Re: [commons] download releases link broken

2007-08-10 Thread Niall Pemberton
On 8/9/07, Julius Davies [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Go here:

 http://commons.apache.org/

 Click on Releases (mirrored) link on the left (underneath Download).

 Unfortunately it points to:

 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/downloads/downloads_commons.html

 Which returns 404.

Fixed, thanks.

Niall

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 Julius Davies

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Re: [discuss] Slide + HttpComponents = TLP

2007-08-10 Thread Roland Weber
 While I would like to get rid of HttpClient 3.x rather
 sooner than later, there's no denyig that it will stay
 with us for several years to come. From this angle, it
 would make sense to move the WebDAV client as it is.
 
 Maybe that could be the first step.

If there is a reasonable interest of developers to
help support the 3.x based WebDAV client, I am in
favor of cutting it out. I hope that this discussion
will heat up a bit next week. (while I'm away...)

Leaving the server-side code of Slide in Jakarta
will surely give the new project a better start.
That code would be a huge burden on my mind, and
probably not mine alone.

cheers,
  Roland


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Re: [discuss] Slide + HttpComponents = TLP

2007-08-10 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
2007/8/10, Roland Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
  Martin's and
  also my hopes had been that when the - indeed useful - WebDAV client
  was moved to a different project it could actually be revived. Reasons
  are that it is functional, useful and of much less complexity than the
  server. I would at least volunteer to support the initial move
  (including cleanup) to HttpComponents and once it is there am
  confident it will attract further contributors. The command line
  client should be dropped, really.

 So the idea would be to leave the server part behind and
 just cut out the WebDAV client based on HttpClient 3.x
 during the move?
 HttpClient 4.x has no API similarity to 3.x at all,
 so it is inevitable that the WebDAV client be ported
 to the new 4.0 API if it's supposed to have a future.
 Content related parts should be re-usable, but everything
 on the method level will need to be re-written.

Got that.

 Moving Slide, or the WebDAV client from Slide, is one
 option. Another option is to leave Slide and it's 3.x
 based WebDAV client behind and just start with a new
 WebDAV client based on the 4.0 API in the new project.
 That would significantly reduce the administrative
 overhead and does not preclude code re-use from Slide.

Maybe that could be a second step.

 While I would like to get rid of HttpClient 3.x rather
 sooner than later, there's no denyig that it will stay
 with us for several years to come. From this angle, it
 would make sense to move the WebDAV client as it is.

Maybe that could be the first step.

WDYT?

Oliver

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Re: [discuss] Slide + HttpComponents = TLP

2007-08-10 Thread Roland Weber
Oliver Zeigermann wrote:
 Martin's and
 also my hopes had been that when the - indeed useful - WebDAV client
 was moved to a different project it could actually be revived. Reasons
 are that it is functional, useful and of much less complexity than the
 server. I would at least volunteer to support the initial move
 (including cleanup) to HttpComponents and once it is there am
 confident it will attract further contributors. The command line
 client should be dropped, really.

So the idea would be to leave the server part behind and
just cut out the WebDAV client based on HttpClient 3.x
during the move?
HttpClient 4.x has no API similarity to 3.x at all,
so it is inevitable that the WebDAV client be ported
to the new 4.0 API if it's supposed to have a future.
Content related parts should be re-usable, but everything
on the method level will need to be re-written.

Moving Slide, or the WebDAV client from Slide, is one
option. Another option is to leave Slide and it's 3.x
based WebDAV client behind and just start with a new
WebDAV client based on the 4.0 API in the new project.
That would significantly reduce the administrative
overhead and does not preclude code re-use from Slide.

While I would like to get rid of HttpClient 3.x rather
sooner than later, there's no denyig that it will stay
with us for several years to come. From this angle, it
would make sense to move the WebDAV client as it is.

cheers,
  Roland


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Re: [discuss] Slide + HttpComponents = TLP

2007-08-10 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
2007/8/6, Roland Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
 Oleg Kalnichevski wrote:
 
  Slide seems pretty inactive at the moment. I am just wondering how many
  developers out there would be willing to contribute on a more or less
  regular basis to the maintenance and further development of Slide, or
  the new TLP will effectively end up tasked with the job of trying to
  recreate the community around the old Slide code base, albeit with a
  somewhat reduced scope.

 Indeed a valid concern. This discussion should show how much
 interest there is in the Slide community. I'm not eager to sift
 through the backlog of 180 open issues on my own.
 If the Slide community is inactive, I'd prefer that HttpComponents
 goes TLP on it's own with a transport scope. Client WebDAV support
 could be added if and when community interest arises, and we
 wouldn't have a huge chunk of code with which we're not familiar.

I agree that there is little chance to revive the server part of Slide
for reasons that should not be discussed here. However, Martin's and
also my hopes had been that when the - indeed useful - WebDAV client
was moved to a different project it could actually be revived. Reasons
are that it is functional, useful and of much less complexity than the
server. I would at least volunteer to support the initial move
(including cleanup) to HttpComponents and once it is there am
confident it will attract further contributors. The command line
client should be dropped, really.

Oliver

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Re: HttpClient 3.x Homepage

2007-08-10 Thread Roland Weber
Hello Henri,

 Sorry, yeah. Just doing things at the macro level and then trying to
 figure out what got screwed up lower down.
 
 So what should we do?

Since it's too late to keep the page in place,
we thought about setting it up somewhere below
//jakarta.a.o/httpcomponents/ and redirecting
from //commons.a.o/httpclient/ back to Jakarta.

Oleg meant to combine that with the 3.1 release,
but we could also just move the page for now.
I have some time I can spend on it this weekend.

cheers,
  Roland


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Re: [discuss] Slide + HttpComponents = TLP

2007-08-10 Thread Oliver Zeigermann
2007/8/10, Roland Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
  While I would like to get rid of HttpClient 3.x rather
  sooner than later, there's no denyig that it will stay
  with us for several years to come. From this angle, it
  would make sense to move the WebDAV client as it is.
 
  Maybe that could be the first step.

 If there is a reasonable interest of developers to
 help support the 3.x based WebDAV client, I am in
 favor of cutting it out. I hope that this discussion
 will heat up a bit next week. (while I'm away...)

Let's see if there is...

 Leaving the server-side code of Slide in Jakarta
 will surely give the new project a better start.
 That code would be a huge burden on my mind, and
 probably not mine alone.

Right.

Oliver

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