Re: Updating the PMC bylaws

2004-08-05 Thread Henri Yandell
of http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html, especially with respect to what you've labeled binary voting - Rod On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Henri Yandell wrote: I'd like to go ahead and update the PMC bylaws to reflect current reality: http://www.osjava.org/~hen/jakarta/management.html

Re: Updating the PMC bylaws

2004-08-05 Thread Henri Yandell
meaning of consensus around here. Also, we may want to reference or crib bits of http://jakarta.apache.org/site/decisions.html, especially with respect to what you've labeled binary voting - Rod On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Henri Yandell wrote: I'd like to go ahead and update the PMC bylaws

Re: Updating the PMC bylaws

2004-08-05 Thread Henri Yandell
sure the cracks in the beauty of the current setup is as obvious to all as it is to me. Once we've described the current situation, we can then move to simplify it. Hen On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Henri Yandell wrote: Ah, good point. I chose a bad word :) Will change 'consensus' to 'community

Re: Updating the PMC bylaws

2004-08-05 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 5 Aug 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: 3. it'd probably be a good idea to refer to another document containing voting guidelines which could be changed more frequently without board approval. I can't see anything suggesting we need

July Board report (draft)

2004-07-19 Thread Henri Yandell
Due to the change of chair last month, we were allowed to defer a month on our report to the board. However it's now a month later, so nearly time to make said report (Wednesday is the meeting). My current draft is at: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/JakartaBoardReport_2dJuly2004 I'll be

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Henri Yandell
I was originally signing packages on the Apache server (as I wasn't used to installing PGP on machines I setup for dev work). It was recommended repeatedly that I get them off as it is a risk to the quality of the authentication. Hen On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Howard Lewis Ship wrote: I wish we

Re: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Henri Yandell
While a single page is necessary for the casual browser, why would a user of Tomcat, who wants to download Tomcat 5, want to goto a list of many other subprojects? http://www.apache.org/dyn/closer.cgi/maven/binaries/maven-1.0.zip seems to be far more of what a user would want to see. However,

Overrode an entry Was: [Jakarta Wiki] Updated: JakartaReport-July2004

2004-07-14 Thread Henri Yandell
Apologies for this Gary, but I think you won't mind. Release news goes higher up, so when Commons Codec is out, it can just appear at the top. It's not a big deal as it's very easy for me to collate the releases from the front page. I'm also aiming to only have subprojects listed (HttpClient

Is Jira and Eyebrowse down? (fwd)

2004-07-13 Thread Henri Yandell
The front page to Jira seems up to me, but I can't click on Jetspeed (which is Paul's JIRA link below). You might be getting OutOfMemory's perhaps. The Maven user list appears to be up and fine however. Hen -- Forwarded message -- Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2004 07:17:03 -0400 From:

Re: Why wiki logs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- site-cvs@ might be better

2004-07-08 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Rainer Klute wrote: Am Do, den 08.07.2004 schrieb Martin Cooper um 1:09: I think you are arguing against yourself here. ;-) If the people who can make changes should be the same people doing the monitoring, which seems to be what you are saying, then it makes perfect

Re: [Jakarta Wiki] Updated: JakartaPMC

2004-07-08 Thread Henri Yandell
It's an example of complaining at people for not doing comments (I fully admit I need to comment more myself). Took a while to notice that the one below is a spelling fix for committe. I wonder if we can configure wiki to make the comment mandatory :) Hen On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Rainer Klute

Re: Why wiki logs to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- site-cvs@ might be better

2004-07-08 Thread Henri Yandell
) and I want to make it more obvious. Hen On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 8 Jul 2004, Rainer Klute wrote: Am Do, den 08.07.2004 schrieb Martin Cooper um 1:09: I think you are arguing against yourself here. ;-) If the people who can make changes should be the same people

Re: [Jakarta Wiki] New: WikiBrazil

2004-07-05 Thread Henri Yandell
Yep, would be good to know who's been adding it (though not that many obvious brazillian names on the list, so might be easy to guess :) ). Seems a bit odd to me. It looks like Apache Brazil and not Jakarta Brazil. Very little there about Jakarta. Apparantly the top line is: Either welcome,

Re: [Jakarta Wiki] Updated: Motivacao

2004-07-05 Thread Henri Yandell
translation spam bots have seen the light ? mvgr, Martin On Mon, 2004-07-05 at 18:37, Henri Yandell wrote: Doing an automatic translation on this page yields complete crap. Random gibberings of the insane (reminds me of the book I just read, the author's persona within the book is of a man who

Re: [PROPOSAL][site] create separate page for commons downloads

2004-07-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Have you already posted a version of your new page somewhere so we can look/complain? What's your next window for attempting it, and how long would you need to freeze releases for (ie) rought estimate of how long infrastructure + you will need)? Hen On Thu, 1 Jul 2004, robert burrell donkin

Jakarta Report - June 2004

2004-06-30 Thread Henri Yandell
== June == === Status === As might be becoming clear now, Geir has handed the position of PMC chair over to Henri Yandell (writing this). The following is a (somewhat bare) report on the month of June to the Jakarta community. One of the chair's roles is to provide a report to the ASF board

Wiki, newsletters, PMC-chair

2004-06-27 Thread Henri Yandell
As the wiki-update emails don't seem to get through to this list, thought I'd let people know I've done a bit of reorganization of the Jakarta Wiki page: http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/ I've also added a bunch of ideas and thoughts. As I now have the responsibility of sending a quarterly

RE: Wiki, newsletters, PMC-chair

2004-06-27 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: As the wiki-update emails don't seem to get through to this list No one ever added the address to the allow list, so they are all pending in the moderator queue. And the sole moderator is rather busy right now. So if the PMC would like to

Moderation Was: Wiki, newsletters, PMC-chair

2004-06-27 Thread Henri Yandell
Heh, I happily dealt with a moderation without even noticing :) Thanks. Is it possible to get a list of moderators to the Jakarta mail lists so we can see where we're thin on coverage? Hen On Sun, 27 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Please add me for both [EMAIL

Re: Tomcat Version 5.0

2004-06-27 Thread Henri Yandell
I suspect what you want is the .exe on: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi that's listed under Tomcat 5.0.25. If you have any problems, you might want to try asking them on the Tomcat User list. Details on how to subscribe are on the mail list page:

Re: [PROPOSAL][site] create separate page for commons downloads

2004-06-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 20 Jun 2004, Stephen Colebourne wrote: PROPOSAL i'd like to shift all jakarta commons component downloads onto separate pages which are linked from the main ones. i think that this will prolong the useful life of the original page without really effecting it's

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject. First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 4 Jun 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: OK, then let me propose this: - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no active committers to nominate us. +1 +1 Let's just go ahead and do this. :-) +1.

Re: Hibernate in Apache projects

2004-04-22 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 21 Apr 2004, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, David Sean Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been reading through the licensing and Im not entirely sure if its compatible with the Apache license. Let's assume for a moment that ASL and LGPL would be compatible. We

Re: [Commons] Sandbox committer policy

2004-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Afaik, the rule is that any apache committer can be granted access to the sandbox without any kind of vote. It doesn't imply that you can't vote a new commons committer in for a sandbox'd component. It's in fact where the Commons concept comes into play. Said new committer cannot help but be

Books on OS Java

2004-03-28 Thread Henri Yandell
Kind of related to the discussion on resources and to a query of mine to the Commons list to mention news about a new book on Jakarta Commons, I've put together a site that lists all [I think] the books on open source Java projects. http://www.osjava.org/pergamum/ Implementation wise, it's a

Re: [site] Sister Resources

2004-03-22 Thread Henri Yandell
Sister resources doesn't sit well with me. It feels like a very odd phrase of English. The only other one I know of is 'Sister Cities', which implies a sense of equality between the cities. Resources (Unofficial) gets my vote, as that lets us link in bits in our own Wiki or personal apache

Re: Jakarta embracing the JCP?

2004-03-19 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 19 Mar 2004, Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: On Mar 19, 2004, at 4:52 PM, Henri Yandell wrote: I'm still in disagreement. I'm founding a lot of this on the idea that Groovy is a good fit for a JSR. There's no reason for more than one implementation to exist that I can think

Re: Joining the PMC

2004-03-10 Thread Henri Yandell
Ack'd. Will add you to the forthcoming vote. Hen On Wed, 10 Mar 2004, Mark Thomas wrote: As a Tomcat committer, I would like to become a Jakarta PMC Member. Many thanks, Mark From: Shapira, Yoav [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks for the info. What is the subscribe address for the

Re: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Henri Yandell
Probably best to mail to the geronimo list with the geronimo parts of this, though some of the geronimo people are in jakarta. I do have a todo to write 'simple-jms' which is a single-jvm, memory implementation of the jms spec, but sounds like you've already got network stuff in it, so more than

RE: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Henri Yandell
Are they the same product Yoav? Messenger is a tool to make client JMS easier[i think], while the original poster [you deleted the author's name *teasing*] seems to have a JMS server. Hen On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, I saw this one too, but it doesn´t have the ASF

RE: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 5 Mar 2004, Shapira, Yoav wrote: Hi, Are they the same product Yoav? Messenger is a tool to make client JMS easier[i think], while the original poster [you deleted the author's name *teasing*] seems to have a JMS server. ;) I thought Messenger's Messagelet Engine is a

RE: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-05 Thread Henri Yandell
[X] +1 I support this proposal (Binding) [ ] -1 I don't support this proposal [ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail:

RE: Proposal: Jakarta HiveMind Project

2004-03-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Zenaan Harkness wrote: On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 12:13, Noel J. Bergman wrote: (3.2) CVS repositories The package shall use a root branch of the jakarta-hivemind CVS repository. Not Subversion? Is there a pressing reason to go subversion? Well, this is

Re: Wiki Migration

2004-02-26 Thread Henri Yandell
Sounds good to me, I think Commons can work fine as a single Wiki. Continues to allow for interesting inter-component relations. Taglibs also fits well as a single Wiki. +1 (PMC) I'm unsure if either have a wiki, but am prepared to learn the necessaries to migrate if need be. Hen On Fri, 27

Re: HiveMind software grant faxed -- received?

2004-02-24 Thread Henri Yandell
I assume the fax number is the same as for CLAs, so Jim Jagielski. No idea about process etc though. Hen On Tue, 24 Feb 2004, Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: Prashant faxed the HiveMind software grant last week, but we've heard no word of it being recieved. I'm anxious for this to happen so

Re: [website][PROPOSAL] (small) reorganization of news

2004-02-14 Thread Henri Yandell
Sounds like a very good idea to me. [+1] Hen On Sat, 14 Feb 2004, robert burrell donkin wrote: i've now discovered that news from jakarta is being disseminated to a wider audience. this is a good thing but a bit unexpected (at least to me). this raises the issue that we do not - at the

Re: Jakarta commons karma and passwd reset.

2004-02-04 Thread Henri Yandell
I suspect the excuse is that root's been busy with all the email virus. The [EMAIL PROTECTED] mail list is where you can get this solved, they're meant to be handling root-like tasks. Sandbox access should be pretty easy to get [just ask on commons-dev mailing list] once you have your password

[test] ignore

2004-01-28 Thread Henri Yandell
sorry, please ignore or make pithy remarks. all apache mail has stopped getting into my inbox for the last day. bizarre. Hen - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Apache License 2.0 came into effect

2004-01-28 Thread Henri Yandell
So far I've just heard that all new releases must be using the new licence post March 1st 2004. Though doesn't hurt to sweep through CVS updating as time allows. Hen On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If all licenses must be updated by March 1st 2004, you'd better get us some

Re: Problems with mail Was: [test] ignore

2004-01-28 Thread Henri Yandell
Nah, I funneled all my [EMAIL PROTECTED] email into another inbox [she was surprised at the amount of spam I get :) ] by accident. Fixed now and I only missed a little. Thanks, Hen On Wed, 28 Jan 2004, Santiago Gala wrote: El miércoles, 28 ener, 2004, a las 14:42 Europe/Madrid, Henri

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Henri Yandell
A vote is on-going at the moment [ends Sunday] for 20 or so people, but I've not heard of any movement on the plans to increase in a more aggressive way. Hen On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Anything happening in this regard? -Harish Costin Manolache wrote: Ted Husted

Re: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Henri Yandell
waiting addition to the committee-info. Ideas? Hen On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Thanks, will results be posted here? -Harish Henri Yandell wrote: A vote is on-going at the moment [ends Sunday] for 20 or so people, but I've not heard of any movement on the plans to increase

RE: Extending the PMC ( was: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status)

2004-01-14 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004, Noel J. Bergman wrote: I don't understand why anything but the actual vote needs to be in private. There should probably be a public nomination list with reasons for hand picking (if hand picked) and a public results list If you are nominated and not elected people

Re: [maven] developer repostory revisited

2004-01-11 Thread Henri Yandell
A Maven repo that the Apache people can commit to is definitely something that I would like to see happen, however, although ASF want control of such a thing, they don't want to suffer all the bandwidth costs. Why not discuss the following with the Maven guys over at iBiblio: a directory at

Re: Just in case you're curious

2004-01-03 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sun, 4 Jan 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Sat, 3 Jan 2004 12:23:28 -0500 Noel J. Bergman wrote: Everything is back on the private list again. Odd to discuss including more people in the PMC while excluding them from the discussion. It is inappropriate and inconsiderate to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-31 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 1 Jan 2004, Tetsuya Kitahata wrote: On Wed, 31 Dec 2003 12:13:59 -0500 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: If I were the chair of the Jakarta PMC and a board member and favored seeing Jakarta split up into TLPs, I'd do this: 1. Put everyone on the PMC 2. Get them in a reorganization

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-30 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 30 Dec 2003, Ted Husted wrote: Right now, the only plan seems to be to nominate committers one-by-one on the PMC list. I'm just saying that we shouldn't play favorites. I believe all Jakarta committers have already earned membership in the PMC; we should tender the offer to every

Re: Ontology-based portals - RDF, LDAP, Xindice (was: java@apache)

2003-12-28 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: J.Pietschmann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: This could be interesting, Henri. If we had an formal description of a project, providing its name, resource (www, scm, wiki, etc.) locations, ontological classifications, etc., I imagine that

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Henri Yandell
Agreed on the -1 for the proposal's subject line, yet +1 to Stephen's suggestions of preparing Wiki resources for Jakarta sub-projects that want to move to TLP-ness. I do plan to proactively encourage TLP status for Commons, but as a Commons committer. As a Taglibs committer I'm happy where it

Re: java@apache

2003-12-25 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003, J.Pietschmann wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: This could be interesting, Henri. If we had an formal description of a project, providing its name, resource (www, scm, wiki, etc.) locations, ontological classifications, etc., I imagine that could be useful in

Re: [License] for jars in CVS

2003-12-24 Thread Henri Yandell
As I just happened to notice this on Incubator [AltRMI in fact]: Is all source code distributed by the project covered by one or more of the following approved licenses: Apache, BSD, Artistic, MIT/X, MIT/W3C, MPL 1.1, or something with essentially the same terms? The below is, to my quick

java@apache

2003-12-24 Thread Henri Yandell
(I need to get a real sleep schedule) http://www.apache.org/~bayard/japache/ is a list of all Java projects at Apache that I found. Am just pondering ways in which to display all of them on one site, and thought I'd share. Hen

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-24 Thread Henri Yandell
Post a list of projects and get PMC people to volunteer to post reports, chase up CLAs and improve PMC-to-non-PMC ratio, and record who has volunteered. Keep going until all projects are covered by the minimum number, which can be 1 to start with. Hen On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Ted Husted wrote:

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-23 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 23 Dec 2003, Ted Husted wrote: Make release managers the default stewards My suggestion: Work out what people on the PMC are members of the PMC for. ie) I consider myself a Taglibs and Commons developer [both umberella projects so not great examples]. List which projects people are

Re: [Chair Nominations] Position statements

2003-12-22 Thread Henri Yandell
Before doing this, I'd like to see a final list of nominations on PMC. Then I'd like to see if they are accepted, as not all of them were self-nominations, before going to the General list. Hen On Mon, 22 Dec 2003, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I invite each candidate to create a new subject

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-20 Thread Henri Yandell
On Sat, 20 Dec 2003, Santiago Gala wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El jueves, 18 dici, 2003, a las 15:52 Europe/Madrid, Henri Yandell escribió: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html lists the PMC members up until the previous addition of 20 or so

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer to Jakarta. Who's the best

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Danny Angus wrote: Do you feel that we'll still be an open source organization in more than name if all decisions end up being made on private PMC lists not open to the public? For the record I'm in favour of transacting business HERE. But I would like to respond

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: If the aim of the PMC is to house a vast majority of committers, and if the role of a PMC member is simply to follow some guidelines and regulate development, I don't see the distinction between a PMC member and a committer. If the PMC

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: If the aim of the PMC is to house a vast majority of committers, and if the role of a PMC member is simply to follow some guidelines and regulate development, I

RE: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Noel J. Bergman wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: I would have embraced that idea a year ago, but when discussed it was said to not be an option to have a hierarchy of PMCs below the Jakarta PMC of 7 members. There is a difference between a hierarchy and a confederation

Re: Volunteering for PMC membership

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 3:14 PM, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: Hi, I, Harish Krishnaswamy (harishkswamy), a Tapestry committer, would like to help grow Jakarta in whatever capacity I can and I request my nomination for PMC membership. Hey

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Dirk Verbeeck wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 18, 2003, at 9:30 AM, Andy Armstrong wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: As a slight aside, getting on the PMC list just means nudging an existing member and pointing out that you are an active committer

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
that fits well [Cocoon is Java web development, but only indirectly I think, ditto for Avalon]. Hen On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: How about Jakarta = Java Development? Then, they all seem in place, no? -Harish Henri Yandell wrote: On Thu, 18 Dec 2003, Costin Manolache wrote

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Henri Yandell
Multiple PMCs is not a problem. There are James, Maven people on the Jakarta PMC etc. The idea below still concerns me. If all the PMC's share the same website, who is responsible for the website as a global concept. For example, the need to do mirrors. If a Jakarta-Site PMC exists, all other

Re: Just in case you're curious

2003-12-17 Thread Henri Yandell
subjects have been: how the PMC should work organising a vote or something for a new pmc chair [5 or 6 people nominated so far] how to ensure oversight of jakarta general ramblings about jakarta futures in terms of TLPs and whether social pressure should ever be applied to move a project to

jakarta-future Was: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-07 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Costin Manolache wrote: Or even better - since jakarta has a single PMC, it could also have a single list of committers ( most of them in the single PMC ). Each PMC member can vote about any jakarta issue - including releases of each sub-project, etc. If the distinction

Re: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-04 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 4 Dec 2003, robert burrell donkin wrote: (i'm a little inclined towards db but) i'd support a proposal from the JCS team for a future in either db or jakarta (along the lines outlined above). guys - have you come to any opinions about what's the best option yet? My only worry with

RE: [POLL] Future Of Turbine-JCS

2003-12-04 Thread Henri Yandell
So your preference, as the development-community of JCS, is for a top-level-jakarta project, ie) at the log4j level? If so, we can take that up with the PMC and see what views there are. As the development community, your (and James) views count a lot, though the smallness of community is the

Re: jcs

2003-12-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Sounds like the basic problem is lack of community. Getting community involves publicity and time. Publicity involves web presence and a release. Unless the rest of the turbine community are highly interested in JCS, I'd suggest that joining Commons is the best way for you to gain community.

Re: Jakarta Questions

2003-11-26 Thread Henri Yandell
On Wed, 26 Nov 2003, Rice, Joe wrote: I'm doing a school project on Jakarta and it's Open Source process. I've read everything that I could find online and still had a few questions: 1. The PMC bylaws say that there are only 7 PMC members. But the credits page lists 38 people for the

Re: [general] Updating 'whoweare.html'

2003-11-14 Thread Henri Yandell
list and the whoweare to compare tomorrow night. This marks the end of this special limited offer. Hen On Mon, 10 Nov 2003, Henri Yandell wrote: [in case it's not obvious, this email pertains only to Jakarta committers] http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html is the informal way

Re: [NOTICE] to all jakarta committers

2003-11-13 Thread Henri Yandell
Slightly OT for us at Jakarta, but would it be worth us requesting that infrastructure guys do this by default? Any person getting an apache account has another email address, so if it by default sets up a .forward as a part of the new user creation process, it'll save a lot of this pain. Hen

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, mohammad nabil wrote: Vic, Notwithstanding your arguments this is not the appropriate forum for this. This list is for project management discussion regarding the Jakarta project. Geronimo is not under the jursidiction of the Jakarta project. If you want to make

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Daft question, possibly, but could someone summarise the IP issue that was happening over HiveMind and how it is currently resolved. I've not been following the thread, but I've seen the noise. Is everything squared away and happy? Hen On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Nayak, Prashant wrote: Proposal

Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Vic Cekvenich wrote: I think that this is the right list, very few people are intrested about the incubator. This is about ASF reputation. (It is also about the OSS reputation, including BSD, Linux, CodeHus, etc.) Why not mail the httpd list then? Or the Ant list?

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
So this proposal is dependent on the grant? Any time line on that? [not trying to get in the way, jsut to do the pmc-thing] On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The offending IP has been taken off-line: this includes the HiveMind CVS repository, the temporary downloads directory and

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Cool. Could this be added as a note to the proposal? As a dependency or whatever. Hen On Tue, 11 Nov 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From talking with Prashant, the grant is in-progress. Given that these discussions tend to ramble on for a couple of weeks, I think the grant will be ready long

Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-11 Thread Henri Yandell
Quoting: Note: the current code base reflects an alternate package name, org.apache.commons.hivemind. Subsequent research has shown that HiveMind is not a suitable candidate for the Jakarta Commons. The existing code base will be migrated to the new package during the transition out of the

Re: Call on Stein to resin

2003-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
[for amusement value. mine mainly. i don't speak for apache in any way] I too call on Greg to move to Resin. Not that it'll run Python there either, but it'll not run Python faster on port 80. I call on Vik to increase his monthly flames to be once a week, the userbase is demanding more of your

[general] Updating 'whoweare.html'

2003-11-10 Thread Henri Yandell
[in case it's not obvious, this email pertains only to Jakarta committers] http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html is the informal way for Jakarta to let the users know who we are. When you become a Jakarta committer, it is hoped that you will add your name and even a description if you so

Re: MPl and ASL compatible?

2003-10-03 Thread Henri Yandell
Depends what you mean by compatible. [IANAL..] BSD licence is a effectively a template licence. ASL is effectively the Apache-instance of a BSD licence. Anything under an ASL licence is owned by Apache. BSD licences are compatible with GPL licences in that if a GPL licence uses a BSD compnent,

Re: Repeat Request: Link to my and ESR's Asking Smart Questions page

2003-09-30 Thread Henri Yandell
your forum carefully. on http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html Hen On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Henri Yandell wrote: Will fix. On Tue, 30 Sep 2003, Rick Moen wrote: I realise it's difficult to discern legitimate mail from spam, etc. arriving at webmaster aliases, but this request has been

Jakarta Site/index.html

2003-09-04 Thread Henri Yandell
What's the plan for this? [The redirect we have on the index.html at the moment]. When are we going to remove it. How do we ensure that people don't blow it away when they push up news for a release? I did: cp index.html redirect.html cp index2.html index.html cvs -d :pserver:[EMAIL

Re: We want to donate a XML / Cocoon / EJB / WebStart - based CMS

2003-08-29 Thread Henri Yandell
Some views: You have a large blob of code with a small number of developers. Some suggest this means you need to get a sourceforge project and get a community going there, but I think that's poor if that's the only way. My recommendation is that you find 3 Apache committers to sponsor your

Re: [Apache Newsletter Draft] News on Jakarta in July, 2003

2003-08-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Just thought I'd point out that the Apache Newsletter is sharing namespace with http://www.apacheweek.com/. I've no idea what that's relationship is to ASF. I've been getting it for years and only just realised that it's not from apache.org. So you might have some confused readers. Hen On Fri,

RE: mail2.html - mail.html

2003-07-20 Thread Henri Yandell
That's all very well and good. But why do I have to read the rules to go look at the archives? That frustrates me every time I want to search the archives. Hen On Sun, 20 Jul 2003, Danny Angus wrote: I believe the idea is to make people read the rules first, I wouldn't advise changing it

Re: Apache != HTTPD

2003-07-17 Thread Henri Yandell
On Thu, 17 Jul 2003, Alex McLintock wrote: Brian McCallister wrote: At 16:28 17/07/03, Erik Price wrote: Spoken out loud, I use Apache Web Server and in writing I use Apache HTTPD. Once the context is clear (that I am referring to the software and not the organization), I typically

Re: [VOTE] Howard Lewis Ship PMC Nomination

2003-07-03 Thread Henri Yandell
+1 Howard for King On Thu, 3 Jul 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: +1 On 7/3/03 4:59 PM, Howard M. Lewis Ship [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anything every happen on this? I remember ACO sending out a message, but I don't know if it every made it to a vote. I'd really like to pursue

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Tuesday, April 1, 2003, at 03:21 PM, Tom Copeland wrote: +1 if I could just think of a BUSINESS PROPOSAL that could put this to use Let me help you get started: Hello honored sir, my name is Mkwila Mnembi, and I am the

Re: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell
Is this reply FAQ/Wiki'd somewhere? Seems to me to be a good set of questions to ask of an LGPL project to cause happiness all around. Assuming it's okay with the powers that be, boards/committees/usuals. Hen On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Can you get Mark Wutka to state that

Re: XDoclet2@Jakarta and LGPL libraries.

2003-04-01 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003, Sam Ruby wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Can you get Mark Wutka to state that his LGPL explicitly permits linking and that section 6 of the LGPL does not apply to end users, etc etc? Is he the copyright holder? If so than you should be good to go (from my

Re: PMC chair nominations?

2003-03-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Sam Ruby wrote: Morgan Delagrange wrote: Sam said that we should obtain nominations for chair from people in the (potentially expanded) PMC ranks by the 16th, followed by [a]n election where every member of the PMC has one vote...to be completed on the 18th.

PMC changes?

2003-03-18 Thread Henri Yandell
Does http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html represent the PMC as it currently is, or does it need updating? What's the status of: Future steps will include introduction of a concept of an emeritus PMC member, reinstating prior PMC members who are still active. ? [Sam Ruby, Jan 16th, PMC

Re: PMC changes?

2003-03-18 Thread Henri Yandell
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Sam Ruby wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: Does http://jakarta.apache.org/site/whoweare.html represent the PMC as it currently is, or does it need updating? From the ASF's perspective, the official list is in the 'committers' cvs repository in a file named board

Re: PMC changes?

2003-03-18 Thread Henri Yandell
Ok ok. Done. On Tue, 18 Mar 2003, Sam Ruby wrote: Henri Yandell wrote: I've updated the site from the file. Btw, Thomas Mahler's name is not in alphabetical order in the file. You updated the site but you didn't update the file? Are you waiting for permission or something

Re: so many jars

2003-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Right, now for my question : The dependancies for many projets are pretty much the same, projets come with the jars they depend on (and some do not) which makes for a lot of duplication. Is there a quick way around this, a quick way to avoid

RE: so many jars

2003-03-14 Thread Henri Yandell
at compile-time maybe :) But you still end up with jar duplication, you just get to avoid having to think about it too much when compiling. On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Paulo Silveira wrote: You are looking for MAVEN, thats it Jar duplication is history

Re: Free java profiler tools for open source projects?

2003-03-13 Thread Henri Yandell
I'm guessing it is: EclipseProfiler http://sourceforge.net/projects/eclipsecolorer/ Built in profiler On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, [iso-8859-1] Stéphane Mor wrote: On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 11:49:40AM -0500, otisg wrote: I don't know of any commercial profilers that open source developers can use,

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