Re: Forum Software.

[Robert Simmons]

I say that forum software would be useful because I am in three mailing lists at 
apache that I use in order to ask questions.
Tomcat, Cocoon and this one. as a result i get an enormous amount of mail. Aout 95% of 
it is irrelevant to me. Im having to filter
hundreds of messages per day and that is annyoing.

-- Robert

- Original Message -
From: "Martin van den Bemt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Jakarta General List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2003 11:29 PM
Subject: Re: Forum Software.


> As far as I could follow when it was set up, people were more keen on
> the idea to get usefull threads up there (was on tomcat-dev afaik, but
> Pier should probably remember it better), so they wouldn't be lost in
> the somethimes enormous mails on the mailinglist and prevent most
> commons questions from being asked over and over again.
>
> I think that it could be usefull for that purpose anyway.
>
> Btw love mailinglists and don't do forums much.
>
> Mvgr,
> Martin
>
> On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 01:13, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:15:22PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > >
> > > We have a license and an installation of Jive, if someone wants to get it up
> > > to speed... It's on nagoya.
> >
> > If you need a volunteer to maintain it, I'll be happy to do so - among
> > other things, I develop and maintain the Jive-based forums for The Sims
> > Online.  However, I'm firmly in the mailing-list camp, at least as regards
> > Apache.  I don't see any reason to "fix" what isn't broken.
> >
> > IMHO, the forums will be useful to the extent that their purpose does
> > not overlap with the mailing list and thus split the community.  What
> > purpose that leaves, I don't know.
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Re: Forum Software.

[Martin van den Bemt]

As far as I could follow when it was set up, people were more keen on
the idea to get usefull threads up there (was on tomcat-dev afaik, but
Pier should probably remember it better), so they wouldn't be lost in
the somethimes enormous mails on the mailinglist and prevent most
commons questions from being asked over and over again. 

I think that it could be usefull for that purpose anyway. 

Btw love mailinglists and don't do forums much.

Mvgr,
Martin

On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 01:13, Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:15:22PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > 
> > We have a license and an installation of Jive, if someone wants to get it up
> > to speed... It's on nagoya.
> 
> If you need a volunteer to maintain it, I'll be happy to do so - among
> other things, I develop and maintain the Jive-based forums for The Sims
> Online.  However, I'm firmly in the mailing-list camp, at least as regards
> Apache.  I don't see any reason to "fix" what isn't broken.
> 
> IMHO, the forums will be useful to the extent that their purpose does
> not overlap with the mailing list and thus split the community.  What
> purpose that leaves, I don't know.
> 
> Jeff Schnitzer
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jakarta Charter

[Jason van Zyl]

Hi,

I was poking around looking for the Jakarta Charter, is it kicking
around somewhere. I couldn't find it on the site and I want to use it as
a template for the db.apache.org charter.
-- 
jvz.

Jason van Zyl
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://tambora.zenplex.org

In short, man creates for himself a new religion of a rational
and technical order to justify his work and to be justified in it.
  
  -- Jacques Ellul, The Technological Society


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[OT] Re: wow

[Rodney Waldhoff]

I don't want to be the on-topic police guy, but clearly this isn't an
issue for jakarta-general.  It'd be better to send this to watchdog-dev
(only) IMO, and improve the signal to noise ratio around here.

(Where's Jon when you need him? :)

On Thu, 23 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> ;-)
>
> Henri Yandell wrote:
>
> >Looks terrible. The  size is wrong.
> >
> >Was this sarcasm? :) It's too early in the morning to notice.
> >
> >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
> >
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RE: Forum Software.

[Sale, Doug]

This should be the Jakarta tagline.

"I think use Jakarta dogmeet."

-doug ;]

> -Original Message-
> From: V. Cekvenich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 7:17 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Forum Software.
> 
> 
> And I volunteer to write a Struts/Tomcat based one ( I have most of 
> functionality in basicPortal.com that uses a lot of jakarta project).
> 
> I think use Jakarta dogmeet.
> .V
> Jeff Schnitzer wrote:
> > On Wed, Jan 22, 2003 at 11:15:22PM +, Pier Fumagalli wrote:
> > 
> >>We have a license and an installation of Jive, if someone 
> wants to get it up
> >>to speed... It's on nagoya.
> > 
> > 
> > If you need a volunteer to maintain it, I'll be happy to do 
> so - among
> > other things, I develop and maintain the Jive-based forums 
> for The Sims
> > Online.  However, I'm firmly in the mailing-list camp, at 
> least as regards
> > Apache.  I don't see any reason to "fix" what isn't broken.
> > 
> > IMHO, the forums will be useful to the extent that their 
> purpose does
> > not overlap with the mailing list and thus split the 
> community.  What
> > purpose that leaves, I don't know.
> > 
> > Jeff Schnitzer
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Here's the latest "bad imports" report....

[Tom Copeland]

...for all the Jakarta projects:

Module LOC Bad imports Pctg
=
jakarta-oro   5777 0 0.00%
jakarta-turbine-torque8383 1 0.01%
jakarta-struts   15789 4 0.03%
jakarta-turbine-maven 3479 1 0.03%
jakarta-cactus3476 1 0.03%
jakarta-avalon1980 1 0.05%
jakarta-ant  4861080 0.16%
jakarta-bcel 1630231 0.19%
jakarta-ojb  2836757 0.20%
jakarta-poi  2252962 0.28%
jakarta-commons 104407   299 0.29%
jakarta-regexp1822 6 0.33%
jakarta-james1217147 0.39%
jakarta-jmeter   22935   111 0.48%
jakarta-log4j1202160 0.50%
jakarta-ecs  1728588 0.51%
jakarta-turbine-fulcrum   924560 0.65%
jakarta-commons-sandbox 110210   925 0.84%
jakarta-ecs2  141412 0.85%
jakarta-lucene581159 1.02%
jakarta-taglibs  35848   414 1.15%
jakarta-turbine-jcs   8302   127 1.53%
jakarta-jetspeed 34087   696 2.04%
jakarta-velocity 15630   330 2.11%
jakarta-tomcat-4.0   40557   913 2.25%
jakarta-velocity-dvsl  91421 2.30%
jakarta-turbine-jyve  430499 2.30%

 591655  4505 0.76%

And the totals for everyone (i.e., the xml projects also) are listed
here:

http://cvs.apache.org/~tcopeland/jakarta_bad_imports.htm

See ya,

Tom



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Re: weblogs on apache.org

[Dirk-Willem van Gulik]

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> The most appropriate place to discuss this is on infrastructure@...

I am not sure if this is the right place to dicuss -IF- (personal) blogs
are OK. I am sure this is the right place to discuss what blogging
software would be installed once pmc/memebrs/board requests such.

And my +1 for moveble type as well.

Dw


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Re: wow

[Andrew C. Oliver]

;-)  

Henri Yandell wrote:

Looks terrible. The  size is wrong.

Was this sarcasm? :) It's too early in the morning to notice.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
 




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Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

[Santiago Gala]

Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

Sam Ruby wrote:


robert burrell donkin wrote:



+1 (providing that andrew's reservations about pluto are resolved)

why not portlet.apache.org (with jetspeed and pluto as subprojects)?




I predict that something along those lines will eventually occur.  The 
question is whether to gate this donation on such an eventuallity.  My 
recomendation is no, particularly jakarta's track record of being 
supportive for subprojects becoming sister ASF projects.


+1

-Andy



I paste here an excertp from a mail in Jetspeed-dev, for people wanting 
to know more. You can track the whole thread in:

http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10431583192&r=1&w=2

---pasted from Jetspeed-dev---
Luta, Raphael (VUN) wrote:
> De : Weaver, Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>
>>
>>I'm not on general, but I did read the archived stuff on the
>>recent Pluto discussion.  I have to admit I am somewhat confused.
>>
>
>
> OK, I'll try to explain what I understood of the situation (however
> I'm not on the JSR so I may be wrong on some specifics).
>
>
>>I had a strong feeling that the RI for JSR 168 was going to
>>be Apaches's baby.  However, I would like a clearer view on
>>how Jetspeed fit's into this.  I have spent a lot of time
>>building our company's portal offering around Jetspeed and
>>would hate to see it become the red headed step child, as I
>>think all of us would, that gets a thorough beating from
>>"standards" based portals.  I am also starting to get
>>questions from management about using Websphere portlets in
>>our offering (Jetpeed), I keep saying "wait until JSR-168."
>>
>

If I understand correctly your concerns, the point is that the
"Jetspeed" brand should not get lost in the process. This is good,
because, even with its limitations, Jetspeed is getting a brand, and we
should not spoil it in the name of something of which we haven't seen
anything yet (private SPEC, no code shown in advance, etc.)

I have read about having a project called portlet.apache.org, which
could have Pluto, Charon, Jetspeed and other initiatives (Cocoon-based,
Struts-based, etc.) hanging below it. It looks like this could be a good
solution from the political POV, while allowing the obvious technical
advantages of having a standard API.

It would also allow that several communities (Cocoon, Struts, Turbine at
the very least) to communicate closely around the portal issues each one
of them is facing separately now.



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Re: wow

[Henri Yandell]

Looks terrible. The  size is wrong.

Was this sarcasm? :) It's too early in the morning to notice.

On Wed, 22 Jan 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:

> The logo on this page looksWonderful!
>  http://jakarta.apache.org/watchdog/index.html
>
> (mozilla 1.2.1 and IE 6.x)
>
> -Andy
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Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

[Sam Ruby]

Martin Cooper wrote:


Just curious - Greg's board meeting summary didn't mention this, so I'm
wondering what the status is.


The board needs take no action... unless they object within 72 hours of 
the notification, the following people are now part of the Jakarta PMC:

Nicola Ken Barozzi
Robert Burrel Donkin
Stephen Colebourne
Martin Cooper
Henri Gomez
John Keyes
Larry Isaacs
Otis Gospodnetic
Thomas Mahler
Remy Maucherat
Glenn Nielsen
Andrew C Oliver
Rob Oxspring
Martin Poeschl
Scott Sanders
David Sean Taylor
Glen Stampoultzis
Mladen Turk
James Turner
Henri Yandell

I do not expect any issues, so people on this list should feel free to 
subscribe to the pmc mailing list (I'll moderate through the requests), 
and update http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html appropriately.

- Sam Ruby



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Re: Forum Software.

[Santiago Gala]

Jon Scott Stevens wrote:

on 2003/1/22 12:28 PM, "Santiago Gala" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



1. Install spamassassin and server-side filtering (with procmail, for
instance). ;-) (It saves me between 5 and 10 spam messages a day, quite
an effort just to download and delete).



You should be so lucky to only get 5-10 a day. I get around 400.


Yes, but you are a ASF member, and your address is much bettern known 
than mine:

http://www.google.com/search?q=jon%40latchkey.com&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=es&btnG=B%C3%BAsqueda+en+Google&lr=

returns "approx 2930 hits", while

http://www.google.com/search?hl=es&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=sgala%40hisitech.com&btnG=B%C3%BAsqueda+en+Google&lr=

return "approx 258 hits".

This says it all ;-) (I don't even count apache.org addresses, etc.)



-jon





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