Danny Angus wrote:
... the issue is *only* that
The Apache Jakarta Project and leading Tomcat contributor JBoss
implys that JBOSS is not only a contributor, but *the* major contributor.
Fact is that JBoss is _a_ major contributor to tomcat. So is any company
that have committers working full
Davanum Srinivas wrote:
Rémy,
You will probably need to resend the CCLA...i can't find in the
regular location where ccla's are recorded.
- Can u please explain what you mean by current attitude?
It's already 'explained' in various mailing list archives, including
this thread :-)
- Are u saying
It's never bad to clarify things.
For example ( honestly ! ) it's the first time I hear that the name of
the project is Apache Tomcat. Someone should send a mail to tomcat-dev
to inform them, the tomcat site is under the impression that it's called
Apache Jakarta Tomcat - and almost all docs
Shapira, Yoav wrote:
Hi,
The folks at JPackage.org already track several Jakarta projects and
issue RPMs for them: for example, they've been doing this with Tomcat
for a long time. We appreciate their work. We've spoken on the
tomcat-dev list about issuing our own RPMs, and I think it was Costin
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with
the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ?
Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point.
RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote:
[X] +1 I support this proposal
[ ] -1 I don't support this proposal
[ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal
Costin
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Ted Husted wrote:
Right now, the only plan seems to be to nominate committers one-by-one
on the PMC list. I'm just saying that we shouldn't play favorites. I
believe all Jakarta committers have already earned membership in the
PMC; we should tender the offer to every Jakarta committer and let
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What really saddens me is the idea of chasing them out the door.
To use an analogy, its like being the parents of a family, where the
children, aged from 4 to 40, are all living at home. It strikes me that it
isn't healthy for
I think I missed the VOTE thread where this proposal has been approved.
So far I've seen 2 +1 and 2 -1 votes ( including mine ), this doesn't
seem like a consensus. It's better to wait for the vote to finish ( and
it would be nice to have a [VOTE] thread and a time limit ) before
starting to do
Ted,
I think we must focus on what we agree on - it seems nobody is against
expanding the PMC to include most committers ( or all active committers
who don't decline ).
I'm not sure I understand Geir's current position, but I think he still
agrees we need to include most people. I don't think
Ted Husted wrote:
steward
The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent
an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is
not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the
language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.)
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Radical view: allow the subprojects to send 1-2 delegates to the PMC and
require each subproject to send one or die. This would size the PMC, assure
that heart attack in the crowd syndrome doesn't take place and make the
discussion more manageable. Have the sub projects
Ted Husted wrote:
Michael Davey wrote:
Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand
development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an
otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services.
Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than
Bill Barker wrote:
I'm sure that Craig or other will correct my mistakes (I haven't been here
quite that long :).
Jakarta started as Tomcat and friends after Sun donated Tomcat to the ASF
(hence the name 'Jakarta' :). As the project grew (sign of success),
Jakarta grew to include projects that
robert burrell donkin wrote:
On 4 Dec 2003, at 22:35, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
snip
From a Jakarta PMC perspective, I think that we should cease to support
Sub-sub-projects with the exception of commons.*
i think that it depends on what's meant by sub-sub-projects :)
i'm happy for a
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
On Thu, 2003-12-04 at 20:43, Daniel Rall wrote:
Given Robert's description of his experience with the Incubator, I'm for
the Jakarta Commons to gather some community (direct drop rather than
sandbox route), with the goal of an eventual promotion to a full
You did actually create a sourceforge project for this joke ?
Costin
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Hi All,
I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the
incubator. I'd like for the Jakarta PMC/committers to vote a tacit
approval of the project before we work on
Aslak Hellesøy wrote:
The XDoclet project (http://xdoclet.sourceforge.net/) is considering
applying for Jakarta/Apache membership.
Glad to hear that !
We believe that these differences are sufficient in order to avoid
potential licensing problems with Sun.
I'm not sure I understand
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
have meritocratic consensus based communities. The committers engaged
in the legal agreement with sun cannot talk to the other
committers about important decisions affecting the project and secondly
the major decisions are made in the specification committee and
not
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project
and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a
few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain
decisions which will affect the project.
I'm not
robert burrell donkin wrote:
one of the problems we have in the commons is the number of votes which
spawn threads which go on for ever without any clear conclusion. that's
why i think that announcing clearly when a vote is finished is a good
thing.
IMO all vote results should be at least
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
Vote results? It unclear even when a vote is taking place and who the
nominees are. I thought we just finished a round on the 19th with an
Sorry, my mistake - I was thinking about all vote results in general,
i.e. whatever gets voted on various parts of jakarta.
The
Conor MacNeill wrote:
purely PMC role. All releases of Jakarta sub-projects must be approved by
the PMC. This isn't something that has been done in Jakarta to date,
One good first step in this direction would be to at least Cc: the pmc
list on all [Vote result] messages, so all pmc should be
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 12:18 PM, Sam Ruby wrote:
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases
to the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for
Commons HttpClient where all committers vote
Jeffrey Dever wrote:
I am not excited by the idea of only PMC members voting on releases to
the exclusion of active committers. I'm the release prime for Commons
It is not to the exclusion of active committers.
Http-client is part of jakarta-commons - and acording to the charter any
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
...
Now, under Jakarta, there might be projects on which one might like to be
involved and spend time on (therefore bearing the responsibilities of
being a PMC member over _that_ particular code base), but there might be
project that one don't want to be even remotely
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
ASF members that wish to be more directly involved in this issue can
subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Before anyone asks, yes, this is a
subscriber moderated list.
Note that I don't object to such a list being that way. :-)
I do :-) ( last time I checked - it was
Jason van Zyl wrote:
Gump _never_ used an object model, never. Gump was targeted at overall
control by a small set of people (and it's still that way, no one
outside of Jakarta/XML barely knows what it is) to build sources against
CVS. That's not what Maven was ever targeted at, ever. Maven
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Costin,
what's a 'maven-only' repository?
There are at least 3 build tools in apache: ant is one of them,
gump and maven ( there are more actually ). There are many
projects whose releases will be in such a repositroy. The policy
and the format of the descriptors
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Sure, but let's not lose focus of what this is for. Distribution?
Building? A company/individual can set up their own repository of jars (we
all do) that they've accepted licenses for. The 'tools' should be able to
work with that set up, similar to how Maven does
+1 ( a bit too long, but good !)
Costin
Rodent of Unusual Size wrote:
okey, i'm wading in here, noting as i do the angels high-tailing
it in the other direction.. :-)
i'm ccing community@apache because i think portions of this
discussion are important to the entire asf developer
I'm +1 overall - but I have few sugestions and proposals.
First: if it will be a jakarta project, I would like it to be all-jakarta,
like gump - any jakarta ( apache ) committer should have access to it. I
consider this an requirement ( I won't vote +1 without this ). I think
that jakarta
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
I would sugest proposing Version to ant.
Why? It seems to me that versioning and resource updating-retriving is
really tied together. Why Ant?
If it gets included in ant1.5 - more people will have access to it by
default, and more likely will be for other projects
On Wed, 5 Feb 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I am not very happy with the maven layout - which includes only jars.
If this is aproved - I would like it to require a layout that supports
all project components. I assume ( hope ) that part of this project
will be an effort to convert jakarta
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Can't do it. I will never collaborate on anything with Nicola Ken
Barozzi. And if I have to say it in public I will. I would probably
participate in anything but not with him.
wow... :-(
I don't know what wow means - but it is absolutely normal for any
community.
The only problem is that Tapestry originally had a special, built-in web
page for creating Log4J loggers (nee categories), and changing Log4J
levels
(nee priorities). This used addtiional methods in Log4J Logger for
setting
the level, and elsewhere for creating new loggers. The
Stefan Hepper wrote:
- Pluto is only the reference implementation for the Portlet API defined
in the JSR 168
This is comparable with the tomcat being the servlet container and
implementing the servlet API.
Pluto itself is only a infrastructure component. All portal related
functionality
James Mitchell wrote:
So the suggestion is:
All Users lists become forums.
Developer lists stay.
I will fight to my dying breath to make sure this DOESN'T happen (with
what little persuation I can muster). I have come to rely deeply on
these lists.
+1
I spend my offline hours
Alex McLintock wrote:
At 17:41 21/01/03, you wrote:
One more question: why not doing this as a subproject of JetSpeed ?
It is an existing jakarta project, the scope matches - why
creating a separate jakarta community instead of joining the
existing one ?
I assume that it would be a tool
+1 for all.
+1 for Glen Stampoultzis ( cutpasted last name :-) and Robert Burrel
Donkin.
Costin
Sam Ruby wrote:
Reorging the Jakarta PMC apparently has become an annual event. This
year will be no different. I've had lengthy talks with the Apache
Board, and this has caused me to
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
BTW - thanks for taking the time to fix the bugs in regexp, and
congratulations to the jakarta-regexp team for completing the
project ! :-)
Thanks for being a complete idiot Costin.
I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal,
and should
Sam Ruby wrote:
Gump is now two years old. It has had contributions from over a dozen
people, about a half-dozen this month alone. There seems to be a
renewed interest in gump (some in response to a little nudging grin).
Considering all of this, what I would like to propose is that the
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/19 8:04 AM, Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I meant it very seriously - I think every project should have a goal,
and should eventually reach the goal in a finite amount of time. The
fact that jakarta-regexp just works and has met its goals
Whenever you feel the time is right, you have my +1 :-)
It would be great if it would be added in jakarta-commons.
Costin
Ara Abrahamian wrote:
XDoclet (xdoclet.sf.net) also has some plans for moving to apache. I
kept an eye on Tapestry's transition process. I'm not sure when it's the
Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
on 2002/12/18 7:36 AM, Sam Ruby [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Such codebases (for example, regexp) are heavily
depended upon and so interwoven into the fabric of many Jakarta
subprojects that it is hard to imagine removing then from the ASF
despite the somewhat
On Mon, 2002-12-02 at 16:41, Sam Ruby wrote:
Separate code bases with separate communities should be separate
projects. Independent of the size of the codebase, if the size of
the community is only a few people, then it is not an ASF project.
Such efforts can be pursued outside of
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Does it use the same mail verification program?
Messages are delivered to my Qmail, will through SpamAssassin and McAfee
for viruses, if that's what you're asking.
Gmane uses a mail verification mechanism - they don't allow posting of
any message until you confirm
Hi Pier,
Is this a feed from gmane ? Does it use the same mail verification
program? Do you plan to take the whole feed ( including non apache lists )?
Costin
Pier Fumagalli wrote:
Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Vincent Massol [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
- how fresh are the
+1 !
While at the moment I don't seek ASF membership, I think
it would be excelent if more jakarta commiters who
are and have been active in this community send mail
to the pmc and ask those who are members for nomination.
Costin
Morgan Delagrange wrote:
Hi all,
[from a previous thread
I know the feeling... I don't think there is too much to do about
it - the licence allows that, as long as they keep the Apache
copyright.
Costin
--- Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Jon,
I am referring to otherwise honest people who choose to contribute
their enhancements back to
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