Re: Confused with PMCs, TLPs, ASF and Power?

2003-12-19 Thread Danny Angus
Be aware of the disclaimer at the top Nice disclaimer ;-) d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Michael Davey
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: How about Jakarta = Java Development? Then, they all seem in place, no? Henri Yandell wrote: Because it's wrong. XML has lots of Java bits, and Maven, Ant, Cocoon, Avalon, James are all Java Development and not in Jakarta. Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 19, 2003, at 12:21 AM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: If all the PMC's share the same website, who is responsible for the website as a global concept. For example, the need to do mirrors. If a Jakarta-Site PMC exists, all other PMCs [jakarta sub-project based] are accepting

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Ted Husted
Michael Davey wrote: Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services. Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than Jakarta. I believe

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr.
On Dec 19, 2003, at 8:01 AM, Ted Husted wrote: Michael Davey wrote: Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services. Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-19 Thread Martin van den Bemt
Andrew, The big difference between Geir and you, is that Geir is actually trying to give feedback and explain the situation on what's going on. The only messages I keep reading from you are protests against private lists and that they should be public and for the rest nothing at all

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Andrew C. Oliver
Radical view: allow the subprojects to send 1-2 delegates to the PMC and require each subproject to send one or die. This would size the PMC, assure that heart attack in the crowd syndrome doesn't take place and make the discussion more manageable. Have the sub projects manage their own policy

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Michael Davey
Ted Husted wrote: Michael Davey wrote: Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services. Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Harish Krishnaswamy
Thanks Craig, this is elaborate, informative and puts the issue in my perspective. May be this should be put on the website too somewhere. Here are my inferences so far... inferences ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache board members. The board delegates certain

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Craig R. McClanahan
Quoting Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Thanks Craig, this is elaborate, informative and puts the issue in my perspective. May be this should be put on the website too somewhere. Here are my inferences so far... inferences ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Ted Husted
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache board members. The board delegates certain responsibilities over to the PMCs of the individual projects while still maintaining the authority and management responsibilities. The PMC is responsible for a wholesome

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Radical view: allow the subprojects to send 1-2 delegates to the PMC and require each subproject to send one or die. This would size the PMC, assure that heart attack in the crowd syndrome doesn't take place and make the discussion more manageable. Have the sub projects

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-19 Thread Rainer Klute
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003 10:23:16 -0500 Harish Krishnaswamy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond by saying that as I understand it it is the source and the development of it which is open, not the organisation. As a

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Ted Husted wrote: Michael Davey wrote: Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services. Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Costin Manolache
Bill Barker wrote: I'm sure that Craig or other will correct my mistakes (I haven't been here quite that long :). Jakarta started as Tomcat and friends after Sun donated Tomcat to the ASF (hence the name 'Jakarta' :). As the project grew (sign of success), Jakarta grew to include projects that

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/site newbie.xml

2003-12-19 Thread tetsuya
tetsuya 2003/12/19 16:45:54 Modified:docs/site newbie.html xdocs/site newbie.xml Log: Added more links to developers' resources Revision ChangesPath 1.45 +19 -0 jakarta-site2/docs/site/newbie.html Index: newbie.html

cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs/site elsewhere.xml

2003-12-19 Thread tetsuya
tetsuya 2003/12/19 16:54:54 Modified:docs index.html docs/site elsewhere.html xdocsindex.xml xdocs/site elsewhere.xml Log: 18 December 2003 - Apache Ant 1.6.0 Released ! Congratulations! Revision ChangesPath 1.350