Re: [Proposal] HiveMind Service Framework

2003-11-12 Thread Berin Loritsch
J Aaron Farr wrote: FYI: I think someone wanted this to get forwarded to the Avalon 'general' mailing list, but since that doesn't exist, I thought I'd send it to our dev list. For the Avaloners: There's been a bit of discussion lately on [EMAIL PROTECTED] about what to do with Hivemind

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-10 Thread Berin Loritsch
Daniel Rall wrote: Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 8/10/02 1:30 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-10 Thread Berin Loritsch
Nick Chalko wrote: -Original Message- From: Rich Persaud [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:26 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: re[2]: Differences between Structs and Turbine ??? Preferred pain is a known pain with an experience-based cap. New and

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Berin Loritsch
Pier Fumagalli wrote: On 8/10/02 1:30 am, Jon Scott Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: on 2002/10/7 5:21 PM, Pier Fumagalli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JSPs are the root of all evil because HTMLers think to have the power (and obligation, after a while) to blatantly destroy your entire

RE: [IMPORTANT] What actions can the ASF take to enforcecopyright?

2002-05-16 Thread Berin Loritsch
? Berin, do you have any pointer/URL for the stolen bits? Both ours and the illegal copy... I believe that we can have someone to write to the offending party and maybe reason with them? Pier Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been informed by someone who felt

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: Nice to see people who are upset about Maven actually recognizing that it is pretty cool and can be made better (have to start somewhere, right?). Berin posted this: Despite my comments on General@, I really like what maven offers. There are some things that I

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 50 cvs actions over the life of the project? OooAhh And who is the hypocrite this time? From a previous post of yours (copy

Re: Maven is growing

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:37 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/3/02 10:19 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/?group_id=36516 50 cvs actions over the life of the project? Ooo

Re: Scarab (was RE: [ANN] in-house mail archive...)

2002-05-03 Thread Berin Loritsch
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Dude... is that available to other projects? Secondly, are there any bugs stored in it? I tried to run a few queries to try it out and got no results. I'd love to try scarab and might convince POI to use it. But I'd rather kinda start sooner rather than later

Re: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

2002-05-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/2/02 2:54 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Centaven Reasoning: I don't see how we can easily do this. The approaches are wildly different at basic levels, e.g. dvsl vs xsl, entities vs external build files for ant, extending GUMPs descriptor vs

Re: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make thedecision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

2002-05-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 5/1/02 11:58 PM, Steven Noels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which basically boils down to let's just invent our own little language and try to get enough people bragging about it It isn't a little language... It is Velocity templates using a well known/used API

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
Michael McCallum wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 I do that because I believe standards are essential - even if 'simpler' pet-solutions exist. Standards are the only way to get people to work togheter - and DocBook, HTML, XSLT are the standards. Microsoft did not

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Berin Loritsch says: There are other dirty underhanded things that M$ did to get where it is today. Don't try to compare us to M$. We're not M$. Whenever someone tells me how much MSFT has done for technology, I can't help but think of how far we might have

Re: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
Craig R. McClanahan wrote: It seems to me that authors of a build environment that they want everyone to use would think about going and asking the potential users (i.e. committers on various other projects) what their requirements are, before any attempt (by those authors, or by anyone

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I hate to interrupt all the good fun over standards, bike sheds, and general good community feelings, but I would like to solicit community opinion on something unrelated to DVSL or Jon Stevens (both of which I like, btw...) You're taking away all the fun :)

Re: jakarta subproject scope (was Re: Quick! convert all your projectsto maven!)

2002-05-01 Thread Berin Loritsch
John McNally wrote: On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 20:38, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 4/30/02 11:31 PM, John McNally [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I do not know where to locate Turbine's original charter and I think it is a good idea to try to follow it. Are these published somewhere or should Turbine

Reality Check (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!)

2002-05-01 Thread Berin Loritsch
There have been alot of talk back and forth about Maven, Krysalis Centipede, GUMP, ANT, etc., and we are all missing some basic points. 1) GUMP is a continuous integration tool. It is not meant to be more than that. I find it an invaluable tool, and the information it gives me is

Re: GUMP RULEZ WAS: Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!

2002-05-01 Thread Berin Loritsch
Steven Noels wrote: Berin, How does that match up with the NIH attitude towards Krysalis? I wasn't aware of a Jakarta/XML project named cruise control.? Hey, this is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] discussion. For some strange and perhaps slightly biased reason,

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-29 Thread Berin Loritsch
-Original Message- From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:12 PM To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: subproject layout conventions Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached is a small screenshot of the maven page

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-29 Thread Berin Loritsch
-Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On 3/29/02 8:26 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Pier Fumagalli [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Attached is a small

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-28 Thread Berin Loritsch
-Original Message- From: Jason van Zyl [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Thu, 2002-03-28 at 09:05, Berin Loritsch wrote: I would definitely like to see a Maven like system across the projects in Jakarta--even if the main site is not altered much. It would be good to give

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-28 Thread Berin Loritsch
-Original Message- From: Leo Simons [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] another lenghty post, so I'll start with a summary: - color variations (and all other lf changes) should be part of the original look-and-feel design. Giving programmers free reign to do this spells disaster.

RE: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-21 Thread Berin Loritsch
From: Andrew C. Oliver [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] BTW. Define: release ;-) That sounds like former persident Bill Clinton with his define sexual relations. Such a question insinuates guilt, and that you are trying to find a letter of the law loop hole to be clever about. Lawers are like

Printable pages

2002-03-21 Thread Berin Loritsch
Could we have two templates for the jakarta pages? The problem is that the embedded tables inside tables inside tables inside tables ... approach of the default template causes many very useful pages to not print nicely. We need a nice template that produces printable pages. That means that

RE: Printable pages

2002-03-21 Thread Berin Loritsch
van Zyl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 08:39, Berin Loritsch wrote: I tried looking at the BCEL manual, and while it looks nice on screen, when I tried to print it out it cut off almost two inches of text. Yup, that's my fault. I will remedy the situation

RE: Printable pages

2002-03-21 Thread Berin Loritsch
In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs to be redesigned. It makes use of embedded tables and font elements. It does not use CSS at all. We also have issues with older browsers. Only versions 5.5 and later will support the Print stylesheet. IE 5.5+ Netscape 6 Mozilla Anything before that,

RE: Printable pages

2002-03-21 Thread Berin Loritsch
-Original Message- From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, March 21, 2002 4:07 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Printable pages on 3/21/02 12:57 PM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In that case, the entire Jakarta site needs

LogKit 1.0.1 Released

2002-01-31 Thread Berin Loritsch
LogKit 1.0.1 Released - The Avalon team is proud to announce the 1.0.1 final release of LogKit. About Avalon The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into five sub projects: Framework, Excalibur, LogKit, Cornerstone, and

The Avalon team is proud to announce Avalon Excalibur 4.1

2002-01-30 Thread Berin Loritsch
Avalon Excalibur 4.1 Released - The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.1 final release of the Avalon Excalibur. About Avalon The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into five sub projects: Framework, Excalibur,

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-10 Thread Berin Loritsch
Sam Ruby wrote: Stephane Bailliez wrote: I can understand why: public void setSomething(Object something){ something = something; } Another solution is public void setSomething(Object something) { this.something = something; } Just beware of this bug: public void

Re: Jakarta Newsletter

2001-12-27 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Scott Stevens wrote: Hi Rob, It is indeed a great idea. However, the two editors given credit at the bottom of the url you posted are Sun employee's who get paid to do the job so they don't really count as 'volunteers'. :) This is true. The Jakarta project has plenty of great

Re: Standard Change Log and ToDo

2001-12-14 Thread Berin Loritsch
Peter Donald wrote: Hi, The advantage of XML for changelogs is that is easier to generate the ChangeLog in whatever format you want. For instance Avalon generates HTML (same format as cactus changelog), GNUs format and a lite text format. We even use it it when generating our

Re: Standard Change Log and ToDo

2001-12-14 Thread Berin Loritsch
Ted Husted wrote: On a similar note, has anyone started a format for a XML Status file, like the one described here: BTW, the Avalon team decided to abandon maintaining a separate TODO file in favor of using BugZilla for the same thing. It is less likely to be lost in the shuffle, thanks to

The Avalon Team is proud to announce Avalon Framework 4.1

2001-12-11 Thread Berin Loritsch
Avalon Framework 4.1 Released - The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.1 final release of the Avalon Framework. About Avalon The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into five sub projects: Framework, Excalibur,

Re: Comment for Apache.org

2001-12-10 Thread Berin Loritsch
lloyd wrote: Wow. It would be really great if you wrote an email that made some logical Having lurked on this list for awhile, I'd say it would be great if you could get through one e-mail exchange without being an asshole. Not again. People, even if you don't like Jon, can we just let

Re: Distributing the JSSE

2001-11-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
Guillaume Rousse wrote: Ainsi parlait Kasper Nielsen : so this is an US export law issue and not a Sun License issue? I think so. It would be possible to distribute it but it would take a lot of work to get all paper work done and I think there was other conditions (ie

License Question (JDBC 2 vs. JDBC 3)

2001-11-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
In Avalon Excalibur, we want to make our Connection Pooling code future compatible with JDK 1.4. We currently do it with conditional compiling, and renaming some classes. I find this to be a clumsy solution, and leads to questions from people not familiar with the build process. Almost all the

Re: License Question (JDBC 2 vs. JDBC 3)

2001-11-02 Thread Berin Loritsch
Sam Ruby wrote: Berin Loritsch wrote: public class java.sql.SavePoint {} Sun guards the java.* classes jealously, and I need to know if this is really a solution. What Sun generally tries to do is to stop people from extending or subsetting the full API. What you are describing

Avalon Phoenix 4.0a1 Released

2001-09-25 Thread Berin Loritsch
Avalon Phoenix 4.0a1 Released - The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.0a1 alpha release of Avalon Phoenix. About Avalon The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into five sub projects: Framework, Excalibur, LogKit,

Standardizing build.xml files

2001-09-06 Thread Berin Loritsch
I propose that we all use a standard target convention for all Ant based projects. This is something that helps adopters of GNU software all over. A person who has never seen GNOME or GCC knows they can compile it by running ./configure and make all check install. These conventions make it

Re: Standardizing build.xml files

2001-09-06 Thread Berin Loritsch
The Alexandria project with Gump, Maveric, et. al. are doing a great job of keeping all the builds working with each other. It also helps with notifying projects of changes in the API. But there hasn't been any official documentation or requests for target naming conventions like I just

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Berin Loritsch
Kevin A. Burton wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jon Stevens [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6839693.html?tag=mn_hd snip I hate this! Sun called on consumers to demand that Microsoft include the Java platform in their XP

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Berin Loritsch
Kevin A. Burton wrote: What I would like to see is something *better* than the JCP. I believe in open research. OSS fits a great many needs, but there are some key points in Free Software (GPL/LGPL) that I don't necessarily agree with. I don't think that *anyone* should have problems

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Berin Loritsch
Alex Fernández wrote: Hi Berin! Berin Loritsch wrote: Kevin A. Burton wrote: I hate this! Sun called on consumers to demand that Microsoft include the Java platform in their XP operating system. Sun also said consumers should demand PC vendors like Dell, Compaq, Gateway

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-09 Thread Berin Loritsch
Geoff Soutter wrote: Isn't Web Services basically just the EDI concept with a trendy new name? Applications have been talking to each other across company boundaries since the 80's after all. Just ask the car makers who've done all their purchasing, etc via web services for aeons ...

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-09 Thread Berin Loritsch
Peter Donald wrote: On Fri, 10 Aug 2001 09:29, Geoff Soutter wrote: Another key difference is the emphasis on ubiquity. Yes, seems to me this one of the main difference (apart from the marketing aspects). This comes from using a public, free network rather than private, fee based

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-08 Thread Berin Loritsch
Sam Ruby wrote: Jon Stevens wrote: Can someone explain to me what the heck web services are so that I can decide whether or not this is even worthwhile to learn about? http://sdc.sun.com/briefings/agenda.cgi?eventkey=5100 I'm guessing it is fancy marketing foo about SOAP/XML-RPC

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-08 Thread Berin Loritsch
Jon Stevens wrote: on 8/8/01 9:59 AM, Berin Loritsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All the stuff I've read about for WebServices comprise UDDI, SOAP, and WSDL. The three combined provide a way to automatically discover remote resources that my webapp can use and then actually use

Re: [OT] FW: Sun Headquarter Briefings: Developing Web Services

2001-08-08 Thread Berin Loritsch
Umar Syyid wrote: Hi Berin, Berin Loritsch wrote: The compelling example that was given in WSDJ was a very simple web service to find out how much any book from Borders would cost in any currency. The cool part of SOAP and therefore WS is the support for transactions. You can

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Berin Loritsch
Cedric Berger wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: Cedric, Please see http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique.html and http://jakarta.apache.org/log4j/docs/critique2.html before jumping to conclusions. Regards, Ceki Great, thanks for posting that new (critique2)

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Berin Loritsch
Cedric Berger wrote: Tal Dayan wrote: We plan to add a logger to one of our products and we are not sure which one to use. If you want to try the JDK 1.4 logging for older JDK: http://www.javelinsoft.com/jlogger/ Too bad I can't use it with JDK 1.3 (check Ceki's new critique

Avalon Framework 4.0 Released

2001-07-30 Thread Berin Loritsch
Avalon Framework 4.0 Released - The Avalon team is proud to announce the 4.0 final release of the Avalon Framework. About Avalon The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into six sub projects: Framework, Excalibur,

Re: Attachments Deleted by MailScan!

2001-07-23 Thread Berin Loritsch
Pier P. Fumagalli wrote: Avi Cherry at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks like we just got a copy of the new Outlook Trojan horse. Shields up, everybody. At least if you run Outlook and are dumb enough to double-click on random attachments in your emails. :-) There was no attachment

What are we doing in regards to JDK 1.4?

2001-06-20 Thread Berin Loritsch
I have been looking through JDK 1.4, and there are a few instances where what is included in the JDK steps on some of our projects. Most notably: java.util.logging - Ceki has already made us aware of that and listed his greivances. I am not happy with the official JDK logger

Re: The Lie

2001-06-07 Thread Berin Loritsch
Alex Fernández wrote: I read 12 fallacies and flaws in 5 sentences: 06- in the public domain was the term used 20 years ago for open source. Not useful any more. Not entirely accurate. Public Domain is a copyright law term referring to a published work where the copyright has

Re: The Lie

2001-06-07 Thread Berin Loritsch
Peter Donald wrote: At 10:03 AM 6/7/01 -0400, Berin Loritsch wrote: Alex Fernández wrote: I read 12 fallacies and flaws in 5 sentences: 06- in the public domain was the term used 20 years ago for open source. Not useful any more. Not entirely accurate. Public Domain

Avalon Beta 3: Showstopper Fix.

2001-06-06 Thread Berin Loritsch
The Avalon team announces the beta 3 release of Avalon Framework and Excalibur 4.0. This release includes a serious bug fix in Excalibur's Component Management infrastructure. If you have downloaded Avalon 4.0 beta 2, then you are encouraged to upgrade. The bug only affects users of the

Re: doinking around with a logo

2001-06-05 Thread Berin Loritsch
bill parducci wrote: kicking around the apache web site i noticed that jakarta uses the basic apache logo. since many of the projects seem to have their own logos i figured i would give it a shot to see what i came up with. here is what i did: http://www.pier64.com/jakarta.jpg if

Avalon Beta 2 Released

2001-06-04 Thread Berin Loritsch
The Avalon team are proud to annound the beta 2 release of Avalon Framework and Excalibur 4.0 and Avalon LogKit 1.0. This release includes bugfixes and more current documentation. The Avalon project is Apache's Java Server Framework. It is separated into six sub projects: Framework, Excalibur,

Re: FW: Velocity and Avalon

2001-05-21 Thread Berin Loritsch
Peter Donald wrote: Here is a prime example of someone using an alpha product whichs explicitly stated the developer team is not investing _any_ effort in providing back compatibility between alpha releases. And when it changes they are ... what ... shocked? If they are, then they shows a