RE: host key changed?

2006-05-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I tried to SSH to cvs.apache.org, but my system said there was a new host key. Why are you trying to access cvs.apache.org? I know there were some recent issues with minotaur Shell accounts are on people.apache.org, not cvs.apache.org. --- Noel

RE: host key changed?

2006-05-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I understand correctly, yes the host key has changed: SVN is now hosted on eris.apache.org, not minotaur.apache.org. (And you should use the svn.apache.org rather than cvs.apache.org if possible). No. 1) A host key warning should be taken seriously. Are you sure that you're talking

RE: host key changed?

2006-05-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Good thing I put the if I understand correctly disclaimer on my message ;) :-D my apologies to the OP. No worries. I tend to look at this as a security issue. We should not take a changing host key lightly. --- Noel

RE: anyone else affected by wiki spam bots?

2006-04-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
At the moment, this is the only report I've seen. Howard also mentioned it to infrastructure. So these wiki bots know how to create accounts and sign into them for spamming? --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: [VOTE] Jakarta Sandbox

2006-04-11 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin, Jakarta is Components Sandbox Things move from sandbox to components. That would be fine if there was a well-defined scope for the sandbox. Should be the same as the scope for Jakarta. Define that, and you may have your answer. --- Noel

RE: [VOTE] Jakarta Sandbox

2006-04-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
* Create development mailing list ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) sandbox-dev@ ? Otherwise, fine. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [VOTE] Jakarta Sandbox

2006-04-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
1. There should not be an escape from the pain of the incubator. All new projects must go through the incubator and endure. ACO's gratuitously snarky comments aside, projects coming into the ASF go through the Incubator. New things started entirely within the ASF do not, currently.

RE: [VOTE] Jakarta Sandbox

2006-04-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: projects coming into the ASF go through the Incubator. New things started entirely within the ASF do not, currently. Then there is no NEED for a sandbox. As you know, the sandbox predates the Incubator, and AIUI, the Sandbox exists so

RE: [VOTE] Remove SVN restrictions

2006-03-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
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RE: Invitation

2006-03-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about ways to allow committers to post from their apache addresses. Two separate issues, unless the e-mail was sent with his @apache.org

RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sandy, I meant ALL of us. The whole PMC. Not a selected group, which eliminates the problem of having to come up with a selection criteria. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list will result in removal from the PMC. Why not just send out e-mail to the PMC members asking them if they want to remain active? We have done this

RE: [PROPOSAL] Cleanup pmc members

2006-03-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
there are no written down rules that I know of for what a PMC member should do (that'd be unnecessary bureacracy). The written rules for the ASF are http://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html.PMCs would make their lives a whole lot simpler if they would facilitate human participation and

RE: Other Jakarta Components

2006-03-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
In terms of finding homes, I wonder if we should have a root directory under which we have inactive codebases. One problem would be that no PMC would be responsible. Or we could create a sort of reverse incubator: a curatorship, where no active development takes place, but where oversight

RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ApacheCon EU 2006

2006-02-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote: You are surely aware of the fact that this is right on top of the round of 16 and quarter-final games of The World Cup, aren't you? IMHO you probably should plan to get T.V. sets in the common areas LOL Way ahead of you. The conference producer made similar

RE: [ANNOUNCEMENT] ApacheCon EU 2006

2006-02-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Martin van den Bemt wrote: +1 :) The Dutch will get to the finals anyway and I don't want to miss out on that :) LOL Well, the Orange are on my list of teams whom I want to see do well, along with the Brits and (of course) USA. --- Noel

RE: Jakarta stats

2006-01-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Danny Angus wrote: I'm one of the 1) Inactive PMC members Define inactive. Inactive as a committer? Inactive as a PMC member providing oversight to Jakarta projects? I'm in the former category, as are many, but I still actively monitor several project lists, even if I only post when I have

RE: comments on a project

2006-01-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
At first I tried to use JSP without any framework or taglib. In contrast to templates JSP doesn't help much on seperating logic and html code Please see the JSP 2.0 Specification for Tag Files. Tags are your friends, and Tag Files make them easy to write. And I could not get used to the

RE: ApacheCon (AC2k5US)

2005-09-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I've started a wiki page to plan any Jakarta/Apache-Java BoFs etc at ApacheCon this December http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/AC2k5US Shouldn't this be on http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/ ? --- Noel - To

RE: [Request for Comment] Http Components proposal

2005-09-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
The plan is to factor the multipart content handling out of HttpClient. There's already a project in Commons Sandbox led by Mark R. Diggory [for] that end. Unfortunately the project has been dormant for quite some time See also: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/james/mime4j --- Noel

RE: [RESULT] Naming for new Jakarta subproject

2005-08-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri, We should run the name by the PRC, but it should be fine. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [VOTE] Naming for new Jakarta subproject

2005-08-16 Thread Noel J. Bergman
[+1]Apache Silk Akin to Danny's comment, whatever the group likes is fine, but the above is my preference. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Jakarta - Cleaning house

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Create a 'Graveyard' for dead projects Absolutely not. There is no such thing. I might agree to an Apache museum, which has marginally more acceptable semantics. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term I have a shirt around here someone regarding Parts for Java, which was a product from ParcPlace. Apache WebParts would be OK with me, but I care more about the content of the project than the name. --- Noel

RE: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Has there been any discussion with the Incubator PMC whether this contribution needs to come through them? Or does this somehow not fit into their purview? All external codebases brought into the ASF need to come through the Incubator. Sometimes, as Henri noted, that only requires the IP

RE: WebXxxx Naming Was: Web Components/Common project

2005-08-09 Thread Noel J. Bergman
How about Apache Spider Web? No, but you just gave me an idea: Apache Silk Silk is what webs are made of. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [PROPOSAL] subproject that's a home for bricks reusablein java web applications

2005-06-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Or Jakarta Web Parts For Java, or JWP4J, which has the benefit of being what I am now (JWP) with 4J appended. I for one like it! that sounds good to me too. anyone else have an opinion? I believe that the PRC wants an Apache branding, but check. Sorry for short reply, but my computer is

RE: mail server hacked?

2005-05-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Just spam that made it past spamassassin. We installed a new rule set last night to address it. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: mail server hacked?

2005-05-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Steve Cohen wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Just spam that made it past spamassassin. We installed a new rule set last night to address it. Might that rule have possibly been overly strict? Not unless your e-mail has subjects written in German. :-) More likely, e-mail just can't get

RE: Jakarta SVN

2005-04-10 Thread Noel J. Bergman
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/commons/proper/httpclient/trunk/ And the host name (svn.apache.org) is correct, and the host is working fine. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

RE: future for maven generated websites?

2005-03-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based websites when shell access is switched off to the machine serving the website? Yes. And in the meantime, just update minotaur, and the site will be synched to the live server. Which also means that we have a backup of the live site

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Costin Manolache wrote: I'm +1 on your email if you are going to send the same kind of email for every use of Tomcat and if we are going to send an email every time a company or individual claims he is making 'lead contributions' to an apache project. And I would feel much better if such

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Serge Knystautas wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Remy Maucherat wrote: it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions. Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be in conflict with a CLA, and companies can provide a Software Grant in the case where

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Remy Maucherat wrote: What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ? Can you prove me wrong ? Multiple companies have, in fact, been contacted and dealt with over what was perceived to be misleading PR and

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Jim Jagielski wrote: Mladen Turk wrote: Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers), propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP? I'd say that it is about time. I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me) 'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat', but

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Mladen Turk wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions. Cool, means so much to me. I also have no complaints on your technical skills :) My observation, not opinion, was in response to your expressing concern that there would

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Dims, The new TLP would be expected to address the same issues, and to work with the PRC and other parts of the ASF, but they'd be more immediately associated with them, too. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Currently, Tomcat developers are having to take time away from their main task (coding) to answer management issues raised by Jakarta. This raises the question of whether Tomcat is big enough and mature enough to manage these issues itself, without the involvement of Jakarta. Great.

RE: Jakarta Apache Tomcat as a TLP ?

2005-03-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Please, lets calm the things down. Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth will still spin tomorrow. Well, actually, if it would pause briefly on Wednesday, that'd be OK. I have to fly east, and would rather not chase the horizon for 3000 miles. --- Noel

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Remy Maucherat wrote: I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an individual at the moment If you look at the CLA, you'll see that all contributions are made by individuals, irrespective of motivation or

RE: [draft] SD Magazine: request for change

2005-03-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-). Obvious quandry for me, we don't really have any concept of subcommunity, apart from the individual dev lists, it's supposed to be the Jakarta community at large

RE: [site] killing vendors page

2005-02-21 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I'd suggest that we talk to the PRC about it. There are some good things about a vendors page. Erik makes an interesting point about the Wiki, but it would mean that we couldn't vet it for content to prevent grossly misleading content. --- Noel

RE: Eyebrowse down?

2005-01-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Scott, There appears to be a problem with mysql on nagoya. I'll see what I can do about freeing it up. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: Eyebrowse down?

2005-01-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Noel J. Bergman wrote: There appears to be a problem with mysql on nagoya. Some tables were marked as crashed in the eyebrowse database. I have taken mysql off-line and am running repairs. --- Noel - To unsubscribe

RE: Eyebrowse down?

2005-01-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Noel J. Bergman wrote: Some tables were marked as crashed in the eyebrowse database. I have taken mysql off-line and am running repairs. This will take a bit longer. We ran out of space on the file system holding the databases, and it is taking a while to purge the cache that caused

RE: jakarta-site2 now live on xslt

2005-01-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
sebb wrote: Looks like a *lot* of other projects use the Anakia jars and/or stylesheets from jakarta-site2 - not just jakarta-tomcat-site. Including, FWIW, JAMES (ex-Jakarta project). But we can clone what we need until/if we replace it. --- Noel

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such afaik) Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide basis. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed. As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed. --- Noel - To unsubscribe,

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed. As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed. effectively is still lost as far as links are concerned Well, if people

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2005-01-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin asked: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such afaik) Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide basis. cool. what's the right to set about doing this? Send e-mail to [EMAIL

RE: 3-column jakarta.apache.org?

2004-12-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html We might consider changing some of the wording if you are going to refer to projects growing up and leaving. We could refer to Jakarta as a federation of projects, some of which are under the oversight of the Jakarta PMC, and some of

RE: Dormancy worries

2004-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I share your concerns. The general question is what to do with such projects, and I think we should be open to creative ideas. There has been some suggestion that they be cleaned up by migrating them to some other domain to be mothballed. The code, web site, and mailing list archives would be

RE: Migration to Ajax from Nagoya (fwd)

2004-12-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Scarab is used by Turbine, DB Torque and a couple of other sub projects. I'll look at doing the migration, but it would be nice if we had someone who was willing to maintain scarab. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: [vote] moving jakarta-site2 to subversion

2004-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
72 hours for this vote - classify this as a public release vote requires majority (at least 3 +1s and more +1s than -1s ) I'm personally +1, but if any Jakarta project presents a reason why creates a problem for them at the moment, I would consider that binding until we can resolve the issue.

RE: Converting Jakarta site and site2 to SVN

2004-12-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I think we shoul add it to a list of ones to archive somehow. Jsev, alexandria etc. We could import them and move them to an archives/ subtree, kind of like a branch, or just delete them. --- Noel - To unsubscribe,

RE: Jakarta Support provider

2004-12-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I don't know how much vetting we do, but despite the fact that this is a vendor page, I believe that a lot of people would complain about the phrase [Covalent is] the only source of full commercial support for Apache Tomcat. Now that the ASF has established the PRC, perhaps it is time we turned

RE: SVN server down?

2004-11-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Shinobu Kawai and others asked: Is the SVN server down? Yes. Currently doing some maintenance on the database. About another hour, I would estimate from the processing rate, so between 14:00 and 14:30 EST or so. Sorry for the inconvenience. Wasn't what I expected to be doing this morning,

RE: http://cvs.apache.org down?

2004-11-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Could not access http://cvs.apache.org (e.g. http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-commons/transaction/ ) for quite a while, anyone any idea what the problem is? Yes. I took that httpd instance down because it was conflicting at the time with SVN database maintanence. I haven't brought it

RE: Exception handling Was: Future JDK features 2 items

2004-11-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
try { } catch( (JMSException | RemoteException | SQLException) e) { } try { ... } catch (Exception e) { ... } Usually you don't want to just catch all exceptions in a single block. Instead you want to have clusters of exceptions And what is the common

RE: Deciding on Java futures?

2004-10-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
How can we find out whats already planned by Sun. I asked that exact question, and was told that they don't want to bias our input by telling us what is already on the plan. FWIW, I know that some of the things are already on some plans there. There is a big meeting on Monday to address

Prioritizing

2004-10-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
There has been a lot of good discussions. Now we need to prioritize the list. I have, as a strawman, started a prioritized list at the top of the page. I put Continutations at the top, since it had the most votes, and added a few others. Obviously, I'm not going to add everyone's item. Add

RE: Deciding on Java futures?

2004-10-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Stephen Colebourne wrote: How are we deciding on the Java Futures? Are we voting? Just talking? Funny you should ask ... :-) First, the ideas can be discussed on the mailing list, but we should collect them on the Wiki. Second, we should try to prioritize them. Third, I have some feedback

Sun wants Apache input on JDK futures

2004-10-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Sun is the final stages of collecting requirements for the releases that will follow Tiger, which means the next 3 years. So here's your chance to tell Sun what you would like to see in J2SE versions 6 and 7. Once we gather all of the ideas, we can try to see if we can prioritize the list. I

RE: Sun wants Apache input on JDK futures

2004-10-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Noel J. Bergman wrote: I have created a wiki page to collect the information. It would have helped if I remembered to paste the link ... http://wiki.apache.org/general/JavaFutures --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail

RE: Sun wants Apache input on JDK futures

2004-10-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
matthew.hawthorne wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: I have created a wiki page to collect the information. Please DO NOT reply to this message. Instead, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (so that we have one open list) to discuss your ideas. So, are you saying that instead of replying

RE: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects

2004-10-08 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Christian Anton wrote: Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure for any other product?? Jakarta isn't a product. Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange components at varying stages of development and interoperability and documentation?? Because that is

RE: SVN of ECS Re: [Jakarta Wiki] Updated: JakartaBoardReport-September2004

2004-09-22 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Daniel F. Savarese wrote: If someone with appropriate access wants to do the load feel free. Done. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FW: help me !!!

2004-08-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
-Original Message- From: Swamy, Narayana SS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:54 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: help me !!! Hi there, I would to member of apache jakarta subscribe commity , give me that url of corresponding page ?. help me Thanx

RE: Who is moderating Jakarta Turbine JCS mailing lists?

2004-08-12 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Done. --- Noel -Original Message- From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:44 To: Christian Geisert Cc: Jakarta General Mailinglist; Apache Infrastructure Subject: Re: Who is moderating Jakarta Turbine JCS mailing lists? Hi,

RE: Where is Cloudscape?

2004-08-07 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Brian McCallister wrote: I would strongly recommend checking out Axion they promised users a 1.0 release in [the tigris] namespace I hadn't heard that until recently. Is that what accounts for the delay between the Incubator being informed on October 16th that DB PMC had voted to sponsor

RE: Updating the PMC bylaws

2004-08-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Interestingly, the ASF bylaws seem to imply that PMCs are only for members and officers of the ASF. I may be mis-interpreting: Project Management Committees consisting of at least one officer of the corporation, who shall be designated chairman of such committee, and may include one or more

RE: Where is Cloudscape?

2004-08-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I'd suggest subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [until] the project has its own mailing lists. It already does. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send the normal subscribe request. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: download pages rethink

2004-07-17 Thread Noel J. Bergman
robert burrell donkin wrote: IMO signatures are more important (than md5 sums) for the ASF and less important for users. md5 sums are quick and easy to understand. If we were ever hacked, MD5 sums could be replaced without detection. That cannot be done with PGP keys, and we have had people

RE: Is Jira and Eyebrowse down?

2004-07-13 Thread Noel J. Bergman
It appear Jira and Eyebrowse are down. Fixed. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [site] .htaccess file has been modified outside cvs

2004-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
the .htaccess file for the jakarta site has been modified directly but is maintained in CVS. unless anyone knows a good reason not to, i'll update the copy in CVS with the changes. If the changes look right, please do. Not everyone who can make changes knows that they are supposed to effect

RE: Wiki, newsletters, PMC-chair

2004-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
As the wiki-update emails don't seem to get through to this list No one ever added the address to the allow list, so they are all pending in the moderator queue. And the sole moderator is rather busy right now. So if the PMC would like to provide some additional moderators besides Geir ... :-)

RE: Wiki, newsletters, PMC-chair

2004-06-27 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: Please add me for both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED] Done. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process - what is involved, any previous threads on the subject. First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with dormant projects. Secondly, I'm

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Henri Yandell wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project. Ever. Only place I favour closing projects is when they are in the incubator and 'fail', or in commons-sandbox. Depends upon what happens in the Incubator. If it does actually fail

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Yoav Shapira wrote: For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog, as I think it's a useful example for other graveyard or end-of-life scenarios. We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process. A tiny change to the Watchdog build.xml would fix [a problem],

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with oversight over any project which has public resources, whether it is active, maintenance only or unsupported end-of-life. Yes. But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave the project in the

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options: - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the Watchdog site, and indicate in our notice of

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Geir Magnusson Jr wrote: Yoav Shapira wrote: OK, then let me propose this: - We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog. There are no active committers to nominate us. +1 +1 Let's just go ahead and do this. :-) Yoav's comment gets back to my ealier point. A PMC should

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Tim O'Brien wrote: Noel J. Bergman wrote: If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard. Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with dormant projects. You've been

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Noel J. Bergman
We agree that burying a project is less than helpful. It is the invite people to be active part that interests me. I'm not saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is polite to our users to give people a sense of activity. Well, if we focus on the word COMMUNITY

RE: Photoshop for the Apache Logo

2004-06-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Howard M. Lewis Ship asked: Does anyone know where the (presumably) Photoshop files are for the Apache logo (with the feather)? Look in the foundation module. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-05-29 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Yoav, no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't know the answer to the project status, but I can confirm that there is no such mailing list currently existent. I don't know when it disappeared, other than the fact that it stopped archiving back in Nov 2002, but entire mailing lists structures

RE: Maven Repository Status

2004-04-24 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote: I've been asked to mirror the Tapestry and HiveMind libraries, but haven't been able to find docs on the web about how to do so. Do you mean for Maven and similar tools, or the basic mirroring requested of all ASF projects? If the latter, it appears that Tapestry

RE: Hibernate in Apache projects

2004-04-20 Thread Noel J. Bergman
As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to linking to LGPL code in ASL code that we host. As I understand it, we do not want to link to LGPL code directly, but can use it under another interface, e.g., we cannot import an LGPL package, but if we have an LGPL service provider for JDBC,

RE: Struts mailing lists

2004-04-02 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Anyway, it's been pointed out to me (thanks, sebb!) that the perms on the directory have changed from when I first tried this, and now I can do it myself, so I have. :-) Ah, that explains the e-mail I was about to send, saying that I had started to do the move, but noticed first that it

RE: Struts mailing lists

2004-04-01 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I've been waiting for the wiki to be fully set up The problem is that nobody with the appropriate privileges seems to have any time to move over some pages from the old wiki to the new one. If all that is missing is karma, write a shell script with a list of mv commands, and put it in your

RE: status on request to add vendor

2004-03-26 Thread Noel J. Bergman
If there is anything else that I need to do please let me know. Ever tossed a ball into a crowd, and watched it fall because everyone expects someone else to deal with it? If nothing happens sooner, ping again in a week or so. I've got to add my own company's information, and I can add yours

RE: Are wiki pages backed up?

2004-03-25 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Are our wiki pages (either old UseMod or new MoinMoin) backed up regularly? Or maybe backed up somewhere like CVS? Is there something we can do if someone maliciously edits a page and removes all content? UseMod kinda, MoinMoin, I'm not sure. In the longer run, Greg is working on a

RE: Jakarta embracing the JCP?

2004-03-19 Thread Noel J. Bergman
Formulate new proposals to the Apache lists in a similar manner to a new JSR and write projects up in a similar format. Have named leads and ... Having named leads of any sort is the antithesis of what I would like to see within the ASF. --- Noel

RE: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point. RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache projects with gcj.

RE: Apache should join the open source java discussion

2004-03-18 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ? Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point. RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache projects with gcj. Well,

RE: People's apache.org web pages

2004-03-11 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I didn't even know that http://www.apache.org/~coar/people.html existed. My page is deliberately terse. Pretty much its only reason for existing is the ICBM information. --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL

RE: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
I have a small piece of code called Esperanto, and I´d like to make a JMS free impl of this. It already delivers Objects in broadcast over some methods, and I think it could become JMS compliant with a small effort. I know of several uses for this sort of thing, especially if small and light

RE: Now about JNDI

2004-03-05 Thread Noel J. Bergman
What about JNDI libs? Is it been built as part of Geronimo, or is there a single project to keep it´s developement? See http://incubator.apache.org/directory/ --- Noel - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For

RE: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-03 Thread Noel J. Bergman
[X] +1 I support this proposal [ ] -1 I don't support this proposal [ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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