyrighted material on Wiki, who would bear responsibility? Lets not start with the FUD.. If it happens, we'll remove them. What if someone puts the detailed information on how to produce Anthrax, and hides the secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or velocity running fast... Wiki's self regulate. You'll see. Lets not What if problems that don't exist. Go see http://www.wikipedia.org/ and http://c2.com/cgi/wiki to see what can happen and on what scale, without those things being a problem... Lets be eXtereme just for this and have courage. If wikis are dangerous then Ward Cunningham is an evil evil man. -Andy Tim O'Brien W 847-574-2143 M 847-863-7045 -Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 1:26 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki? +1 Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver somewhere with filesystem access? If not, what about servlet engine + database access? If so. I will select one based on ease of maintenence, setup, security and set it up by the end of next week. Thank you, -Andy Tom Copeland wrote: Love 'em. Let's pick one and set it up... they're very cool tom -Original Message- From: Rodney Waldhoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, December 20, 2002 12:36 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: A Jakarta wiki? On Sat, 21 Dec 2002, Scott Eade wrote: So how about some feedback: 1. Wiki's - love 'em or hate 'em? Love 'em, and think they would provide (a) a good way to write ad hoc documentation, (b) a good way to host certain discussions. At my day job we use an internal wiki for documentation almost exclusively, and sometimes as an effective public brainstorming tool. (And we're fairly centrally located--for distributed, asynchronous discussion a wiki is even more useful.) 2. JSPWiki - good choice or bad choice? Never used it, so no real opinion, although there seem to be a number of wiki's that are much more popular (perhaps not in java though). There's a big list of wiki impls on Ward's Wiki at http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?WikiEngines, of course. (Most wiki clones, JSPWiki included, seem to be GPLed, if that matters to anyone.) 3. Scope of the wiki(s) - ((Turbine) and (Avalon)), Jakarta or Apache? I'd like to see a wiki with at least jakarta scope. One option might be to use a wiki that supports namespaces, or a federation of wikis with intra-wiki links, so that one could create a sub-wiki per project but still support global cross-linking. For example, a intra-wiki link might look like Turbine:OracleHowTo versus plain ol' OracleHowTo. Alternatively, a simple convention of prefixing the project name might be sufficient for a shared wiki namespace, but might need support from some WikiGnomes. 4. Hosting - apache.org or external Something internal would seem official. 5. Timing - now, soon, later or never Soon. If I can use this wiki (or this makes it easier to set up another wiki) for other jakarta/apache projects, I'd be more than happy to help out however I can. Please keep me posted, either via jakarta-general, by pointing out where this discussion is happening, or via a direct note. - Rod -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver somewhere with filesystem access? Your definition of ACTION is AskSam? AFAIK, your authority and mine with respect to being able to execute cgi scripts on a machine like cvs.apache.org are the same. I just did a few tests, and apparently I don't have permission. If not, what about servlet engine + database access? Not on any BSD machine. You will find a more receptive set of sysadmins on nagoya. In any case, the right place to pursue this is [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property
+1 I didn't realize it was still a proposal. -Original Message- From: Sam Ruby [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 19, 2002 9:21 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [discussion] jakarta-gump as community property Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin). Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the contents of jakarta-alexandria/proposal/gump get moved to jakarta-gump, all committers to any jakarta code base be given karma and voting rights on the full contents (descriptors, code, and stylesheets alike) and that a single [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailing be created (we are all devs here, right?) Thoughts? - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
On Friday, December 20, 2002, at 09:26 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: O'brien, Tim wrote: A non-member, non-commiter, doc patch submitter with three questions here, Would this Wiki be limited to those with commit status? If not, how does this jive with the whole merit-based Apache-way? Does a public wiki have any legal ramifications for ASF? If Wiki is open to the public and someone puts GPL'd or copyrighted material on Wiki, who would bear responsibility? Lets not start with the FUD.. If it happens, we'll remove them. What if someone puts the detailed information on how to produce Anthrax, and hides the secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or velocity running fast... Then it would be 300x JSP :) -- Geir Magnusson Jr 203-355-2219(w) Adeptra, Inc. 203-247-1713(m) [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
Lets not start with the FUD.. If it happens, we'll remove them. What if someone puts the detailed information on how to produce Anthrax, and hides the secret location of Osama Bin Ladin in a patch submitted which also brilliantly makes Velocity run 300x faster than it does currently so that we have to choose between making the CIA happy or velocity running fast... Then it would be 300x JSP :) But it would have to run CIA sniffer code right? ;-) -Andy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: ACTION not WORDS Re: A Jakarta wiki?
On 21/12/02 2:34 Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Sam, do you or someone have the abillity/will to give me sufficient rights to install a small cgi script on an apache webserver somewhere with filesystem access? Your definition of ACTION is AskSam? AFAIK, your authority and mine with respect to being able to execute cgi scripts on a machine like cvs.apache.org are the same. I just did a few tests, and apparently I don't have permission. That's called defensive programming (ehem... Administration) :-) If not, what about servlet engine + database access? Not on any BSD machine. You will find a more receptive set of sysadmins on nagoya. In any case, the right place to pursue this is [EMAIL PROTECTED] Done... http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/ I'd still prefer a Java/MySQL based approach, but It's up and running... Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
