future for maven generated websites?

2005-03-27 Thread robert burrell donkin
does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based websites
when shell access is switched off to the machine serving the website?

will we be able to run regular maven site regeneration on a
jakarta.apache.org partition?  

- robert


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Re: future for maven generated websites?

2005-03-27 Thread Martin Cooper
I believe you're really talking about deployment, rather than
generation. I doubt that any changes will be needed in generation
itself. The current hand-wavy answer on updating web sites when shell
accounts go away is WebDAV. I'm not sure if anyone has thought this
through yet, though - when I asked for more detail, the answer was
essentially dunno yet. So I guess we'll have to wait and see,
although if you have suggestions / want to keep up to date,
infrastructure@ is the place to be.

--
Martin Cooper


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 does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based websites
 when shell access is switched off to the machine serving the website?
 
 will we be able to run regular maven site regeneration on a
 jakarta.apache.org partition?
 
 - robert
 
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RE: future for maven generated websites?

2005-03-27 Thread Tim O'Brien

 -Original Message-
 From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 Subject: Re: future for maven generated websites?
 
 I believe you're really talking about deployment, rather than 
 generation. I doubt that any changes will be needed in 
 generation itself. The current hand-wavy answer on updating 
 web sites when shell accounts go away is WebDAV. I'm not 
 sure if anyone has thought this through yet, though - when I 
 asked for more detail, the answer was essentially dunno 
 yet. So I guess we'll have to wait and see, although if you 
 have suggestions / want to keep up to date, infrastructure@ 
 is the place to be.
 

That brings up the question, is anyone working on to integrate WebDAV
support with the site plug-in?  

I see a Jira issue for maven-site-plugin that adds webdav support using
Slide, but no activity since Jan:
http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPSITE-17

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Re: future for maven generated websites?

2005-03-27 Thread Brett Porter
There are a few alternatives. If webDAV is the answer from infra, then
we can definitely get that into the site plugin. It is on the todo
list as Tim noted, but the list remains very long at this point :)

The lack of detecting changed documents in the current xdoc plugin is
probably a limitation here too - it reuploads everything.

The other ideas I think are possibilities:
- committing the site to SVN, and automatically updating it on the
live site. An automatic commit is probably quite easy to add to the
site plugin as a deployment method.
- run Maven on the new zones for the projects, and have the live site
pull the content from there.
- a decentralised mechanism that can take a doc method and source
location and run the publish. David Crossley has done something like
this for forrestbot on brutus (which will obviously need a new home
too) and intended to incorporate anakia and Maven too I believe.

I'd intended to wait until the dust settled and it was clearer what
solutions were available. For now, scp'ing to minotaur is still
viable.

The site plugin now supports running a staging site as well so sites
can be publicly reviewed before being pushed live - this is something
I'd like to continue and improve whatever option is chosen to give a
place to publish documentation samples, and to help prevent accidents
where live sites get overwritten by bad settings :)

If anyone is interested in helping out on the Maven side, please just
ping the Maven Dev list - it'd certainly be welcomed.

Cheers,
Brett

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 13:47:18 -0500, Tim O'Brien [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 11:54 AM
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  Subject: Re: future for maven generated websites?
 
  I believe you're really talking about deployment, rather than
  generation. I doubt that any changes will be needed in
  generation itself. The current hand-wavy answer on updating
  web sites when shell accounts go away is WebDAV. I'm not
  sure if anyone has thought this through yet, though - when I
  asked for more detail, the answer was essentially dunno
  yet. So I guess we'll have to wait and see, although if you
  have suggestions / want to keep up to date, infrastructure@
  is the place to be.
 
 
 That brings up the question, is anyone working on to integrate WebDAV
 support with the site plug-in?
 
 I see a Jira issue for maven-site-plugin that adds webdav support using
 Slide, but no activity since Jan:
 http://jira.codehaus.org/browse/MPSITE-17
 
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RE: future for maven generated websites?

2005-03-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
 does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based
 websites when shell access is switched off to the machine
 serving the website?

Yes.  And in the meantime, just update minotaur, and the site will be
synched to the live server.  Which also means that we have a backup of the
live site if the web server were to crash.

--- Noel


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