Re: adding a link from commons.apache.org to Jakarta Commons?

2006-03-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 22:04 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:
 Now Martin's answer becomes very apt - something to sell across the ASF 
 and there will be push back. ie) Good luck.
 
 However, I think it's not a bad idea. commons.apache.org as a Federation 
 for the various Commons projects around the ASF - even if I am suggesting 
 that J-C and J should start to merge into each other. Assuming I'm 
 understanding what you mean by virtual front.

i think that we need to start breaking the legal and formal organisation
from the ontological. all the components in the various commons across
apache are similar in many ways. users should really need to care which
particular committee is charged with oversight.

i think that DOAP can help. the germ's there but it's going to need a
lot richer system of categorisation. the output generated by
projects.apache.org needs some styling but that should be easy enough to
do. 

how about introducing a suitable category and forwarding to that
category?

i like administration being decentralised: any suitable component in any
apache project could join just by declaring the category in the DOAP.

- robert


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Re: Jakarta Sandbox?

2006-03-23 Thread robert burrell donkin
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 15:51 -0300, Felipe Leme wrote:
 Hi Rahul (and others),
 
 First of all, sorry for the delay (but as they say here Better later 
 than never :-)

+1

 Still, I think it worths to create a separate sub-project for the Standard 
 Taglibs - even if it's DOA on activity, it's still a different project 
 (because of the TCK, history, importance of JSTL, etc...)

we're trying to move away from sub-projects so possible a standards
grouping might make more sense. a home for EL as well ;)

- robert


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Re: adding a link from commons.apache.org to Jakarta Commons?

2006-03-23 Thread Andrew C. Oliver

joke
Hey then there could be a [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ALL commons 
projects across the ASF could be developed on it!  I might even 
subscribe several times in order to load test my mail server ;-)

/joke

-Andy

Henri Yandell wrote:


Now Martin's answer becomes very apt - something to sell across the ASF 
and there will be push back. ie) Good luck.


However, I think it's not a bad idea. commons.apache.org as a Federation 
for the various Commons projects around the ASF - even if I am 
suggesting that J-C and J should start to merge into each other. 
Assuming I'm understanding what you mean by virtual front.


The idea of a top level Commons is too much a disjoint umbrella. It 
doesn't fit into the ASF; but the idea of a federation linking the 
various Commons-like bits together does.


Slightly OT, we had someone email the J-C list very recently about a 
.Net commons, but he's really talking about a semi-automated translation 
of J-C to .Net. Those J-C libraries may not make entire sense on a new 
platform.


Hen

On Thu, 23 Mar 2006, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:


Hmmm. Can we remove the useless blurb at the top and just have
commons.a.o rechartered to be a virtual front for commons.*.a.o?

Sanjiva.

On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 08:43 +0600, Sanjiva Weerawarana wrote:


Excellent!

Sanjiva.

On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 19:44 -0500, Henri Yandell wrote:


Here you go:

http://commons.apache.org/

Hen

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Henri Yandell wrote:



I'll give it a shot.

A link from commons.apache.org to Jakarta Commons, XML Commons and 
WS Commons

seems pretty fair.

Hen

On Tue, 14 Mar 2006, Martin Cooper wrote:


On 3/13/06, Sandy McArthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



I know Jakarta Commons isn't a TLP but considering the
commons.apache.org space is vacant how about addins a blurb about 
the

Jakarta Commons.




You'd have to sell this idea across the ASF, not just at Jakarta, and
you'll
likely get more than a little push back. That space was also the 
realm of

Apache Commons when it existed.

--
Martin Cooper


It's the convention that you use your domain as your package. The


Jakarta Commons code is in the package org.apache.commons, not
org.apache.jakarta.commons. Also a number of times I've seen s stack
trace and simply reveresed the package name parts and pasted it 
into a

browser in an attempt to find out more about the code.

I'm thinking a blurb at the bottom to the effect of:

hr/
If you came here looking for Java code in the org.apache.commons
packages then go see the a
href=http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/;Apache Jakarta Commons/a
page.

--
Sandy McArthur

He who dares not offend cannot be honest.
- Thomas Paine

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