LRU-Indentity-HashMap

2004-10-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
/IdentityHashMap.html [4] http://ws.apache.org/axis/java/apiDocs/org/apache/axis/utils/IdentityHashMap.html [5] http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/collections/apidocs-COLLECTIONS_3_1/org/apache/commons/collections/map/IdentityMap.html ps: Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ceki Gülcü
commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider The complete log4j manual ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED

Re: TRACE level [WAS] Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ceki Gülcü
before log4j 1.3 is released. However, there is still time as log4j 1.3 will not be released in the immediate future. -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider The complete log4j manual ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp

Re: TRACE level [WAS] Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 08:42 AM 12/20/2003 -0500, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On Dec 20, 2003, at 8:40 AM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: Subsequent to the demand for the TRACE level expressed by a number of user, there is every reason to believe that a vote will be held on this topic before log4j 1.3 is released. However

[ANNOUNCEMENT] Apache Logging Services project

2003-12-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
, -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider The complete log4j manual ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL

Only 17 days left to register at ApacheCon!

2003-10-30 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Greetings to all, I just wanted to bring your attention to the fact that there are only 17 days left for registering at ApacheCon US/2003! -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider The complete log4j manual ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp import

JSP editor for Eclipse

2003-10-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello all, I am looking for a JSP editor for Eclipse. Any recommendations on this front? -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider The complete log4j manual ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp import org.apache.Facetime; ApacheCon US 2003, 18-21

RE: JSP editor for Eclipse

2003-10-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
colors nicely. -Original Message- From: Ceki Gülcü [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:46 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: JSP editor for Eclipse Hello all, I am looking for a JSP editor for Eclipse. Any recommendations on this front? -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j

Fwd: Reminder: Hyper-Early Bird Registration Ends Soon

2003-09-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
to be a part of it! Hyper-Early bird registration fee: US$499 After 30 September: US$599 After 20 October: US$799 After 16 November: US$899 Register today at http://www.apachecon.com/ We look forward to seeing you there! - Sally Khudairi -- Ceki Gülcü For log4j documentation consider

Re: Publicizing ApacheCon 2003

2003-09-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Nielsen wrote: +1 But wait until the sessions are available at www.apachecon.com Ceki Gülcü wrote: Hello everyone, Apachecon 2003 will take place in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA, 16-19 November 2003. For this event to be the success that it deserves to have, we need to make an effort to publicize

Re: Publicizing ApacheCon 2003

2003-09-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
/03 12:13 PM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I am not mistakem, early-bird registration seems to be already over... Anyway, I added a link at the top of the jakarta sidebar menu. I am confident people will find things to improve but you've got to start somewhere. This is CVS. We can revert

The Rules of Open-Source Programming

2003-06-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Here are some OSP rules that might be of interest: http://www.advogato.org/article/395.html Enjoy! -- Ceki For log4j documentation consider The complete log4j manual ISBN: 2970036908 http://www.qos.ch/shop/products/clm_t.jsp

Re: Sun

2003-05-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 08:47 AM 5/28/2003 +0100, you wrote: On 28/5/03 0:26 Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Good: http://www.theserverside.com/home/thread.jsp?thread_id=19500 Hm... Evil: http://www.shiftat.com/blog/page/werner/20030527#sun_reaffirms_no_jboss_at Indeed... Mark Fleury _is_ evil. He has

Re: Sun

2003-05-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 10:08 AM 5/28/2003 +0200, you wrote: On 28/05/2003 9:47 Pier Fumagalli wrote: Going back and looking at the past 5 years, actually, I think that in this case, the guy from Sun actually has a point (Rudy? Who the hell is he?). Oddly enough in the J2EE/JBoss saga, I don't see Sun as being the

Re: PMC Nomination

2003-02-19 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 15:41 19.02.2003 -0500, you wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Shouldn't it be that a committer has been around for a reasonable amount of time? How else would they be a committer? From the perspective of other ASF projects (e.g., HTTPD), Jakarta gives out committer-ship like candy. With

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-19 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Fumagalli - Ceki Gülcü - Dmitri Plotnikov - Phillip Rhodes To add to the list, I'd like to nominate these active committers: - James Strachan - Jason van Zyl - Ted Husted - Rod Waldhoff +1 I'd like to add Mark Womack to the list of candidates. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki

Re: [PMC VOTE] PMC Nominations

2003-02-19 Thread Ceki Gülcü
a separate vote for mark? while i'm thinking about it, is general or pmc the right place for votes of this kind? - robert On Wednesday, February 19, 2003, at 09:15 PM, Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 19:26 13.02.2003 -0500, you wrote: Charles Burdick wrote: Selection criteria aside, I nominate Morgan

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
I echo Andrew's reservations. The reasons behind the restriction of LGPLed imports are unclear and apparently undocumented. Such a crucial matter deserves to be properly documented. If the restriction cannot be justified, then it should be lifted. I urge all Apache members and committers to

Re: Licensing again.

2003-02-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 07:21 12.02.2003 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: LGPL has special rules for 'link'. What exactly is the concept of a 'link' in Java? If A imports B and A and B are not in the same Java package (but perhaps share some similar names in the first three qualifiers) are they in the same 'library' or

Re: Logging strategy

2003-01-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 11:21 29.01.2003 +0100, Dani Estermann wrote: Has jakarta got a strategy/guideline/regulation that recommends a certain logging api to be used by jakarta projects? Are existing and future jakarta projects allowed to choose between log4j, LogKit, commons-logging or even JDK1.4-Logging? We

[OT] Pointedly Extreme Programming

2003-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
This one surely will become a classic: http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/dilbert-20030109.html -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 20:27 07.12.2002 +0100, you wrote: Pier Fumagalli wrote: You're free to file your complaint to the appropriate department dealing with those kinds of issues: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Naaah. There's a difference between making a remark here when the opportunity is there, and starting

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 12:23 09.12.2002 +0100, Steven Noels wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: - things being 'easier' when being a member: of course not, and I hope that wasn't the impression that I gave The message I was trying to get across was that the firewall a.k.a. barrier between members and committers exists

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 07:40 09.12.2002 -0500, James Taylor wrote: - things being 'easier' when being a member: of course not, and I hope that wasn't the impression that I gave The message I was trying to get across was that the firewall a.k.a. barrier between members and committers exists mostly in people's

RE: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 16:14 04.12.2002 -0800, Craig R. McClanahan wrote: In the mean time, I believe all Apache projects should treat the Board member comments quoted above and elsewhere in this thread (and taken out of much larger discussions) as authoritative direction to ASF committers that we should use the

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 05:52 05.12.2002 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: Would a shut-up-and-think-for-yourself be any better? It seems to me that you are seeking an explicit sanction for the practice of using the current license by reference. Yes, shut-up-and-think-for-yourself would be better assuming

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Given that for works published after March 1, 1989 it is not even necessary to place a copyright notice to benefit from copyright law protection, I do not see why the long form is absolutely necessary. Moreover, the next version of the Apache Software License will specifically allow the short

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 07:54 04.12.2002 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Currently we should use the full version. There will be a short version of the next 2.0 license that will be equally protecting from a legal POV, but in the meantime use the full version. Why? What is wrong with a copyright notice followed by

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 11:06 04.12.2002 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: IANAL and not the one to decide. IIRC IIUC the board, || board members have said to use the full version till version 2.0 arrives. Well, as far as I know, there is no permission to use a reference to the license although there is no explicit

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 12:13 04.12.2002 +0100, you wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: At 11:06 04.12.2002 +0100, Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: IANAL and not the one to decide. IIRC IIUC the board, || board members have said to use the full version till version 2.0 arrives. Well, as far as I know, there is no permission

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 07:31 04.12.2002 -0500, Sam Ruby wrote: Stefan Mainz wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: I do not understand what Roy means by the scope of what was covered beyond 'this file' Copyright law only protects the expression of an idea, so I am baffled by what is meant by the scope beyond the file

Re: Gump changes

2002-11-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The Gump setup can be leveraged as a testing lab. I found the fact that gump runs on machines in different timezones (at least in a different timezone than mine) very valuable. This small difference has allowed us to catch a timezone dependent bug which we might not have caught otherwise. Runs

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 12:07 08.10.2002 -0700, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: I recently spent a couple weekend nights and built the StudioZ.tv website in PHP4 on OSX. It is a pretty cool webapp that has really transformed things for us and made my life MUCH easier (the office staff can fully manage the events that show

log4j-dev@ summary for June

2002-06-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Rob, Thank you for the Jakarta Newsletter initiative. I am looking forward to the June issue. Here is the log4j submission. This file contains the summary of what has been discussed on the log4j-dev@ mailing lists. Its monthly contents are sent to the editor of the Jakarta Newsletter. For

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

2002-05-25 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 23:30 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: http://www.libertyforall.net/2002/archive/do-ocracy.html The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

2002-05-25 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 10:07 25.05.2002 -0400, you wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: The motivational power of appreciation cannot be underestimated. The author is correct in emphasizing the point. What is not emphasized enough is the need for direction. What's the use of having a million volunteers if they all

Re: Criteria for commit access

2002-05-24 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 18:31 24.05.2002 -0400, Sam Ruby wrote: * Perhaps a more fruitful topic for us to explore is when to retire committer status due to inactivity. Pier is one of the few to do this explicitly. I have done it a bit more implicitly - including submitting patches to projects that I am officially

bugzilla related emails

2002-05-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello, The log4j developers would like log4j bug report related emails to also appear on the log4j-dev mailing list. Can this be done? Sorry for the noise, I am just trying to follow the instructions found at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/bugs.html: Pier Fumagalli has set up the Apache

Re: bugzilla related emails

2002-05-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 09:32 16.05.2002 +0200, Stefan Bodewig wrote: On Thu, 16 May 2002, Ceki Gülc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The log4j developers would like log4j bug report related emails to also appear on the log4j-dev mailing list. Can this be done? All that needs to be done is changing the default owner

Re: [New Subproject Proposal] ObjectBridge

2002-05-01 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Here is my enthusiastic but non binding +1. At 14:41 29.04.2002 -0400, you wrote: Hi, I would like to propose ObjectRelationalBridge (http://objectbridge.sourceforge.net/) as a top level subproject of Jakarta. -- Ceki -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: Large code donation?

2002-04-12 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The results of a recent vote show that the log4j community has strong interest in the donation. Is there a document that I can present to the donator for signature? I assume this document is NOT the Contributor License Agreement because that document applies to individuals, not corporations.

Large code donation?

2002-04-11 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hi all, A commercial company, after changing its business orientation, recently proposed to donate a rather large chuck of code, essentially a log4j extension, to the log4j project. Do we need to have them sign any paperwork? Assuming they post the source code (under the Apache Software

Re: Large code donation?

2002-04-11 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Your explanation is crystal clear. I'll organize a vote on the donation just to make sure that we really want the code. Thanks again, Ceki At 23:58 11.04.2002 +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 11 Apr 2002, Ceki [iso-8859-1] Gülcü wrote: A commercial company, after changing its

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Wait a minute, I know you... You are the apricot (http://sourceforge.net/projects/apricot/) guy. In the fairy tale The Emperor's new clothes, what was the name of the child who calls He's naked. The man in the crown is naked Was it Vladimir Bossicard? At 18:28 28.03.2002 -0800, you

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
anything. It would be a nice experiment. At 12:46 29.03.2002 +1100, you wrote: On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:38, Ceki Gülcü wrote: 1) logging calls are made thousands of times so the indirection through an equalizer API (like commons-logging) has a performance impact Not in modern JVMs (read most almost

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Good point, except that the loop length was 100'000'000 so the cost of the first 10'000 calls would be dwarfed by the remaining 99'990'000. Of course there is also: ~/java Indirect 1 log4j: Parsing threshold string [WARN] log4j: Could not find root logger information. Is this OK? log4j:

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 18:28 28.03.2002 -0800, you wrote: god no. The avalon group was already using a facade logger long before commons was for much the same reason commons adopted one. Is Avalon still using its own facade logger or changed to commons-logging? I'm just wondering: How many Jakarta projects use

RE: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 15:36 29.03.2002 +, Danny Angus wrote: Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you might was well support their interfaces and semantics, and then 'embrace and extend'. Just do the JSR47 stuff better :) Could Log4J now become an RI of JSR47 ? (I'm still not

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 15:10 28.03.2002 -0600, Morgan Delagrange wrote: Where is this world where everyone uses Log4J? That world = (world - jakarta) -- Ceki My link of the month: http://java.sun.com/aboutJava/standardization/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 15:30 28.03.2002 -0600, Morgan Delagrange wrote: I am pro-Log4J. I wish I lived in that Log4J-only world (until/unless something better came along). Generally, commons-logging neither encourages nor discourages use of Log4J. However, I would argue that it _does_ encourage Log4J a bit by

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 16:33 28.03.2002 -0600, you wrote: Sun's me-too strategy is bound to fail. The question is whether the bigger jakarta community is going to help us defeat JSR47 or stand in the way. That's a bit harsh, isn't it? Hmm, maybe it is. What I am trying to say is that I would have liked to

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
won't matter. At 15:17 28.03.2002 -0800, you wrote: On Thu, 28 Mar 2002, Ceki Gülcü wrote: True. It does encourage it, but only initially. On the long run, however, people will run into problems with their logging (as is happening now). They will say this commons-logging+log4j stuff is too

RE: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 00:57 29.03.2002 +0100, Paulo Gaspar wrote: Ceki, What about making clear that commons-logging is only supposed to be used by other components so that the application developer picks the logging API that suits him best? That seems to be the intent of commons-logging. I have pointed out the

RE: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 11:49 27.03.2002 -0600, Rodney Waldhoff wrote: But this isn't really the reason commons-logging was created. Note that most of the commons components are just that--tiny libraries meant to be integrated/incorporated into larger frameworks and larger applications. Some of these components

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 15:18 27.03.2002 -0600, Morgan Delagrange wrote: Here's the problem, as I see it. Suppose Commons component A decides to adopt Log4J, Commons component B decides to adopt LogKit, and Commons component C adopts JDK1.4 logging. They will all minimally function with the right jars in the

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-27 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Costin, Morgan, Rodney, Thanks for the lively discussion and sharing your points of view. My intent was to warn users of the dangers of using common-logging. I have done my bit. Cheers, Ceki At 16:31 27.03.2002 -0600, Morgan wrote: I believe the order of precedence is well documented. I think

Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-26 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello all, Given that log4j is such a low-level library, most organizations are suspicious to tie their code to log4j, especially considering the new logging API in JDK 1.4. Before going forward, it is appropriate to mention that these two APIs are very similar. The classical usage pattern

Re: Now what? (was: Jakarta Overview)

2002-03-23 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 14:47 22.03.2002 -0800, you wrote: - Audience and Marketing: The document is directed towards people who may not be familiar with all the projects that exist under the Jakarta umbrella. Specifically, it is directed towards users, who hope to find something useful for their own projects.

Re: Why Sun won't certify JBoss (was Re: Jakarta is not an open source project in the pure community sense anymore)

2002-03-23 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 09:50 23.03.2002 -0500, you wrote: On 3/22/02 12:19 PM, James Strachan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A thought struck me today which is probably totally obvious to folk but I thought I'd share it anyways. Sun gets pots of cash from companies who develop J2EE compliant software from the J2EE

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
be overstated. -- Ceki Gülcü -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 16:17 06.03.2002 -0600, you wrote: -1 I'm not sure we need this at all. I disagree. I think we definitely need a solid document countering the idyllic but false world depicted by the FSF. It's just a gargantuan task to come up with a such a document. Regards, Ceki -- To unsubscribe,

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-site/xdocs index.xml

2002-03-03 Thread Ceki Gülcü
-1 I disagree with this change because it gives the impression that LogKit is a top level jakarta project which is not the case. The addition is placed just to log4j giving the impression that the two packages have equal footing. This misleads the users to think there are two logging packages

version numbers in jars

2002-02-21 Thread Ceki Gülcü
The following is from http://www.ibiblio.org/java/#recent I have a request to make of the log4j team, as well as all the other Java programmers at the Apache Project, IBM alphaWorks, Sun, and everyone else who distributes JAR archives. Could you please attach a version number to all your JARs?

Re: Jakarta PMC Nomination - Rejection

2002-02-02 Thread Ceki Gülcü
and will eventually put Bugzilla out of business. More info: http://scarab.tigris.org/ thanks, -jon -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e

Re: [PROPOSAL] POI @ Jakarta

2002-01-17 Thread Ceki Gülcü
on the topic. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta PMC bylaws change

2002-01-16 Thread Ceki Gülcü
would be initiated. - Sam Ruby -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
PROTECTED] System and Software Consulting You're going to end up getting pissed at your software anyway, so you might as well not pay for it. Try Open Source. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Ceki Gülcü
737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Volunteer Wanted

2002-01-08 Thread Ceki Gülcü
] -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Building Java web applications with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch

Re: Questions

2002-01-07 Thread Ceki Gülcü
to step up and take over the PMC chairmanship? p.s. I have no interest in being PMC Chair. -jon -- Standard rules apply: Ask any questions, and you get the job. ;-) (I left this .sig in on purpose, because this quote is from Sam and I think it is funny based on the question.) -- Ceki Gülcü

Re: crushed

2002-01-07 Thread Ceki Gülcü
other place I know is my family. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cultural homogeneity

2002-01-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
a different wording? -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Cultural homogeneity

2002-01-06 Thread Ceki Gülcü
include software that runs on the client but excludes software that runs *only* on client. So, the word server-side might require some further clarification, but removing it completely is not just a cosmetic change. It means opening the flood-gates. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch

Re: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POI @ apache]

2002-01-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
someone voting -1 means end of discussion. I dare anyone to -1 that. Regards, Ceki -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POI @ apache]

2002-01-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
opinion about it, which package with which existing project. Ciao Chris - agitateur depuis toujours *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto

Re: On unity and coherence [was Re: [Request For Comment] POI @ apache]

2002-01-05 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 18:02 05.01.2002 -0500, you wrote: Ceki Gülcü wrote: IMHO, XML does not and will never have a community as long as two of its most important projects directly compete with each other. The success of one is related with the failure of the other. XML Community? Won't happen in a million

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
on the same issue time and again, a wait period of 12 months is necessary between two referenda on the same or nearly the same issue. 3) Keeps things as they are and hope for the best. Regards, Ceki -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
; } is public void setSomethingComplicated(Object sometingComplicateed){ this.somethingComplicated = somethingComplicated; } -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
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Re: Code conventions

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 06:57 04.01.2002 -0500, you wrote: On 1/4/02 6:43 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 02 Jan 2002 06:03:43 -0800, Sam Ruby wrote: If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
will not instigate revolution! I will not instigate revolution! Regards, Bart. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
, drink cocktails and fornicate day in day out. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
yadda. So I +1 on suggesting standards for external parts of project, -1 for forcing it Indeed, that seems to be the consensus. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Code conventions

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
. :-( Anyway, it looks like e-mail that I send now gets through so let me take advantage of it while I can... Ceki Gülcü wrote: If some particular codebase under the Jakarta umbrella consistently chose to take actions which were inconsistent with the Apache mission, then I'm confident that the PMC would

Re: Jakarta Status [was Code conventions]

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
? SourceForgeII? How about all the C++ projects in XML land? When do you think ApacheGrabBag/SourceForgeII and the httpd projects could be merged? Seriously, I think the idea is worth our consideration. Regards, Ceki -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED

RE: Code conventions

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
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Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-04 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 10:35 04.01.2002 -0800, you wrote: on 1/4/02 3:28 AM, Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: All Java Language source code in the repository must be written in conformance to the Code Conventions for the Java Programming Language as published by Sun. However, some projects may decide

Re: [PROPOSAL] New Project Creation Guidelines

2001-10-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
/newproject.html I will accept any patches against this document and/or direct commits from PMC members. :-) -jon - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
. I didn't know that. How incredibly smart of you. Think about the synergies between Tomcat and Jboss!!! Wow! Incredible. and you think Jon is politically incorrect! Have you been on the JBoss lists? -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch Link of the day: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-17 Thread Ceki Gülcü
, tough. Just read the lists! The only one being rude in this forum is you. Ceki -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch Link of the day: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40473-2001Oct10.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail

Re: ASPizer

2001-10-17 Thread Ceki Gülcü
to? Disagreement != insult. -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch Link of the day: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A40473-2001Oct10.html - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Apache logs problem

2001-10-01 Thread Ceki Gülcü
-Vincent - Original Message - From: Ceki Gülcü [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Apache logs problem Hello Vincent, Assuming you are using webalizer, have you tried using the -f (fold sequence errors) and the -p (preserve state

Re: [VOTE] Making Commons-Cactus a top level projet

2001-09-18 Thread Ceki Gülcü
commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [OT] $un, M$ and Java

2001-08-13 Thread Ceki Gülcü
they are. Regards, Ceki -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Loggers, loggers, all over the place

2001-08-07 Thread Ceki Gülcü
now. I also know I'm in ennemy territory here. Cedric - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ceki Gülcü - http://qos.ch

Re: Reply-to munging

2001-07-10 Thread Ceki Gülcü
At 21:11 10.07.2001 +0200, Gunnar Rønning wrote: * Alex Chaffee [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | | Can we turn off the munging of headers that is currently adding | Reply-to on all the jakarta lists? I agree with this, but this case has been up before with some people having very strong feelings about

Licensing question

2001-07-03 Thread Ceki Gülcü
Hello, We have a developer who would like to contribute a piece of code under the Apache software license but at the same time would like to keep using the same piece of code under a different (the original) license. I am sure this not the first time this happens. How did the foundation deal

Re: Proposal to make BSF an ASF project

2001-06-25 Thread Ceki Gülcü
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Reponse to my appeal

2001-06-14 Thread Ceki Gülcü
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Response to appeal

2001-06-14 Thread Ceki Gülcü
but I am sure we can do better. It is becoming increasingly evident that no one will be happy about the upcoming logging API from Sun. I invite you to join our community in protest against the pollution of the Java environment with dubious APIs. Thank you in advance, Ceki Gülcü

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