I tried to SSH to cvs.apache.org, but my system said there was a new
host key.
Why are you trying to access cvs.apache.org?
I know there were some recent issues with minotaur
Shell accounts are on people.apache.org, not cvs.apache.org.
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I understand correctly, yes the host key has changed: SVN is now
hosted on eris.apache.org, not minotaur.apache.org. (And you should
use the svn.apache.org rather than cvs.apache.org if possible).
No.
1) A host key warning should be taken seriously. Are you sure
that you're talking
Good thing I put the if I understand correctly disclaimer
on my message ;)
:-D
my apologies to the OP.
No worries. I tend to look at this as a security issue. We should not take
a changing host key lightly.
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At the moment, this is the only report I've seen. Howard also mentioned it
to infrastructure.
So these wiki bots know how to create accounts and sign into them for
spamming?
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Martin,
Jakarta is
Components
Sandbox
Things move from sandbox to components.
That would be fine if there was a well-defined scope for the sandbox.
Should be the same as the scope for Jakarta. Define that, and you may have
your answer.
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sandbox-dev@ ?
Otherwise, fine.
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1. There should not be an escape from the pain of the incubator.
All new projects must go through the incubator and endure.
ACO's gratuitously snarky comments aside, projects coming into the ASF go
through the Incubator. New things started entirely within the ASF do not,
currently.
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
projects coming into the ASF go through the Incubator. New things
started entirely within the ASF do not, currently.
Then there is no NEED for a sandbox.
As you know, the sandbox predates the Incubator, and AIUI, the Sandbox
exists so
+1
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robert burrell donkin wrote:
looks like we're going to need to think about turning on address
checking sooner or later this year. probably need to think about
ways to allow committers to post from their apache addresses.
Two separate issues, unless the e-mail was sent with his @apache.org
Sandy,
I meant ALL of us. The whole PMC. Not a selected group, which eliminates
the problem of having to come up with a selection criteria.
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My proposal is that we create a file in SVN in which PMC members can list
themselves as being active. After 1 month, failure to appear in that list
will result in removal from the PMC.
Why not just send out e-mail to the PMC members asking them if they want to
remain active?
We have done this
there are no written down rules that I know of for what a PMC
member should do (that'd be unnecessary bureacracy).
The written rules for the ASF are
http://www.apache.org/foundation/bylaws.html.PMCs would make their lives
a whole lot simpler if they would facilitate human participation and
In terms of finding homes, I wonder if we should have a root directory under
which we have inactive codebases. One problem would be that no PMC would be
responsible. Or we could create a sort of reverse incubator: a curatorship,
where no active development takes place, but where oversight
Henning Schmiedehausen wrote:
You are surely aware of the fact that this is right on top of the round
of 16 and quarter-final games of The World Cup, aren't you?
IMHO you probably should plan to get T.V. sets in the common areas
LOL Way ahead of you. The conference producer made similar
Martin van den Bemt wrote:
+1 :) The Dutch will get to the finals anyway and I don't
want to miss out on that :)
LOL Well, the Orange are on my list of teams whom I want to see do well,
along with the Brits and (of course) USA.
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Danny Angus wrote:
I'm one of the 1) Inactive PMC members
Define inactive. Inactive as a committer? Inactive as a PMC member
providing oversight to Jakarta projects? I'm in the former category, as are
many, but I still actively monitor several project lists, even if I only
post when I have
At first I tried to use JSP without any framework or taglib. In
contrast to templates JSP doesn't help much on seperating logic
and html code
Please see the JSP 2.0 Specification for Tag Files. Tags are your friends,
and Tag Files make them easy to write.
And I could not get used to the
I've started a wiki page to plan any Jakarta/Apache-Java BoFs etc at
ApacheCon this December
http://wiki.apache.org/jakarta/AC2k5US
Shouldn't this be on http://wiki.apache.org/apachecon/ ?
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The plan is to factor the multipart content handling out
of HttpClient. There's already a project in Commons
Sandbox led by Mark R. Diggory [for] that end. Unfortunately
the project has been dormant for quite some time
See also: http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/james/mime4j
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Henri,
We should run the name by the PRC, but it should be fine.
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[+1]Apache Silk
Akin to Danny's comment, whatever the group likes is fine, but the above is
my preference.
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Create a 'Graveyard' for dead projects
Absolutely not. There is no such thing. I might agree to an Apache
museum, which has marginally more acceptable semantics.
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Also Web parts appears to be a Microsoft term
I have a shirt around here someone regarding Parts for Java, which was a
product from ParcPlace.
Apache WebParts would be OK with me, but I care more about the content of
the project than the name.
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Has there been any discussion with the Incubator PMC whether this
contribution needs to come through them? Or does this somehow not
fit into their purview?
All external codebases brought into the ASF need to come through the
Incubator. Sometimes, as Henri noted, that only requires the IP
How about Apache Spider Web?
No, but you just gave me an idea:
Apache Silk
Silk is what webs are made of.
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Or Jakarta Web Parts For Java, or JWP4J, which has the benefit of
being what I am now (JWP) with 4J appended. I for one like it!
that sounds good to me too.
anyone else have an opinion?
I believe that the PRC wants an Apache branding, but check.
Sorry for short reply, but my computer is
Just spam that made it past spamassassin. We installed a new rule set last
night to address it.
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Steve Cohen wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Just spam that made it past spamassassin. We installed a new
rule set last night to address it.
Might that rule have possibly been overly strict?
Not unless your e-mail has subjects written in German. :-)
More likely, e-mail just can't get
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/commons/proper/httpclient/trunk/
And the host name (svn.apache.org) is correct, and the host is working fine.
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does anyone have a plan to cope with rebuilding maven based
websites when shell access is switched off to the machine
serving the website?
Yes. And in the meantime, just update minotaur, and the site will be
synched to the live server. Which also means that we have a backup of the
live site
Costin Manolache wrote:
I'm +1 on your email if you are going to send the same kind of email for
every use of Tomcat and if we are going to send an email every time a
company or individual claims he is making 'lead contributions' to an
apache project. And I would feel much better if such
Serge Knystautas wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Remy Maucherat wrote:
it is obvious Apache has the notion of company contributions.
Companies authorize individuals where their employment agreement might be
in
conflict with a CLA, and companies can provide a Software Grant in the
case
where
Remy Maucherat wrote:
What if I, on the opposite, contend that if it had been any other
company with any other ASF project, nobody would have bothered ?
Can you prove me wrong ?
Multiple companies have, in fact, been contacted and dealt with over what
was perceived to be misleading PR and
Jim Jagielski wrote:
Mladen Turk wrote:
Anyhow, what are your feelings that we (Tomcat developers),
propose to the ASF to be nominated as TLP?
I'd say that it is about time.
I know that some of you will think (since it's coming from me)
'Damn, JBoss is trying to control the Tomcat', but
Mladen Turk wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I am not aware of any complaints regarding your technical contributions.
Cool, means so much to me.
I also have no complaints on your technical skills :)
My observation, not opinion, was in response to your expressing concern that
there would
Dims,
The new TLP would be expected to address the same issues, and to work with
the PRC and other parts of the ASF, but they'd be more immediately
associated with them, too.
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Currently, Tomcat developers are having to take time away from
their main task (coding) to answer management issues raised by
Jakarta. This raises the question of whether Tomcat is big
enough and mature enough to manage these issues itself, without
the involvement of Jakarta.
Great.
Please, lets calm the things down.
Henri will write an email to SD magazine, and the earth
will still spin tomorrow.
Well, actually, if it would pause briefly on Wednesday, that'd be OK. I
have to fly east, and would rather not chase the horizon for 3000 miles.
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Remy Maucherat wrote:
I am definitely contributing to Tomcat as part of my employment at
JBoss. I am not contributing on my own free time to Tomcat as an
individual at the moment
If you look at the CLA, you'll see that all contributions are made by
individuals, irrespective of motivation or
And, yet, all of the complaints about the article have been
from people that aren't involved with Tomcat development ;-).
Obvious quandry for me, we don't really have any concept of subcommunity,
apart from the individual dev lists, it's supposed to be the Jakarta
community at large
I'd suggest that we talk to the PRC about it. There are some good things
about a vendors page. Erik makes an interesting point about the Wiki, but
it would mean that we couldn't vet it for content to prevent grossly
misleading content.
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Scott,
There appears to be a problem with mysql on nagoya. I'll see what I can do
about freeing it up.
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Noel J. Bergman wrote:
There appears to be a problem with mysql on nagoya.
Some tables were marked as crashed in the eyebrowse database. I have taken
mysql off-line and am running repairs.
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Some tables were marked as crashed in the eyebrowse database.
I have taken mysql off-line and am running repairs.
This will take a bit longer. We ran out of space on the file system holding
the databases, and it is taking a while to purge the cache that caused
sebb wrote:
Looks like a *lot* of other projects use the Anakia jars and/or
stylesheets from jakarta-site2 - not just jakarta-tomcat-site.
Including, FWIW, JAMES (ex-Jakarta project). But we can clone what we need
until/if we replace it.
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Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as such
afaik)
Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide
basis.
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unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit
of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed.
As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed.
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unfortunately, there's still a lot that's not and already quite a bit
of information has been lost when the old wiki was removed.
As noted by Henri, the old Wiki was moved, not removed.
effectively is still lost as far as links are concerned
Well, if people
robert burrell donkin asked:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Acknowledgements (Definitely ASF now, no-one supports 'jakarta' as
such afaik)
Turn over all of this to the PRC, and let them handle it on an ASF-wide
basis.
cool. what's the right to set about doing this?
Send e-mail to [EMAIL
http://www.apache.org/~bayard/mock-jakarta-frontpage.html
We might consider changing some of the wording if you are going to refer to
projects growing up and leaving. We could refer to Jakarta as a federation
of projects, some of which are under the oversight of the Jakarta PMC, and
some of
I share your concerns. The general question is what to do with such
projects, and I think we should be open to creative ideas. There has been
some suggestion that they be cleaned up by migrating them to some other
domain to be mothballed. The code, web site, and mailing list archives
would be
Scarab is used by Turbine, DB Torque and a couple of other sub projects.
I'll look at doing the migration, but it would be nice if we had someone who
was willing to maintain scarab.
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72 hours for this vote - classify this as a public release vote
requires majority (at least 3 +1s and more +1s than -1s )
I'm personally +1, but if any Jakarta project presents a reason why creates
a problem for them at the moment, I would consider that binding until we can
resolve the issue.
I think we shoul add it to a list of ones to archive somehow. Jsev,
alexandria etc.
We could import them and move them to an archives/ subtree, kind of like a
branch, or just delete them.
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I don't know how much vetting we do, but despite the fact that this is a
vendor page, I believe that a lot of people would complain about the phrase
[Covalent is] the only source of full commercial support for Apache
Tomcat.
Now that the ASF has established the PRC, perhaps it is time we turned
Shinobu Kawai and others asked:
Is the SVN server down?
Yes. Currently doing some maintenance on the database. About another hour,
I would estimate from the processing rate, so between 14:00 and 14:30 EST or
so.
Sorry for the inconvenience. Wasn't what I expected to be doing this
morning,
Could not access http://cvs.apache.org (e.g.
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-commons/transaction/ ) for quite
a while, anyone any idea what the problem is?
Yes. I took that httpd instance down because it was conflicting at the time
with SVN database maintanence. I haven't brought it
How can we find out whats already planned by Sun.
I asked that exact question, and was told that they don't want to bias our
input by telling us what is already on the plan. FWIW, I know that some of
the things are already on some plans there. There is a big meeting on
Monday to address
There has been a lot of good discussions. Now we need to prioritize the
list. I have, as a strawman, started a prioritized list at the top of the
page. I put Continutations at the top, since it had the most votes, and
added a few others. Obviously, I'm not going to add everyone's item. Add
Stephen Colebourne wrote:
How are we deciding on the Java Futures? Are we voting? Just talking?
Funny you should ask ... :-)
First, the ideas can be discussed on the mailing list, but we should collect
them on the Wiki. Second, we should try to prioritize them. Third, I have
some feedback
Sun is the final stages of collecting requirements for the releases that
will follow Tiger, which means the next 3 years. So here's your chance to
tell Sun what you would like to see in J2SE versions 6 and 7. Once we
gather all of the ideas, we can try to see if we can prioritize the list.
I
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I have created a wiki page to collect the information.
It would have helped if I remembered to paste the link ...
http://wiki.apache.org/general/JavaFutures
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matthew.hawthorne wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
I have created a wiki page to collect the information. Please DO NOT
reply
to this message. Instead, please use [EMAIL PROTECTED] (so
that we
have one open list) to discuss your ideas.
So, are you saying that instead of replying
Christian Anton wrote:
Is there a harder more terribly-documented install procedure
for any other product??
Jakarta isn't a product.
Why is Jakarta is comprised of a dozen or so strange components
at varying stages of development and interoperability and
documentation??
Because that is
Daniel F. Savarese wrote:
If someone with appropriate access wants to do the load feel free.
Done.
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From: Swamy, Narayana SS [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 9:54
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: help me !!!
Hi there,
I would to member of apache jakarta subscribe commity , give
me that url of corresponding page ?. help me
Thanx
Done.
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From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 8:44
To: Christian Geisert
Cc: Jakarta General Mailinglist; Apache Infrastructure
Subject: Re: Who is moderating Jakarta Turbine JCS mailing lists?
Hi,
Brian McCallister wrote:
I would strongly recommend checking out Axion
they promised users a 1.0 release in [the tigris] namespace
I hadn't heard that until recently. Is that what accounts for the delay
between the Incubator being informed on October 16th that DB PMC had voted
to sponsor
Interestingly, the ASF bylaws seem to imply that PMCs are only
for members and officers of the ASF. I may be mis-interpreting:
Project Management Committees consisting of at least one officer of the
corporation, who shall be designated chairman of such committee, and may
include one or more
I'd suggest subscribing to [EMAIL PROTECTED] [until]
the project has its own mailing lists.
It already does. :-) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send the normal subscribe
request.
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robert burrell donkin wrote:
IMO signatures are more important (than md5 sums) for the ASF and
less important for users. md5 sums are quick and easy to understand.
If we were ever hacked, MD5 sums could be replaced without detection. That
cannot be done with PGP keys, and we have had people
It appear Jira and Eyebrowse are down.
Fixed.
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the .htaccess file for the jakarta site has been modified directly but
is maintained in CVS. unless anyone knows a good reason not to, i'll
update the copy in CVS with the changes.
If the changes look right, please do. Not everyone who can make changes
knows that they are supposed to effect
As the wiki-update emails don't seem to get through to this list
No one ever added the address to the allow list, so they are all pending in
the moderator queue. And the sole moderator is rather busy right now. So
if the PMC would like to provide some additional moderators besides Geir ...
:-)
Henri Yandell wrote:
Please add me for both [EMAIL PROTECTED] and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Done.
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If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard.
Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process
- what is involved, any previous threads on the subject.
First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do with
dormant projects.
Secondly, I'm
Henri Yandell wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project.
Ever.
Only place I favour closing projects is when they are in the incubator and
'fail', or in commons-sandbox.
Depends upon what happens in the Incubator. If it does actually fail
Yoav Shapira wrote:
For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog,
as I think it's a useful example for other graveyard or end-of-life
scenarios.
We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process.
A tiny change to the Watchdog build.xml would fix [a problem],
we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with
oversight over any project which has public resources, whether it is
active, maintenance only or unsupported end-of-life.
Yes. But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it. I would leave
the project in the
We still need to take care of the mailing lists. I see two options:
- We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect
them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
- We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the
Watchdog site, and indicate in our notice of
Tim O'Brien wrote:
Noel J. Bergman wrote:
If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard.
Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting
this process
First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation
has to do with dormant projects.
You've been
We agree that burying a project is less than helpful.
It is the invite people to be active part that interests me. I'm not
saying I want an activity meter the likes of Sourceforge, but it is
polite to our users to give people a sense of activity.
Well, if we focus on the word COMMUNITY
Howard M. Lewis Ship asked:
Does anyone know where the (presumably) Photoshop files are for
the Apache logo (with the feather)?
Look in the foundation module.
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Yoav,
no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I don't know the answer to the project status, but I can confirm that there
is no such mailing list currently existent. I don't know when it
disappeared, other than the fact that it stopped archiving back in Nov 2002,
but entire mailing lists structures
Howard M. Lewis Ship wrote:
I've been asked to mirror the Tapestry and HiveMind libraries, but
haven't been able to find docs on
the web about how to do so.
Do you mean for Maven and similar tools, or the basic mirroring requested of
all ASF projects?
If the latter, it appears that Tapestry
As far as I know nothing has changed in regards to linking to LGPL
code in ASL code that we host.
As I understand it, we do not want to link to LGPL code directly, but can
use it under another interface, e.g., we cannot import an LGPL package, but
if we have an LGPL service provider for JDBC,
I've been waiting for the wiki to be fully set up
The problem is that nobody with the appropriate privileges seems to have
any time to move over some pages from the old wiki to the new one.
If all that is missing is karma, write a shell script with a list of mv
commands, and put it in your
If there is anything else that I need to do please let me know.
Ever tossed a ball into a crowd, and watched it fall because everyone
expects someone else to deal with it?
If nothing happens sooner, ping again in a week or so. I've got to add my
own company's information, and I can add yours
Are our wiki pages (either old UseMod or new MoinMoin) backed up
regularly? Or maybe backed up somewhere like CVS? Is there something
we can do if someone maliciously edits a page and removes all content?
UseMod kinda, MoinMoin, I'm not sure. In the longer run, Greg is working on
a
Formulate new proposals to the Apache lists in a similar manner to a new
JSR and write projects up in a similar format. Have named leads and ...
Having named leads of any sort is the antithesis of what I would like to
see within the ASF.
--- Noel
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with
the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ?
Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some point.
RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache projects with
gcj.
What about starting by making sure Apache java projects _do_ work with
the 2 open source JVMs that are mentioned in the article ?
Which two? I've had a thought to try testing James under gcj at some
point.
RedHat has already done a whole bunch of Java-based Apache projects with
gcj.
Well,
I didn't even know that http://www.apache.org/~coar/people.html existed. My
page is deliberately terse. Pretty much its only reason for existing is the
ICBM information.
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I have a small piece of code called Esperanto, and I´d like to make a JMS
free impl of this. It already delivers Objects in broadcast over some
methods, and I think it could become JMS compliant with a small effort.
I know of several uses for this sort of thing, especially if small and
light
What about JNDI libs? Is it been built as part of Geronimo, or is there a
single project to keep it´s developement?
See http://incubator.apache.org/directory/
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[X] +1 I support this proposal
[ ] -1 I don't support this proposal
[ ] 0 I abstain from voting for or against this proposal
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Is arch/tla an option for Apache projects?
No.
CVS is what we've been using, Subversion is the intended migration path.
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Howard,
To be clear, this is a proposal to move HiveMind out of Commons Sandbox into
Jakarta proper? Correct?
Just to address some of the infrastructure questions that will come up if
this is approved:
HiveMind represents a generous donation of code to the ASF by WebCT
(3) Identify any
(3.2) CVS repositories
The package shall use a root branch of the jakarta-hivemind CVS
repository.
Not Subversion?
Is there a pressing reason to go subversion?
Well, this is a new module, and will be migrating this year anyway. Is
there a reason to not use Subversion?
Are we svn
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