Re: [OT] Which Linux distribution for Java development?
Esp jdk 1.3 was a PITA under linux. afaik sun finally fixed their bugs, so it should run a lot better.. Mvgr, Martin On Fri, 2005-01-07 at 10:13, Danny Angus wrote: One thing you *may* care about is using certified Java VM. You should also be aware that there are issues with combinations of JVM and Linux, at work we're still trying to resolve an issue with RedHat Enterprise and J2sdk 1.2.4, and there were significant issues with certain earlier redhat and 1.3 combinations. That said these tend not to be noticable in development, and only bite you in the arse when you proudly set your work free and watch it fail to cope with heavy load or fail to achieve high uptimes But as they we say in English, c'est la vie! d. *** The information in this e-mail is confidential and for use by the addressee(s) only. If you are not the intended recipient (or responsible for delivery of the message to the intended recipient) please notify us immediately on 0141 306 2050 and delete the message from your computer. You may not copy or forward it or use or disclose its contents to any other person. As Internet communications are capable of data corruption Student Loans Company Limited does not accept any responsibility for changes made to this message after it was sent. For this reason it may be inappropriate to rely on advice or opinions contained in an e-mail without obtaining written confirmation of it. Neither Student Loans Company Limited or the sender accepts any liability or responsibility for viruses as it is your responsibility to scan attachments (if any). Opinions and views expressed in this e-mail are those of the sender and may not reflect the opinions and views of The Student Loans Company Limited. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept for the presence of computer viruses. ** - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Mvgr, Martin - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] jakarta acknowledgements page
as per the advice i received from the ASF prc, i've removed the local jakarta acknowledgements page (http://jakarta.apache.org/site/acknowledgements.html) and added a redirect to the ASF thanks page (http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html). - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] notice of redirected pages
FYI i've added redirects for the following pages: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/convert-to-mirror.html http://jakarta.apache.org/site/farewell-martin.html - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cvs commit: jakarta-site2 build.xml
the issue here is that when changes are made to the stylesheet, they were not reflected. i've added a force but it might be worth considering whether adding a clean target would be better. opinions? - robert On 8 Jan 2005, at 15:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: rdonkin 2005/01/08 07:17:22 Modified:.build.xml Log: Added force to all transformations. Revision ChangesPath 1.16 +8 -4 jakarta-site2/build.xml Index: build.xml === RCS file: /home/cvs/jakarta-site2/build.xml,v retrieving revision 1.15 retrieving revision 1.16 diff -u -r1.15 -r1.16 --- build.xml 2 Jan 2005 17:16:19 - 1.15 +++ build.xml 8 Jan 2005 15:17:22 - 1.16 @@ -29,7 +29,8 @@ extension=.html style=xdocs/stylesheets/site.xsl excludes=empty.xml -includes=*.xml +includes=*.xml +force='true' param name=relative-path expression=./ /style @@ -38,7 +39,8 @@ destdir=${docs.dest}/site extension=.html style=xdocs/stylesheets/site.xsl -includes=*.xml +includes=*.xml +force='true' param name=relative-path expression=../ /style @@ -47,7 +49,8 @@ destdir=${docs.dest}/site/pmc extension=.html style=xdocs/stylesheets/site.xsl -includes=*.xml +includes=*.xml +force='true' param name=relative-path expression=../../ /style @@ -56,7 +59,8 @@ destdir=${docs.dest}/site/news extension=.html style=xdocs/stylesheets/site.xsl -includes=*.xml +includes=*.xml +force='true' param name=relative-path expression=../../ /style - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] navigation bar elements?
the current division of information between the two navigation bars and the order within seems (to me) a little unpleasing. do other people think that it's fine as it now is? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] future of new project page
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html contains new (sub-)project creation guidelines. i think that this is now outdated and should be removed. however, the content is pretty good and would be (i think) suitable (in amended form) for the incubator website. i think that the best approach would be for a volunteer to approach incubator to see if they are interested in the content, remove the page and redirect to the incubator. opinions? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] navigation bar elements?
S'basically: Left hand side for user's of Commons code Right hand side for other info There's more there than I want to have there, but that's the general bit behind the separation. Downloading is expected to normally be: Jakarta-BSF-Download rather than Jakarta-Download-BSF So although I've got downloads at the top, it's on the right as a lesser used navigation. That's a bit of a forced separation, but it would be too much to put it on the lhs. When downloads becomes a single link to a more concise page; I was thinking it could move back over to the left and the space in the top right could be used for [EMAIL PROTECTED], or whatever name we would choose to use for Jakarta's role there. So that's my reasoning for the division :) Hen On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: the current division of information between the two navigation bars and the order within seems (to me) a little unpleasing. do other people think that it's fine as it now is? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] future of new project page
+1 At the very least, record this opinion on the wiki siteinfo page so we can get around to it eventually :) Hen On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, robert burrell donkin wrote: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html contains new (sub-)project creation guidelines. i think that this is now outdated and should be removed. however, the content is pretty good and would be (i think) suitable (in amended form) for the incubator website. i think that the best approach would be for a volunteer to approach incubator to see if they are interested in the content, remove the page and redirect to the incubator. opinions? - robert - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-08T10:12:42 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo Latest status Change Log: -- @@ -1,18 +1,18 @@ = Plan for the future of the Jakarta site = 0. 2005 copyright update. - '''DONE''' - 0. Cleanup of dead parts of the site. - '''tomcat-old, tomcat-4.0 and jmeter201 to go''' + 0. Cleanup of dead parts of the site. - '''DONE''' 1. Removal of Anakia build and usage of Ant/XSL as the only build system. - '''DONE''' 1. Move site/news.* to redirects instead of meta refreshes. Also agreement.html. - '''DONE''' - 1. See if PRC will take Acknowledgements - ''Robert''. + 1. See if PRC will take Acknowledgements - '''DONE''' 1. Figure out how to remove idedev-*.html. Tomcat pages in jakarta-site2. - 1. Why are meta tags being generated as bad xml? Is it the doctype of loose? - 1. The generated html could definitely do with pretty printing. + 1. Why are meta tags being generated as bad xml? Is it the doctype of loose? - '''FIXED''' + 1. The generated html could definitely do with pretty printing. - '''DONE''' 2. New look site. - a. Switch to three-column display - [http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html]. - a. Modification of XSL system to support mockup. ''Hen''. - a. Use of CSS. - 1. Tighter front page. + a. Switch to three-column display - '''DONE''' + a. Modification of XSL system to support mockup. - '''DONE''' + a. Use of CSS. - '''DONE''' + 1. Tighter front page - [http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html]. 1. Delete content: a. Vendor page a. Acknowledgements page - Redirect to http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html @@ -25,7 +25,7 @@ 1. Move JSPA stuff to www.apache.org. ''Geir''. 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. 1. Migrate to Subversion - [Site2 Conversion Instructions]. ''Tim''. - 1. Migration of reference pages into Foundation. + 1. Migration of reference pages into Foundation. ''Robert'' - '''ONGOING''' 2. Improvement of download pages. Creation of cgi pages. 3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] considerations. Indexing systems for javadoc, jars, downloads etc. IRC channel? 4. SVN information in addition to CVS information. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-08T10:16:04 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo no comment Change Log: -- @@ -22,6 +22,11 @@ a. Reference library a. Related project stuff. 1. Flatten Project Guidelines and all the other 'how to' pages into a shallower structure. + 1. Removal of silly pages: + a. jon.html (and images) + a. love.html + a. idiot.html + a. os.html 1. Move JSPA stuff to www.apache.org. ''Geir''. 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. 1. Migrate to Subversion - [Site2 Conversion Instructions]. ''Tim''. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-08T10:25:36 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo no comment Change Log: -- @@ -27,6 +27,9 @@ a. love.html a. idiot.html a. os.html + 1. Removal of dead pages: + a. methodology.html (nothing links to this) + a. jakarta-site-*.html (4 pages, with various links to them; however the content is bad) 1. Move JSPA stuff to www.apache.org. ''Geir''. 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. 1. Migrate to Subversion - [Site2 Conversion Instructions]. ''Tim''. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 1) Rewrite of the welcome message to the welcome message at http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html. Including additions to the products table as shown in the mock. 2) Removal of the elsewhere news section. Point redirects to news/index.html. 3) Remove License renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. 5) Removal of Related table at the bottom of the index. 6) Move Legal link to the bottom of the page (with the copyright), as shown in mock. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) -- Martin Cooper 8) Removal of links to Japanese/Korean translations. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? I think Graduated is best replaced by: News item on graduation that stays prominent for a few months. Some kind of larger [EMAIL PROTECTED] page. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:28:34 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Then let's just call it Ex-Jakarta. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? 6 months to a year. Let me ask the reverse question: How long would you keep the link to a subproject once it leaves? Would you remove it as soon as the project leaves, or keep it around for a while? If the latter, why wouldn't you move it to an Ex-Jakarta section instead? I think Graduated is best replaced by: News item on graduation that stays prominent for a few months. Some kind of larger [EMAIL PROTECTED] page. It's not clear to me that people will go and read the News section if they can't find the link to the subproject. After all, if there's no link, then it can't be a Jakarta subproject, so why would there be Jakarta news about it? -- Martin Cooper 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:28:34 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Then let's just call it Ex-Jakarta. Seems okay :) I'll promote this suggestion to a new thread, see if anyone disagrees. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? 6 months to a year. Let me ask the reverse question: How long would you keep the link to a subproject once it leaves? Would you remove it as soon as the project leaves, or keep it around for a while? If the latter, why wouldn't you move it to an Ex-Jakarta section instead? Spent an hour pondering it, and I'm swayed by your arguments. I'm happy too keep the links to old Jakarta sites. The only real problem it causes us is when things get closed (Avalon), but those projects should have sites kept up anyway. By News section, I'd meant the front page. Given the tighter mock, an item in the news section of the front page is pretty prominent, but it's probably more valueable spacewise than the bottom left of the navbar, so maintaining links to ex-jakarta is much better. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Any comment on this? Can 'Our Mission' go? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[site] Label for promoted Jakarta project
At the bottom of the left hand navbar is a section of projects that used to be a part of Jakarta. It used to be Related and is currently Graduated, but neither name has won fans. Martin has suggested 'Ex-Jakarta'. A problem with Graduated is that it involves explaining, and also that it is a poor label as it is not a noun. Ex-Jakarta wins on both of these. Ex-Jakarta has another advantage that I see, which is that things don't have to goto an Apache TLP to be Ex-Jakarta. OJB for example, in db.apache.org, or even to somewhere like Sourceforge. So, any opinions? Barring any -1's to Ex-Jakarta, I'll make the change on Wednesday night. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[Jakarta Wiki] Updated: SiteInfo
Date: 2005-01-08T16:47:59 Editor: HenriYandell Wiki: Jakarta Wiki Page: SiteInfo URL: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/SiteInfo Updated, with planned times. Change Log: -- @@ -12,15 +12,17 @@ a. Switch to three-column display - '''DONE''' a. Modification of XSL system to support mockup. - '''DONE''' a. Use of CSS. - '''DONE''' - 1. Tighter front page - [http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html]. + 1. Tighter front page, [http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html Mock] (tighter welcome message, new text under Products) - ''Hen on Tuesday'' 1. Delete content: + a. Remove licence renewal and news blog from Headlines section. Rename Headlines to News. - ''Hen on Tuesday'' a. Vendor page a. Acknowledgements page - Redirect to http://www.apache.org/foundation/thanks.html - a. Elsewhere news - a. Our Mission + a. Elsewhere news - ''Hen on Tuesday'' + a. Our Mission - ''Hen on Tuesday'' a. Newsletter Editor page a. Reference library - a. Related project stuff. + a. Related project table - ''Hen on Tuesday'' + 1. Rename Graduated to Ex-Jakarta. - ''Hen on Wednesday'' 1. Flatten Project Guidelines and all the other 'how to' pages into a shallower structure. 1. Removal of silly pages: a. jon.html (and images) @@ -31,13 +33,13 @@ a. methodology.html (nothing links to this) a. jakarta-site-*.html (4 pages, with various links to them; however the content is bad) 1. Move JSPA stuff to www.apache.org. ''Geir''. - 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. + 1. Move Legal link from navbar to bottom of page. - ''Hen on Tuesday'' 1. Migrate to Subversion - [Site2 Conversion Instructions]. ''Tim''. 1. Migration of reference pages into Foundation. ''Robert'' - '''ONGOING''' 2. Improvement of download pages. Creation of cgi pages. 3. [EMAIL PROTECTED] considerations. Indexing systems for javadoc, jars, downloads etc. IRC channel? 4. SVN information in addition to CVS information. - 5. Translation sites. What to do about them. + 5. Translation sites. What to do about them. Remove links. - ''Hen on Tuesday'' 6. Removal of information that may be found at [http://www.apache.org/dev/], the Incubator or other ASF locations. 7. Posting of board reports to the site. 8. Move 'In Memoriam' to the whoweare.html page in Feb 2005. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [site] Removing things
On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 19:38:17 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005 17:28:34 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Jan 2005, Martin Cooper wrote: On Fri, 7 Jan 2005 20:50:28 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next up is to clean up various bits on the large front page. Here's the list of changes. For each one, if I don't hear a -1 by Tuesday I'll go ahead and make the change. 4) Removal of Graduated from the left navbar. I haven't kept up with all of the discussion in the last few days - why are we removing this? IMHO, it's still valuable for the less frequent visitor to our site. Graduated is a confusing concept that we then have to somehow explain. Then let's just call it Ex-Jakarta. Seems okay :) I'll promote this suggestion to a new thread, see if anyone disagrees. Additionally, how long would we maintain links to said projects etc? 6 months to a year. Let me ask the reverse question: How long would you keep the link to a subproject once it leaves? Would you remove it as soon as the project leaves, or keep it around for a while? If the latter, why wouldn't you move it to an Ex-Jakarta section instead? Spent an hour pondering it, and I'm swayed by your arguments. I'm happy too keep the links to old Jakarta sites. The only real problem it causes us is when things get closed (Avalon), but those projects should have sites kept up anyway. And hopefully what happened with Avalon won't happen very often... By News section, I'd meant the front page. Given the tighter mock, an item in the news section of the front page is pretty prominent, but it's probably more valueable spacewise than the bottom left of the navbar, so maintaining links to ex-jakarta is much better. 7) Removal of Our Mission. Redirect to front page. This seems to me like an important thing to have stated up front. If what we have now isn't what we think we're about, we should fix it rather than removing it. If we don't think we can fix it, then we have a serious problem. ;-) It's a pointless page. The Welcome + Navbars contains all the information it has, so it just adds to the general clutter. Any comment on this? Can 'Our Mission' go? I guess so. It just feels like something we should have, but, as you mentioned, we don't really have much of anything to say at the moment. -- Martin Cooper - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]