Re: Sun

On 28/05/2003 14:49 Erik Price wrote: I'm genuinely curious where to draw the line between the project and the business in this context. ... and I find your feelings to be strikingly similar to mine. After reading the poor White whitepaper, I find the JBoss development community to be quite feo

Re: Sun

Steven Noels wrote: Don't read me wrong: I'm on the JBoss-side on this, in that *the project* should be able to present itself on a JUG event. This is an interesting discussion. The New England JUG recently hosted Bill Burke, Chief Architect of JBoss Group LLC (

Re: Sun

--- Pier Fumagalli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I fail to see what is the difference between JBoss Group LLC and any other > private/public corporation developing a J2EE solution... > Neither do i, provided that corporation gives you their j2ee server for free, with no strings attached; you don

Re: Sun

On 5/28/03 5:19 AM, "Steven Noels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 28/05/2003 10:52 Pier Fumagalli wrote: > >> I fail to see what is the difference between JBoss Group LLC and any other >> private/public corporation developing a J2EE solution... > > None. Hence my problem with JBoss when compari

Re: Sun

>> >> >> Don't you think JBoss' huge success has something to do with Sun's >> animosity? Every developer I know who has a say on the platform uses >> JBoss: better product, better documentation, better support, lower >> price. > > Don't read me wrong: I'm on the JBoss-side on this, in that *the

Re: Sun

On 28/05/2003 10:52 Pier Fumagalli wrote: I fail to see what is the difference between JBoss Group LLC and any other private/public corporation developing a J2EE solution... None. Hence my problem with JBoss when comparing with the ASF situation (which isn't flawless neither, however). I still do

Re: Sun

On 28/05/2003 10:52 Ceki Gülcü wrote: I concur that. The JBossGroup is playing a very tricky game, and some of what they do will reflect bad upon the entire Open Source community. Rest assured that Werner knows about these tricks since he was involved with JBoss in Europe from the beginning. I'

Re: Sun

On 28/5/03 9:08 "Steven Noels" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sun should be happy that people create cheap implementations of their > APIs. If their own implementations would be any better, they might also > be making money of them. ;) Nothing against that, absolutely, but voices are saying that JB

Re: Sun

At 10:08 AM 5/28/2003 +0200, you wrote: On 28/05/2003 9:47 Pier Fumagalli wrote: Going back and looking at the past 5 years, actually, I think that in this case, the guy from Sun actually has a point (Rudy? Who the hell is he?). Oddly enough in the J2EE/JBoss saga, I don't see Sun as being the "ba

Re: Sun

At 08:47 AM 5/28/2003 +0100, you wrote: On 28/5/03 0:26 "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good: http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19500 Hm... > Evil: > http://www.shiftat.com/blog/page/werner/20030527#sun_reaffirms_no_jboss_at Indeed... Mark Fleury _is_ evil. H

Re: Sun

On 28/05/2003 9:47 Pier Fumagalli wrote: Going back and looking at the past 5 years, actually, I think that in this case, the guy from Sun actually has a point (Rudy? Who the hell is he?). Oddly enough in the J2EE/JBoss saga, I don't see Sun as being the "bad" guys (but ok, some of us and Mark go

Re: Sun

On 28/5/03 0:26 "Andrew C. Oliver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Good: http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19500 Hm... > Evil: > http://www.shiftat.com/blog/page/werner/20030527#sun_reaffirms_no_jboss_at Indeed... Mark Fleury _is_ evil. > Glad these guys don't sponsor my JUG