Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 17, 2003, at 10:19 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. | Don't feed | | the trolls | | | | --\|/ -- Andrew C. Oliver

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 17, 2003, at 11:01 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Yep. Do that. Every committer should want to be part of the PMC. geir -- Geir Magnusson Jr

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Serge Huber
At 04:19 AM 12/18/2003, you wrote: The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. Well at least it's honest. But it makes me wonder about the long term effect of a private decision process in an open source group. It seems to have almost destroyed the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Danny Angus
The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. Well at least it's honest. But it makes me wonder about the long term effect of a private decision process in an open source group. It seems to have almost destroyed the XFree86 project recently.

Re: Choosing against Jakarta

2003-12-18 Thread Ted Husted
No worries, mate. The Apache License is the ultimate hedge. No matter what happens, you can always set up the source someplace else. The most you could possibly lose would be the product name, and, realistically, if there wasn't a community behind the product, Apache wouldn't want it anyway :)

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best person to nudge then? :) -- Andy Armstrong, Tagish

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best person to nudge then? :) Anyone. Interested? -- Andy Armstrong,

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andy Armstrong
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Who's the best person to nudge then? :) Anyone. Interested? Yes, very much thanks. -- Andy Armstrong, Tagish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end up being made on private PMC lists not open to the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Danny Angus
Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end up being made on private PMC lists not open to the public? For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond by saying that as I understand it it is the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond by saying that as I understand it it is the source and the development of it which is open, not the organisation. As a committer I would like to know what's going on with the origanization. I can understand

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Danny Angus wrote: Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end up being made on private PMC lists not open to the public? For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Danny Angus
As a committer I would like to know what's going on with the origanization. I can understand certain private conversations that involve legal implications, but anything else, I think, should be out in the open to do justice to the committers. It seems like there is some talk going on about

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:58 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
First off, as a commiter your entitled to be proposed for membership of the PMC, which I'd be happy to do. Thanks for the offer but I don't know if I would qualify for one. The description on the website is pretty broad. Secondly there has been a long drawn out debate in numerous places

Re: PMC mailing list (Re: Just in case you're curious)

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:52 AM, Joe Germuska wrote: Anyone. Interested? I'm interested in being on the PMC mailing list; I just became a Struts committer. My apache ID is germuska. Joe, I took the liberty of cc-ing the general Jakarta list. Congrats on becoming a committer. I hope that your

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:23:25 -0500 (EST) Henri Yandell wrote: Agreed. Andy's highlighted the issue and I'm sure there'll be more aggressiveness on pushing threads that don't need to remain closed to this open forum. About the issue of openness and closeness: board@ is *public* for all the

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? I think the best way to describe what is going on in private is that we are trying to get things organized enough to have a public discussion of the things that are concerning us. Which is IMHO,

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 11:28 AM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? You are making assertions that aren't correct to cast doubt on something. That's commonly known as FUD. I think the best way to describe what is

Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: First off, as a commiter your entitled to be proposed for membership of the PMC, which I'd be happy to do. Thanks for the offer but I don't know if I would qualify for one. The description on the website is pretty broad. Harish, as I see it, part of the problem

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread hlship
The more I see of this discussion, the more convinced I am that the sub-projects of Jakarta should be run like mini-TLPs. We want to leverage the marketing power of the Jakarta brand, the experience of the other Jakarta developers, and some infrastructure support (web page, CVS, mailing lists,

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
If the aim of the PMC is to house a vast majority of committers, and if the role of a PMC member is simply to follow some guidelines and regulate development, I don't see the distinction between a PMC member and a committer. If the PMC membership requires legal and governing skills, I am not

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The more I see of this discussion, the more convinced I am that the sub-projects of Jakarta should be run like mini-TLPs. We want to leverage the marketing power of the Jakarta brand, the experience of the other Jakarta developers, and some

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Howard Lewis Ship wrote: The more I see of this discussion, the more convinced I am that the sub-projects of Jakarta should be run like mini-TLPs. We want to leverage the marketing power of the Jakarta brand, the experience of the other Jakarta developers, and some infrastructure support

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: If the aim of the PMC is to house a vast majority of committers, and if the role of a PMC member is simply to follow some guidelines and regulate development, I don't see the distinction between a PMC member and a committer. If the PMC

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: If the aim of the PMC is to house a vast majority of committers, and if the role of a PMC member is simply to follow some guidelines and regulate development, I don't see the distinction between a PMC member and a committer.

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: I would have embraced that idea a year ago, but when discussed it was said to not be an option to have a hierarchy of PMCs below the Jakarta PMC of 7 members. There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation. There is absolutely nothing that says that we

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't see the distinction between a PMC member and a committer. grin You catch on quickly. :-) The difference is that a PMC member, as a normative statement, has a binding vote on the project. By allowing someone to become a Committer, you allow direct contribution to the codebase, but the

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: If the aim of the PMC is to house a vast majority of committers, and if the role of a PMC member is simply to follow some guidelines and regulate development, I

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: I would have embraced that idea a year ago, but when discussed it was said to not be an option to have a hierarchy of PMCs below the Jakarta PMC of 7 members. There is a difference between a hierarchy and a

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Mark R. Diggory
Henri Yandell wrote: Obviously, something is afoot ... otherwise, why are healthy projects moving out of Jakarta, up to the top level (Ant, Maven and now logging)? Is that the destiny of Jakarta, to be a second-level incubator for projects on the way to TLP status? If so ... embrace that. As

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Brian McCallister
On Thu, 2003-12-18 at 14:03, Henri Yandell wrote: Either it would roll back to the old style as Tomcat + friends, or would become the Java-Foundry for Apache [a la Sourceforge], or would become Jakarta Commons, or both of the latter two. Dunno what other visions there might be out there for

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 2:24 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: I would have embraced that idea a year ago, but when discussed it was said to not be an option to have a hierarchy of PMCs below the Jakarta PMC of 7 members. There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation.

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 2:35 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: I would have embraced that idea a year ago, but when discussed it was said to not be an option to have a hierarchy of PMCs below the Jakarta PMC of 7 members. There is a

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Ah now it all makes sense :) May be this should be included with the CLA and then there would be no reason to lobby for more members, really. -Harish Noel J. Bergman wrote: I don't see the distinction between a PMC member and a committer. grin You catch on quickly. :-) The difference is

Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Hi, I, Harish Krishnaswamy (harishkswamy), a Tapestry committer, would like to help grow Jakarta in whatever capacity I can and I request my nomination for PMC membership. Regards, Harish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:08 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Ah now it all makes sense :) May be this should be included with the CLA and then there would be no reason to lobby for more members, really. We want to make sure that the PMC members are committers who

Re: Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:14 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Hi, I, Harish Krishnaswamy (harishkswamy), a Tapestry committer, would like to help grow Jakarta in whatever capacity I can and I request my nomination for PMC membership. Hey look! He's willing to swim upstream to help *grow* Jakarta.

Re: Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:14 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Hi, I, Harish Krishnaswamy (harishkswamy), a Tapestry committer, would like to help grow Jakarta in whatever capacity I can and I request my nomination for PMC membership. Hey

Confused with PMCs, TLPs, ASF and Power?

2003-12-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Then try this: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaPMCPropsedChanges It aims to be a starter course on why discssions about PMCs, TLPs, Jakarta and the ASF appear, and possibly how they affect you. Be aware of the disclaimer at the top, however trying to distill any controversial

Re: Confused with PMCs, TLPs, ASF and Power?

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Very nice, this really clarifies the organizational structure and issues at hand. Thanks, Harish Stephen Colebourne wrote: Then try this: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaPMCPropsedChanges It aims to be a starter course on why discssions about PMCs, TLPs, Jakarta and the ASF

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Dirk Verbeeck
+1 If this is acceptable by the board then it's the ideal solution. No changes to the email/website structure, jakarta remains the center of the apache java development with a shared announcement list, general list, news and download pages, ... The only change is that the board gets a list of

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Dirk Verbeeck
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best person to nudge then? :) Anyone.

Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Dirk Verbeeck
Hi, I, Dirk Verbeeck (dirkv), a jakarta-commons (and slide) committer, would like to help grow Jakarta in whatever capacity I can and I request my nomination for PMC membership. Regards, Dirk - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Ted Husted
To do this, each product would simply need to draft a resolution to create the PMC and select a chair, and ask that it be placed on the board's agenda for the next meeting, just as Log4J and the others did. It would be very important that each product do this themselves, to help show they are

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Sam Ruby
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 17, 2003, at 10:19 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: The reason everything is quiet here is all decisions are being made on private lists now. | Don't feed | | the trolls | | | | --\|/ I must admit

Re: Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
Hi, I, Tetsuya Kitahata (tetsuya), would like to help oversight of the jakarta websites. I request my nomination for PMC membership. Maybe this can be expressed as jakarta-site2 PMC. Note: The creation of jakarta-site2 project has been voted here last year and adopted already. Thanks, --

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Dirk Verbeeck
I'm not asking for a change, I only see a lot of mails again and again about the board asking for more insight into the working of jakarta. Same with the whole jakarta-commons apache-commons discussion. If this can be solved by just doing some paperwork (writing down who is supervising what)

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-Original Message- From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
1) s/product/sub-project/ 2) I don't know what 'hosted at Jakarta' means. The CVS repositories are ASF respositories - there is no hierarchy grouping them as 'jakarta'. As for using the Jakarta website, the Jakarta community would be responsible for it, and thus they will decide on it's

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? You are making assertions that aren't correct to cast doubt on something. That's commonly known as FUD. I'm sorry, I hallucinated that we were having all of these discussions about the future

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
How about Jakarta = Java Development? Then, they all seem in place, no? -Harish Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Costin Manolache wrote: IMO it would be sad if projects like struts or tapestry leave jakarta - since they are closely related to web development and server side java (

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Tetsuya Kitahata
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 20:24:00 -0500 (Subject: Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?) Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: How about Jakarta = Java Development? Then, they all seem in place, no? -Harish +1. Agreed. Why don't Jakarta adopt EU-like governance style? (Board = Secretariat of the

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
Because it's wrong. XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all Java Development and not in Jakarta. If we go with this approach, we end up with the continuation of: should digester be in jakarta or xml etc. Does XML take precedence over the fact it's in Java, or

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
Multiple PMCs is not a problem. There are James, Maven people on the Jakarta PMC etc. The idea below still concerns me. If all the PMC's share the same website, who is responsible for the website as a global concept. For example, the need to do mirrors. If a Jakarta-Site PMC exists, all other

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
That's true, so back to Jakarta = Server side web development! But is it restricted only to Java web development or just plain web development? -Harish Henri Yandell wrote: Because it's wrong. XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all Java Development and not in

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Henri Yandell wrote: Multiple PMCs is not a problem. There are James, Maven people on the Jakarta PMC etc. The idea below still concerns me. If all the PMC's share the same website, who is responsible for the website as a global concept. For example, the need to do mirrors. If a Jakarta-Site

Re: [ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Logging Services project

2003-12-18 Thread Vadim Gritsenko
Ceki Gülcü wrote: Good morning to all, The log4j developers are pleased to announce that the Board of Directors of the Apache Software Foundation unanimously passed a resolution for the creation of the Apache Logging Services project. A copy of the resolution can be found at:

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Logging Services project

2003-12-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Good morning to all, The log4j developers are pleased to announce that the Board of Directors of the Apache Software Foundation unanimously passed a resolution for the creation of the Apache Logging Services project. A copy of the resolution can be found at:

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Stephen Colebourne
Not really (my POV) As people we naturally think in terms of the hierarchy ASF to Jakarta to MySubProject. But the middle layer is artificial. It could just as well be XML or DB or WebApps or Java or C or 'Projects starting with S' or 'Projects where Joe Bloggs works'. There simply is no one

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
I like the idea but does this mean we will be dumping the Jakarta banner? Or will it serve as an incubator for TLPs? The Jakarta banner has earned quite a reputation and would be a shame to dump it. -Harish Stephen Colebourne wrote: Not really (my POV) As people we naturally think in terms of

Re: Confused with PMCs, TLPs, ASF and Power?

2003-12-18 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Quoting Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Then try this: http://nagoya.apache.org/wiki/apachewiki.cgi?JakartaPMCPropsedChanges It aims to be a starter course on why discssions about PMCs, TLPs, Jakarta and the ASF appear, and possibly how they affect you. Be aware of the disclaimer

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Phil Steitz
Stephen Colebourne wrote: Not really (my POV) As people we naturally think in terms of the hierarchy ASF to Jakarta to MySubProject. But the middle layer is artificial. It could just as well be XML or DB or WebApps or Java or C or 'Projects starting with S' or 'Projects where Joe Bloggs works'.

RE: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all Java Development and not in Jakarta. If we go with this approach, we end up with the continuation of: should digester be in jakarta or xml etc. Does XML take precedence over the fact it's in Java,

RE: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Costin Manolache wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation. There is absolutely nothing that says that we cannot have: [list of PMCs] All without a single change to the Jakarta domain. No one

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 8:02 PM, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: This is FUD. No decisions are being made in private. Isn't everything you disagree with? You are making assertions that aren't correct to cast doubt on something. That's commonly known as FUD. I'm sorry, I hallucinated that we were having

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
I'm sorry, I hallucinated that we were having all of these discussions about the future of jakarta and how to best reorganize it on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Remember what you said. You said that decisions were being made in private. Oh yes, I hallucinated the [VOTE] threads too. Damn those

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 5:27 PM, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: +1 If this is acceptable by the board then it's the ideal solution. No changes to the email/website structure, jakarta remains the center of the apache java development with a shared announcement list, general list, news and download pages, ...

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 18, 2003, at 5:39 PM, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta.

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta and how it got to where it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we have? -Harish - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: If all the PMC's share the same website, who is responsible for the website as a global concept. For example, the need to do mirrors. If a Jakarta-Site PMC exists, all other PMCs [jakarta sub-project based] are accepting the Jakarta Site PMC's oversight over their

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Bill Barker
I'm sure that Craig or other will correct my mistakes (I haven't been here quite that long :). Jakarta started as Tomcat and friends after Sun donated Tomcat to the ASF (hence the name 'Jakarta' :). As the project grew (sign of success), Jakarta grew to include projects that don't necessarily

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Quoting Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Could someone please explain the motivation behind the creation of Jakarta and how it got to where it is today? May be that would help answer some of the questions we have? -Harish These comments are going to be (like anyone's would be)

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Quoting Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Henri Yandell wrote: If all the PMC's share the same website, who is responsible for the website as a global concept. For example, the need to do mirrors. If a Jakarta-Site PMC exists, all other PMCs [jakarta sub-project based] are