Re: [PROPOSAL] Tiles as the seed for Jakarta Web Components
I believe that this would be a great way to bootstrap this new community. If this were a formal vote, then I, as both a Struts PMC and a Jakarta PMC member, would throw a binding +1 your way. -- James Mitchell On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Martin Cooper wrote: There has been considerable discussion, on this list and others, about the creation of a Jakarta Web Components sub-project (also previously known as Jakarta Silk). I believe the concensus has been in favour of creating it. However, we seemed to get bogged down, several times, in discussions of the name, or of exactly which pieces of Jakarta Commons, Jakarta Taglibs, etc., should move to the new sub-project. Meanwhile, over at Struts, we have had a number of discussions about the future of Tiles[1], currently a Struts sub-project. We have been working hard to make Tiles independent of Struts, and are close to achieving that goal. With Tiles no longer depending on Struts, it makes little sense for it to remain a part of the Struts project. In fact, it is much more likely to flourish outside of Struts. The proposal, then, is to create the Jakarta Web Components sub- project, and make Tiles the first citizen of that sub-project. This simultaneously achieves several objectives: 1) We actually get started with the Jakarta Web Components sub- project. 2) We can defer discussion of which other parts of Jakarta move there. 3) We create a logical home for the now-Struts-independent Tiles. While Tiles is a powerful templating framework, it is actually a fairly small code base, making it a good candidate for an independent web component. It is still being developed, so we would not be seeding Jakarta Web Components with a dormant component. Several of the Struts committers (many of whom are already Jakarta committers) would come here to continue working on Tiles, and to help build the Jakarta Web Components sub- project. Once Jakarta Web Components is up and running, it would, of course, be up to the various communities surrounding Commons and Taglibs components, and potentially other Jakarta sub-projects, as to whether or not they choose to join the new sub-project. The goal of this proposal is simply to seed the sub-project and get the ball rolling. Comments? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tiles as the seed for Jakarta Web Components
This sounds great, Martin. But if i may be forgiven a little semantic nitpicking, my understanding of previous discussions is that JWC would be a grouping rather than a sub-project. So Tiles would be directly a Jakarta sub-project, rather than a sub-sub-project (i.e. becoming Jakarta Tiles, not Jakarta Web Components Tiles). I do also like Andrew's term sub-community as that describes the true intent of having these groupings. As far as a formal scope to be attached to the Jakarta Web Components group goes, i would propose that members of the JWC should be java components developed primarily for use in the development of web applications. On 4/24/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been considerable discussion, on this list and others, about the creation of a Jakarta Web Components sub-project (also previously known as Jakarta Silk). I believe the concensus has been in favour of creating it. However, we seemed to get bogged down, several times, in discussions of the name, or of exactly which pieces of Jakarta Commons, Jakarta Taglibs, etc., should move to the new sub-project. Meanwhile, over at Struts, we have had a number of discussions about the future of Tiles[1], currently a Struts sub-project. We have been working hard to make Tiles independent of Struts, and are close to achieving that goal. With Tiles no longer depending on Struts, it makes little sense for it to remain a part of the Struts project. In fact, it is much more likely to flourish outside of Struts. The proposal, then, is to create the Jakarta Web Components sub-project, and make Tiles the first citizen of that sub-project. This simultaneously achieves several objectives: 1) We actually get started with the Jakarta Web Components sub-project. 2) We can defer discussion of which other parts of Jakarta move there. 3) We create a logical home for the now-Struts-independent Tiles. While Tiles is a powerful templating framework, it is actually a fairly small code base, making it a good candidate for an independent web component. It is still being developed, so we would not be seeding Jakarta Web Components with a dormant component. Several of the Struts committers (many of whom are already Jakarta committers) would come here to continue working on Tiles, and to help build the Jakarta Web Components sub-project. Once Jakarta Web Components is up and running, it would, of course, be up to the various communities surrounding Commons and Taglibs components, and potentially other Jakarta sub-projects, as to whether or not they choose to join the new sub-project. The goal of this proposal is simply to seed the sub-project and get the ball rolling. Comments? -- Martin Cooper [1] http://struts.apache.org/struts-action/struts-tiles/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tiles as the seed for Jakarta Web Components
On 4/25/06, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'd be against another commons style sub-community. Unless you can show me a defined scope, web components means nothing, then expect my objection. Understood. A formal scope does need to be written down and agreed upon. However, I believe that concensus on the gist of such a scope has already happened, between the lines, in the numerous previous threads on JWC on various lists. -- Martin Cooper -Andy James Mitchell wrote: I believe that this would be a great way to bootstrap this new community. If this were a formal vote, then I, as both a Struts PMC and a Jakarta PMC member, would throw a binding +1 your way. -- James Mitchell On Apr 24, 2006, at 11:56 PM, Martin Cooper wrote: There has been considerable discussion, on this list and others, about the creation of a Jakarta Web Components sub-project (also previously known as Jakarta Silk). I believe the concensus has been in favour of creating it. However, we seemed to get bogged down, several times, in discussions of the name, or of exactly which pieces of Jakarta Commons, Jakarta Taglibs, etc., should move to the new sub-project. Meanwhile, over at Struts, we have had a number of discussions about the future of Tiles[1], currently a Struts sub-project. We have been working hard to make Tiles independent of Struts, and are close to achieving that goal. With Tiles no longer depending on Struts, it makes little sense for it to remain a part of the Struts project. In fact, it is much more likely to flourish outside of Struts. The proposal, then, is to create the Jakarta Web Components sub-project, and make Tiles the first citizen of that sub-project. This simultaneously achieves several objectives: 1) We actually get started with the Jakarta Web Components sub-project. 2) We can defer discussion of which other parts of Jakarta move there. 3) We create a logical home for the now-Struts-independent Tiles. While Tiles is a powerful templating framework, it is actually a fairly small code base, making it a good candidate for an independent web component. It is still being developed, so we would not be seeding Jakarta Web Components with a dormant component. Several of the Struts committers (many of whom are already Jakarta committers) would come here to continue working on Tiles, and to help build the Jakarta Web Components sub-project. Once Jakarta Web Components is up and running, it would, of course, be up to the various communities surrounding Commons and Taglibs components, and potentially other Jakarta sub-projects, as to whether or not they choose to join the new sub-project. The goal of this proposal is simply to seed the sub-project and get the ball rolling. Comments? - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [PROPOSAL] Tiles as the seed for Jakarta Web Components
On 4/25/06, Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This sounds great, Martin. But if i may be forgiven a little semantic nitpicking, my understanding of previous discussions is that JWC would be a grouping rather than a sub-project. So Tiles would be directly a Jakarta sub-project, rather than a sub-sub-project (i.e. becoming Jakarta Tiles, not Jakarta Web Components Tiles). Yes, you are correct, Tiles would be a Jakarta sub-project within the JWC grouping. I guess I was trying to simplify the proposal for those who haven't paid as much attention to the whole grouping thing, but in retrospect, that probably wasn't such a great idea. ;-) I do also like Andrew's term sub-community as that describes the true intent of having these groupings. As far as a formal scope to be attached to the Jakarta Web Components group goes, i would propose that members of the JWC should be java components developed primarily for use in the development of web applications. That's a good start. I'm not sure it's enough, but we could start from there. -- Martin Cooper On 4/24/06, Martin Cooper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There has been considerable discussion, on this list and others, about the creation of a Jakarta Web Components sub-project (also previously known as Jakarta Silk). I believe the concensus has been in favour of creating it. However, we seemed to get bogged down, several times, in discussions of the name, or of exactly which pieces of Jakarta Commons, Jakarta Taglibs, etc., should move to the new sub-project. Meanwhile, over at Struts, we have had a number of discussions about the future of Tiles[1], currently a Struts sub-project. We have been working hard to make Tiles independent of Struts, and are close to achieving that goal. With Tiles no longer depending on Struts, it makes little sense for it to remain a part of the Struts project. In fact, it is much more likely to flourish outside of Struts. The proposal, then, is to create the Jakarta Web Components sub-project, and make Tiles the first citizen of that sub-project. This simultaneously achieves several objectives: 1) We actually get started with the Jakarta Web Components sub-project. 2) We can defer discussion of which other parts of Jakarta move there. 3) We create a logical home for the now-Struts-independent Tiles. While Tiles is a powerful templating framework, it is actually a fairly small code base, making it a good candidate for an independent web component. It is still being developed, so we would not be seeding Jakarta Web Components with a dormant component. Several of the Struts committers (many of whom are already Jakarta committers) would come here to continue working on Tiles, and to help build the Jakarta Web Components sub-project. Once Jakarta Web Components is up and running, it would, of course, be up to the various communities surrounding Commons and Taglibs components, and potentially other Jakarta sub-projects, as to whether or not they choose to join the new sub-project. The goal of this proposal is simply to seed the sub-project and get the ball rolling. Comments? -- Martin Cooper [1] http://struts.apache.org/struts-action/struts-tiles/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
