RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Remy Maucherat wrote: I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an individual at the moment If you look at the CLA, you'll see that all contributions are made by individuals, irrespective of motivation or

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Torsten Curdt
I think continuing with the current attitude would only lead my company to reevaluate its involvement in ASF projects, and I could not really blame them if they did. Of course, this may be what some people here seek (hopefully, it is not and it's just my paranoia at work). I am sure the

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Tim O'Brien
On the -1's (or at least the negative opinions to this), we have Tim who thinks that it's a waste to talk to SD and we should focus on making sure the branding message is clearer. Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all) Jakarta. :-) I just wanted to voice

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Giorgio Gallo
--Foreword Hi all, I never wrote to this list before today - though I've been lurking it since some time ago. I'm not a committer/contributor of any of ASF projects. My interest in this list is because I'm working (privately) on something I paln to donate when it will be a bit finished (if it

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Tim O'Brien wrote: On the -1's (or at least the negative opinions to this), we have Tim who thinks that it's a waste to talk to SD and we should focus on making sure the branding message is clearer. Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all)

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Giorgio Gallo wrote: --Foreword Hi all, I never wrote to this list before today - though I've been lurking it since some time ago. Brave topic to make your first email :) I'm not a committer/contributor of any of ASF projects. My interest in this list is because I'm working

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
Specifically to Remy/Mladen, does this seem acceptable to you with your JBoss hats on? Trying to focus on the email being a request to focus on the whole Tomcat community rather than just the two of you for the success of Tomcat 5.0. Hen On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Henri Yandell wrote: Added thanks

[draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
Added thanks for the award. Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is nitpicking. Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion to avoid detracting from the main issue, that of the concept of a leading contributor. Hen === To: [EMAIL

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Mladen Turk
Henri Yandell wrote: Specifically to Remy/Mladen, does this seem acceptable to you with your JBoss hats on? Personally I don't care. If those things bother you guys, do what ever you wish. Regards, Mladen. - To unsubscribe,

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Torsten Curdt
Hi Kate, I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT Productivity Winner award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome. I'm also writing to let you know about a [serious] error on your JOLT product

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Greg Stein
Overall, it looks good to me. The reference in the first paragraph should probably be Apache Tomcat. Thanks, Henri. Cheers, -g On Sun, Mar 20, 2005 at 01:19:14PM -0500, Henri Yandell wrote: Added thanks for the award. Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Costin Manolache
Davanum Srinivas wrote: Rémy, You will probably need to resend the CCLA...i can't find in the regular location where ccla's are recorded. - Can u please explain what you mean by current attitude? It's already 'explained' in various mailing list archives, including this thread :-) - Are u saying

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Serge Knystautas
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions. Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be in conflict with a CLA, and companies can provide a Software Grant in the case where the existing IP is owned by the

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Will Glass-Husain
I think one of the great things about the ASF is that it does allow commercial involvement in their projects. I'd love us to figure out how we ARE comfortable thanking JBoss, IBM, etc.. rather than only reacting when we feel a line is crossed. Amen! (said as a commiter involved in a commercial

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Stephen Colebourne
While not directly involved with Tomcat, some code I have written via commons probably is included in Tomcat distros. My comment is simply that I found the pdf description rather distasteful and definitely worthy of gentle correction. We all have lines that we don't want to see crossed, and

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
I think this is great. More inline... On Mar 20, 2005, at 1:19 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: Added thanks for the award. Removed the text about companies not being contributors as it is nitpicking. Added note about Apache Tomcat, though I left it open to their discretion to avoid detracting from

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
Henri Yandell wrote: It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to discuss something, a completely true piece of investigative journalism. There are definitely parts of Commons where a little bit of investigation could point out that Yes, on DBUtils 1.0, David

Re: [draft-2] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Sun, 2005-03-20 at 20:40 +0100, Torsten Curdt wrote: Hi Kate, I'd like to thank SD/Jolt on behalf of the Jakarta community for the JOLT Productivity Winner award for Tomcat 5.0. Media recognition of the work the Tomcat community puts in is always very welcome. I'm also writing

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
Tim O'Brien wrote: Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all) Jakarta. :-)=20 Of course, that's just as wrong as the concept of Leading Contributor or Main Developer :) -- === Jim

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Jim Jagielski
Remy Maucherat wrote: I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Jim Jagielski wrote: Tim O'Brien wrote: Henri, I'm not -1, you can send it if you want. You are (after all) Jakarta. :-)=20 Of course, that's just as wrong as the concept of Leading Contributor or Main Developer :) To give Tim context, it's a joke referring to a private

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Bill Barker
- Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change Henri Yandell wrote: It may be that leading contributor is, while not an 'Apache Way' to discuss

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Bill Barker wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change Henri Yandell wrote: It may be that leading contributor is, while

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). Obvious quandry for me, we don't really have any concept of subcommunity, apart from the individual dev lists, it's supposed to be the Jakarta community at large

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Costin Manolache
It's never bad to clarify things. For example ( honestly ! ) it's the first time I hear that the name of the project is Apache Tomcat. Someone should send a mail to tomcat-dev to inform them, the tomcat site is under the impression that it's called Apache Jakarta Tomcat - and almost all docs

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 20 Mar 2005, Costin Manolache wrote: It's never bad to clarify things. Really? My wife tells me I do it all the time and need to learn to shut up :) For example ( honestly ! ) it's the first time I hear that the name of the project is Apache Tomcat. Someone should send a mail to

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Bill, i shared my 2 cents as am on the jakarta pmc :) -- dims On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 16:20:33 -0800, Bill Barker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: