Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Danny Angus
Remy wrote: I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an individual at the moment, and (as far as I can remember, as it was a while ago ...) have submitted a company CLA reflecting that

Re: Javadoc management

2005-03-21 Thread Jeff Martin
My involvement was with what has now become tucked away in a zip file called alexandria-legacy. At this time Alexandria was an ant build script with some ant extensions. Most of these are now part of ant. Alexandra's main goal was to allow people to access javadoc and xrefed source code. The

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr .
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote: - Original Message - From: Jim Jagielski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 3:01 PM Subject: Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change Henri Yandell wrote: It may be that leading contributor is,

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote: And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the accuracy of what anyone is saying? I would also wager that

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Remy Maucherat
Jim Jagielski wrote: On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote: And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the accuracy of what anyone is saying? I

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
Remy Maucherat wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: On Mar 20, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Bill Barker wrote: And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). I think that's an unfair statement... does that fact diminish the

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Remy Maucherat
Jim Jagielski wrote: That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :) But I would agree that other companies have occasionally crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both companies associated with ASF projects and external companies that have no ties or links at all. In those cases

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Remy, +1 to more code, less politics :) No one is gonna kick you out. All of us are in this mess together :) :) -- dims On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:24:34 +0100, Remy Maucherat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :) But I would agree

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote: Jim Jagielski wrote: That would be kind of impossible to do, logically :) But I would agree that other companies have occasionally crossed lines that should not have been crossed, both companies associated with ASF projects and external companies

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Danny Angus
At this point, how about simply kicking me out and ending the problems faster ? Just one quick vote on board@ and any future issues disappear magically. Oh grow up. No one has criticised you, no one has complained that you are paid by JBOSS, no one has criticised your contributions, no one

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Remy Maucherat
Jim Jagielski wrote: On Mar 21, 2005, at 10:24 AM, Remy Maucherat wrote: Great, so you manage to sneak by an assertion that a line have been crossed here. Cool debate ;) My intent was not to make an accusation but rather a simple statement that any issue we are talking about is not unique or

Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?

2005-03-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Hi, Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :) Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I really have not found a firm standpoint, because there where so many Chairmans and Directors with opposite statements. So the question is what is the actual name of

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Costin Manolache
Danny Angus wrote: ... the issue is *only* that The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor. Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company that have committers working full

Re: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
Costin Manolache wrote: Danny Angus wrote: ... the issue is *only* that The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor. Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company

Re: Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?

2005-03-21 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mladen Turk wrote: Hi, Just want to clear some things about all the *branding misuse* :) Looking at the archives (and trust me, took me a weekend), I really have not found a firm standpoint, because there where so many Chairmans and Directors with opposite statements. So the

Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Jim Jagielski
On Mar 21, 2005, at 12:17 PM, Mladen Turk wrote: Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers), propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP? Personally, I think the Tomcat community is large enough and healthy enough to warrant change to a TLP. I know that some of you will think (since

Re: Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?

2005-03-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Henri Yandell wrote: Were you striking a Dr Evil pose while you wrote this? :) No, I was striking a Rhett Buttler's pose: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn :) My (strong) advice is that the Tomcat subcommunity have a quick decision on what they would like to do about the SD magazine issue. If

Re: Is it 'Jakarta Apache Tomcat' or 'Apache Tomcat'?

2005-03-21 Thread Henri Yandell
On Mon, 21 Mar 2005, Mladen Turk wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Were you striking a Dr Evil pose while you wrote this? :) No, I was striking a Rhett Buttler's pose: Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn :) My (strong) advice is that the Tomcat subcommunity have a quick decision on what they would

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Costin Manolache wrote: I'm +1 on your email if you are going to send the same kind of email for every use of Tomcat and if we are going to send an email every time a company or individual claims he is making 'lead contributions' to an apache project. And I would feel much better if such

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Serge Knystautas wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions. Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be in conflict with a CLA, and companies can provide a Software Grant in the case where

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Remy Maucherat wrote: What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ? Can you prove me wrong ? Multiple companies have, in fact, been contacted and dealt with over what was perceived to be misleading PR and

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jim Jagielski wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers), propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP? I'd say that it is about time. I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me) 'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat', but

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions. Cool, means so much to me. I also have no complaints on your technical skills :) Only over your employer's attempts at self-portraiture. If anything, I am more likely to feel sorry for you and Remy

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Mladen Turk wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions. Cool, means so much to me. I also have no complaints on your technical skills :) My observation, not opinion, was in response to your expressing concern that there would be

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Henri Gomez
Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP. As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella. What motivate the move to TLP now. Regards On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 15:16:51 -0500, Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Mladen Turk
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I'm mystified as to how you could derive the latter from my comment. Please, lets calm the things down. Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth will still spin tomorrow. Regards, Mladen. - To

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Torsten Curdt
Please, lets calm the things down. Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth will still spin tomorrow. ...that's an excellent ending for this discussion :) Thanks -- Torsten signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Stephen Colebourne
From: Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat being TLP. As I said in tomcat-dev, it was proposed when ant became TLP and at this time the consensus was to stay under jakarta umbrella. What motivate the move to TLP now. Currently, Tomcat developers are

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Pros: - Tomcat pmc will be responsible for all its actions and decisions - Report directly to board every quarter - No meddling from outsiders (jakarta-general folks and others (read jakarta pmc) from the peanut gallery :) - Top Level domain - http://tomcat.apache.org/ - One of pmc members can

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Dims, The new TLP would be expected to address the same issues, and to work with the PRC and other parts of the ASF, but they'd be more immediately associated with them, too. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Bill Barker
- Original Message - From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List general@jakarta.apache.org Sent: Monday, March 21, 2005 2:45 PM Subject: Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ? From: Henri Gomez [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well I'd like to know the pros and cons of Tomcat

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Currently, Tomcat developers are having to take time away from their main task (coding) to answer management issues raised by Jakarta. This raises the question of whether Tomcat is big enough and mature enough to manage these issues itself, without the involvement of Jakarta. Great.

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Davanum Srinivas
Yes, Noel. i have the same feeling that Stephen has: it seems likely (based on emails to the thread from Tomcat committers) that this PR release would have been a non-issue. So the tomcat committers would be doing it on their own terms. with no one pushing them. Quote from Mladen's email: so

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Please, lets calm the things down. Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth will still spin tomorrow. Well, actually, if it would pause briefly on Wednesday, that'd be OK. I have to fly east, and would rather not chase the horizon for 3000 miles. --- Noel

Re: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Geir Magnusson Jr
On Mar 21, 2005, at 3:51 PM, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Please, lets calm the things down. Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth will still spin tomorrow. Well, actually, if it would pause briefly on Wednesday, that'd be OK. I have to fly east, and would rather not chase the