Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta
Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok, I've followed the commons TLP vote thread with some interest because it seems to impact directly on the end-game for Jakarta This thread has been more quiet than I expected. A couple of quick thoughts: Henri and Henning seem to have the same ideas about Jakarta becoming a portal or federation and I'm +1 for that. I think that's a great idea and it's low maintenance. Really, what more would you need than the general@ list? As for dormant code, leave it where it is. If we still have a few committers working on it and making releases occasionally, then we'd still need a functional PMC. Otherwise, if we get enough noise about a subproject, it can be revived (perhaps with help from the Incubator). And the site should be as self-maintaining as possible, picking up news and releases from all other java projects at apache. I would think there is no more qualified group of people to put together such as site than we have in Jakarta/Apache. -- J Aaron Farr jadetower.com[US] +1 724-964-4515 馮傑仁 cubiclemuses.com [HK] +852 8123-7905 - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Release Regexp 1.5
Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You have to be kidding me.. The only problem I see is that people are all caught up in policies / processes but I've yet to hear what the actual root problem is. I'm sure it's intended to somehow prevent something nasty that has happened in the past but these policies don't have any logic that I'm able to follow. Why does the ASF need to dictate how we vote on releases? Maybe I'm just having a bad morning, but for some reason this really rubs me the wrong way and feels extremely inefficient. The problem is that Vote-Then-Release leaves opportunities for the small details to get missed and you end up with a sloppy release. Examples include non-signed distributables, incomplete legal notices, missing or incorrect hashes. The worst is someone slipping in some malicious code in between the time the vote is cast and the release is made. When a PMC votes on a release they should be approving the exact bits that hit the mirrors. That vote binds the ASF to be _legally_ responsible. The only way to have sufficient and appropriate oversight is to give the PMC a chance to check that these final steps of a release have been properly handled. Otherwise the PMC risks releasing a half baked product. It is completely appropriate for the ASF to set guidelines on release procedures. -- jaaron (who is not on the Jakarta PMC) - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [VOTE] Release Regexp 1.5
Nathan Bubna [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: that said, i would love to see some more automation of signature/hash/LICENSE/NOTICE/zip-tar-consistency checking. i believe Henk Penning does have some automated signature checking set up, but that's all i know of, and it only happens after the release is out. anyone frustrated with the process is quite welcome to step up and hack up something to ease the frustration. :) ARAT helps: http://code.google.com/p/arat/ And again you can code up a lot of this in Ant or use some of Maven's plugins. -- jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: State of Slide project
On 7/29/06, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: Hm, We should make the effort to distinguish between stable projects/code and dormant/dead code. Totally agree.. Though we have to figure out if slide is dormant or mature. I cannot judge if it is one or the other. Based on the stuff I read on it (eg jackrabbit-dev), it seems more like dormant then mature though. The issue of dormant and stable code is something we need to figure out throughout Apache. For example, I believe Excalibur counts as stable (if not dormant). Similar comments have been made about several other projects. Here are some of the issues about dormant/stable code: We want to avoid the SourceForge syndrome of a lot of inactive projects. I don't like the idea that a new user browsing Apache websites can't tell which ones are active and which ones are not. We need a pathway both into dormancy and out of dormancy. If a new group of developers want to pick up old code and run with it, what's the policy? Fork it? Put it through the incubator? While we have archive.apache.org, that's a little harsh for some of these projects. There still are users and there may be (as henning pointed out) occasional releases. At the same time, do these projects need the overhead of a full PMC and quarterly reporting to the board? My point is, I think we need to come up with a solution that can scale across Apache so that we can send a consistent message to our users. -- jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Managing communities and emails (was Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta Language Components)
On 3/14/06, Thomas Dudziak [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps a forum frontend would be even better for users, at least for non-power-users. You mean like Nabble? (http://www.nabble.com) I like Simon's proposal. I know I need something that better allows me to manage the number of lists I'm on and a way to better filter converstations I'm interested in. Henri recently blogged something similar about a mailing list client: http://blog.generationjava.com/roller/page/bayard?entry=to_gmail_or_not_to -- jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: future for maven generated websites?
On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:01:07 +0100, robert burrell donkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: given that infrastructures talking about switching off accounts on minotaur in a matter of months and there's work that's going to be needed to be done, it's probably worth trying to pull some stuff together sooner rather than later. this seems like an apache-wide infrastructure issue for maven so there are a number of lists that might be appropriate for this discussion (maven-dev, infrastructure, general at jakarta). i'd be inclined to leave the thread here (might be easier to find bodies who aren't working on maven right now). opinions? If I remember correctly, there was some talk on infrastructure about creating a whole publishing system with a staging server and a way to generate the sites via maven or ant or whatever. I would suggest moving this discussion over to the infra list. -- jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Javadoc management
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 00:49:08 -0500 (EST), Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interested in finding out if anyone else thinks this would be a good idea. Rather than have each subproject managing their release javadocs separately, I think it would be good if we treated the javadoc more like the releases. Located in a central location, perhaps mirrored, all versions available and perhaps with additional tools like ashkelon or multidoc to bring them together. I guess I'm hoping for something like: http://api.apache.org/$group/$artifact/$version/ with features like * download the javadocs * search javadocs * have javadocs linked to source reference (so maybe have an 'api' and a 'src' directory) * have javadocs linked to each other * include test and taglib javadocs Plus it's got to be pretty simple to set this up or for projects to contribute to it. I like the idea of including javadocs as part of the release process and I like the idea of encouraging projects to host the lastest javadocs on their own site. -- jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: License issue
-Original Message- From: Matthias Wessendorf [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, I have a question containing different licenses. As far as I understand, we are not allowed to ship JARs (for dependency) that are under LGPL. What would be with BSD License? BSD dependencies are fine. Simply make sure you are following the license and include any necessary notices or copyright messages in your NOTICE file. jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Lessons Learned
robert burrell donkin wrote: beware too many organizational layers. flat is best. having a single sub-project with many releasables artifacts sharing the same community space (mailing lists, committer lists, voting eligability and so on) has proved more successful (see jakarta commons) than a complex web of sub-sub-sub-projects. factor along community lines: groups working on different releasables being unhappy about sharing the same community space is a good sign that they are two separate projects. (most modern email clients have good filtering support so provided conventions are adopted, several different code bases can be easily support on a single mailing list. for those unwilling or unable to set up filters, using a news reader and www.gmane.org works well.) +1 Don't be afraid of forks or duplication. If someone wants to try something out on their own, let them. But that doesn't mean you have to host it in the original project. There's plenty of space for similar and even competing software projects. A single project does not have to be everything to everyone. Some other lessons I learned in working with Apache Avalon: http://www.jadetower.org/muses/archives/000146.html jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: error while starting tomcat
-Original Message- From: project member [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] hi all, anyone has a solution for this exception while i start tomcat : Apache Tomcat/4.0.4 java.net.BindException: Address already in use: JVM_Bind It means you already have something running on port 8080 which tomcat uses. You need to either close whatever is running on this port or change the port tomcat is running on. To change the port you'll need to edit tomcat's configuration file (conf/server.xml). Some virus scan software use 8080 (I think MacAfee's ePolicy Orchestrator does). However, you really should direct such questions to Tomcat mailing list: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html Better yet, you could use a search engine to find the answers to these sorts of questions: http://www.google.com/search?q=Tomcat+BindException There are also mailing list archives you can search for answers: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ Most of the time you will be able to find the answer yourself via one of these resources. jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[ANN] New Avalon Site
FYI: Apache Avalon has launched a new version of our website: http://avalon.apache.org The site focuses the new single Avalon platform and reflects much of the recent changes in Avalon including the spinning off of the new Apache Excalibur project. As such, much old documentation has been updated, moved, or removed. We're still working on some sections but in the spirit of release early, release often we're live starting now. I'm certain there will be a number of broken links and missing docs due to the changes and we want to make sure we get redirects in place. For example, the Excalibur documentation has been removed and instead there is a link to the new Excalibur project. Likewise the Phoenix documentation has been removed with a pointer to the Loom project at Codehaus. If you have any suggestions, comments, or concerns about the site, please send an email over to the Avalon developers list and we'll gladly figure something out. Thanks! jaaron - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why use maillists??
Quoting Shane Curcuru [EMAIL PROTECTED]: A couple of other reasons to supplement Danny's reply: And one or two of my own: * Mailing lists are a push technology. Forums are more pull. That means I can get the mailing list updates sent to me without having to do anything. Forums require me to regularly check the website and see what's new. * Mailing lists let me browse everything quickly. Each email (or at least the subject title) passes by my eyes. I don't have to dig around in a web site and perhaps miss something because I didn't click on one last link. * Mailing list allow time-shifting of the discussion. This means I can reply to an email sent a few days ago. Forums also allow this, but things like IRC channels do not. That's not that mailing lists are perfect. The archives are often hard to search through and it's easy for good bits of information to get lost. It would be nice to be able to incorporate more of the information in on the mailing list into the website documentation (which a forum allows). Right now a reasonable solution is to make sure you copy and paste good mailing list replies into the community wiki. Things like Gmane which give you newsgroup access to mailing lists are *very* nice and solve some of the drawbacks to mailing lists. Finally, Jakarta did have forums at one time but I don't think they were heavily used: http://issues.apache.org/jive/index.jsp --- jaaron http://jadetower.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Jakarta Questions
Quoting Rice, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'm doing a school project on Jakarta and it's Open Source process. I've read everything that I could find online and still had a few questions: snip/ 2. What is used to determine when a release is ready? When outstanding bugs in Bugzilla are resolved? Or is there another driver? Avalon, which used to be in Jakarta, has a list of links and documents related to the process of release management: http://avalon.apache.org/community/process/release.html As Henri said, the decision to release is made by the project community itself. Each community may have slightly different standards. The most common response will probably be something along the lines of 'it feels right'. --- jaaron http://jadetower.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework
FYI: I think someone wanted this to get forwarded to the Avalon 'general' mailing list, but since that doesn't exist, I thought I'd send it to our dev list. For the Avaloners: There's been a bit of discussion lately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about what to do with Hivemind seeing that it has started to outgrow its current location in commons-sandbox. Some have suggested that it fits better over here in Avalon (as a sub-project) than in Jakarta. In some respects, I agree. I think its a little light to be its own top-level project (hivemind.apache.org) and if you look at the jakarta charters vs avalon charters, Hivemind falls more on the Avalon side of things. Not sure what Howards thoughts are on that. --- Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Howard wrote: 3) Chuck it over to Avalon I've looked to see how we could graft HiveMind into Avalon and vice-versa, but they are really quite different beasts. The type-1 vs. type-2/type-3 split is intrinsic and difficult to reconcile. HiveMind's concept of a module doesn't map so easily into the Avalon space, and HiveMind's free-for-all approach doesn't jive with Avalon's dogmatic security model (including its explicit application construction descriptor). I didn't mean to suggest that you should try to move avalon architecture towards hivemind or vice versa, but I did wonder if there would be support @avalon for an alternative approach as an avalon sub-project. The danger of having an Avalon alternative @jakarta is that it will be seen by people as somehow being Jakarta's favoured solution, rather than as one of two (or more) alternatives promoted by Avalon. If you see what I mean. Of course you went through this whole debate when we discussed whether we needed Tapestry as an alternative to Struts, as equal members of Jakarta neither approach can be seen to be in any way an endorsed or favourite. The same (IMO) would not be true for service frameworks if Hivemind was a Jakarta project not an Avalon one. Hivemind would be seen by some to be Jakarta's favoured solution. FWIW I'm certainly not going to oppose this, Hivemind seems to be a well thought out proposal, but I don't want Jakarta to be accused of trying to replace Avalon, and I guess that will mean involving Avalon folks in the discussion. Imagine the reaction there would be if I proposed a make utility as a Jakarta sub-project, and perhaps you'll get the thrust of my concern. d. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- jaaron http://jadetower.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Call on Stein to resign over Gernimo
On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 00:20, mohammad nabil wrote: we are talking about software here. It's no life and death matter. No one is going to lose their life over this. It's not like a U.S. gov. official leaking the name of a CIA operative to the public. what that mean :s http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/1003/102703gsn1.htm -- jaaron http://jadetower.org - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: so many jars
On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 11:14, Henri Yandell wrote: at compile-time maybe :) But you still end up with jar duplication, you just get to avoid having to think about it too much when compiling. I agree that maven has an excellent jar dependency solution for compile-time, but I don't think there exists any (standard) solution for run-time dependencies in java. Using a system level $CLASSPATH variable becomes painful (as was mentioned). The general solution seems to be a hierarchal set of /lib directories. To have a true run-time jar dependency solution you would need a standard installation and launch mechanism. I suppose something based on JNLP (WebStart) plus some sort of ports or emerge system could do this, but I don't think it exists yet. Interesting idea though. -- jaaron[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Prof Eben Moglen on L/GPL and jars
With all the discussion about licensing with LGPL stuff, I thought this might be interesting to everyone. Comes from the new Slashdot interview with Eben Moglen. (http://interviews.slashdot.org/interviews/03/02/20/1544245.shtml?tid=117tid=123) 2) Clarifying the GPL by sterno One issue that I know has come up for me is how the GPL applies in situations where I'm using GPL software but I'm not actually modifying it. For example, I write a Java application, and it is reliant on a JAR that is GPL'd. Do I then need to GPL my software? I haven't changed the JAR in anyway, I'm just redistributing it with my software. The end user could just as easily download the JAR themselves, it's just a convenience for me to offer it in my package. Eben: The language or programming paradigm in use doesn't determine the rules of compliance, nor does whether the GPL'd code has been modified. The situation is no different than the one where your code depends on static or dynamic linking of a GPL'd library, say GNU readline. Your code, in order to operate, must be combined with the GPL'd code, forming a new combined work, which under GPL section 2(b) must be distributed under the terms of the GPL and only the GPL. If the author of the other code had chosen to release his JAR under the Lesser GPL, your contribution to the combined work could be released under any license of your choosing, but by releasing under GPL he or she chose to invoke the principle of share and share alike. --- jaaron __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
