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Again my biggest concern is your assertion that you should adopt the
voting rules, etc. after joining. My opinion is that you should adopt
them, get them working.
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how long it will be before you come to Apache
but there is no harm and considerable benefit in moving to this model IMHO.
It would also enhance your chances of making it into Apache.
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that it is a component framework) so whoever has this sort of
behaviour is misusing Avalon.
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an MS logo on it's side steaming out
of a cup. I would change it.
Not to mention that sun will probably come after you for using their
traqdemark aswell ;)
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+1
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Date: May 2002
Anyone against sending this to announcements?
I'm +1 on content (and since my flamewar occupies about 30% of it, well!!!
:):):)
Pier
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I would actually prefer no peer review (or at least no binding peer
review). If people want to have a say what goes into it then they should
get off their butts and write something for it ;)
I am sure that the writers will be at responsible enough (and if not we can
yank
their privlidges to
participate and contribute to discussions on the overall structure of
Jakarta).
I believe this makes sense, more sense than what we have now, also because
we've seen that happening in the ASF for the very first time with a
non-coding member. Comments please?
Pier
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+ some mailing list management software + some product release software)
it would be very beneficial to push the administration down onto project
leads
So we'll also have 'project leads' ?
we
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pull in different directions?
Apache projects tend to attract an abundance of leaders.
Now thats a statement that can be taken about a billion different ways ... and
almost all of those interpretations would be true ;)
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of my demise have been greatly
exaggerated.
But he only said it once. Let us keep the legend alive! :)
Is anyone else reminded of the end of the Braveheart movie ?
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. This is not going to be captured in a simple count the
commits and note the committer style approach.
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[EGO] where appropriate ? :)
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On Tue, 14 May 2002 11:13, Jeff Barrett wrote:
What's the appropriate list for questions about stuff in the
org.apache.xml.serialize package?
Looks like something from xml.apache.org so I would check over there.
Probably something from xalan so maybe try xalan-user ??
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Just thought I would let you know.
I thought they were - just not in the haha sense :)
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On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi,
OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts
etc
For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage?
It should be size
benficial.
We already have the successful Commons model to use as a starting point.
Anyone have any comments?
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active defense. At
least thats what I vaguely recall but I could be wrong :)
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a problem for many sites that used certain JSP engines
or used default encoding for XSLT transforms (javalobby was one example).
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not yet tried it. And before
I jump into it I was wondering if anyone else has had a go? The main thing I
guess I am interested in is the performance as none of its docs talk about
how they cache instances of javabeans or when the beans are made stale etc.
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Hi,
As a side note. I have heard good things about
http://hibernate.sourceforge.net/ which is yet another persistence layer.
Unlike all the other ones this does not force you
). The Preferences API is already being
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the JVM will only be able to be configured using Preferences.
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Please don't cross post announcements to the general list. Announcements
should go to the announcements list as thats what it is meant for.
On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:14, Jason van Zyl wrote:
The Maven team is pleased to announce the Beta 3 release!
http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/maven/
Hi,
Is there any desire to get a mailman interface to the Apache mailing lists?
(For those of you who don't know it is the same interface used at sourceforge
- but their archives suck so we can use our own for that.)
The reason being that I have received a bunch of admin emails over last few
Hm - we have an announcement list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for
this sort of thing. No need to cross post.
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 05:32, Morgan Delagrange wrote:
Come and get the Commons Collections 2.0 release!
http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/components.html
Commons-Collections provides
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:28, Vladimir Bossicard wrote:
god no. The avalon group was already using a facade logger long before
commons was for much the same reason commons adopted one.
Is Avalon still using its own facade logger or changed to commons-logging?
its own. The commons logger does
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:08, Danny Angus wrote:
This raises a couple of issues though..
a) it implies that there be an ant based installer for each application
participating in the scheme
Maybe not an ant based installer. However what it does need is something that
is equivelent to unixes
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:36, Danny Angus wrote:
Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you
might was well
support their interfaces and semantics, and then 'embrace and
extend'. Just
do the JSR47 stuff better :)
Could Log4J now become an RI of JSR47 ? (I'm still not
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:48, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 3/29/02 10:40 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:36, Danny Angus wrote:
Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you
might was well
support their interfaces and semantics
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:49, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
*gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has
begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a
free seminar by accident*
The funny thing is that some of the people marketing maven haven't even
Just as a heads up. There will be something that helps you manage version
information in jars in the next release (1.5). It semi-automates declaration
of library name and version and it also allows the jar to declare
dependencies on other libraries. It does this according the following spec.
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:13, Scott Sanders wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Ceki Glc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
I never suspected (nor suggested) that commons-logging effort
was dishonorable in any way. My contention is that it will
make life harder not easier. Nothing more,
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:38, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
1) logging calls are made thousands of times so the indirection through
an equalizer API (like commons-logging) has a performance impact
Not in modern JVMs (read most almost all jdk1.3 impls).
As long as the underlying indirection (ie between
Wow this is absolutely fabulous - not what I expected to see - yea!!!
If some one would bug them to include JMX in their soon to be blessed list
then everything that we do at Apache would be legal - woooh!
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:38, Daniel F. Savarese wrote:
Hot off the press:
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On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:00, Jason Hunter wrote:
Peter Donald wrote:
Wow this is absolutely fabulous - not what I expected to see - yea!!!
If some one would bug them to include JMX in their soon to be blessed
list then everything that we do at Apache would be legal - woooh!
I'll pass
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:47, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
All very good points. The question on my mind is whether these
problems can be corrected in the future by opening up the (JCP) Java
Community Process or whether the closed-like-a-clamp is a symptom
of a more serious and profound disease - my
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:03, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their
own JAXP clone?
I don't see how as they need access to Suns IP someway and there is no way to
get a license to do that. Ie can't use spec without being tainted and can't
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote:
They still include the jaxp source code, in xml-commons.
But it's a clean-room implementation, made directly from the spec.
The directly from the spec is where the problem lies. It uses suns IP
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:17, Kevin A. Burton wrote:
I am not sure it should happen within the ASF (but maybe I am wrong). For
example the ASF wouldn't start developing hardware... it would be a huge
leap. I think developing standards would be a similar leap... am I wrong?
Hell no. Look at all
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
BTW, the clause 'complete and unmodified' is very interesting - does it
refers to the jar or the whole binary package ( most people refer to the
whole downloaded package as 'software', and the jar is a piece of it ).
If so, tomcat and most
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote:
Correct - but even packages that presumably have IBM (and sun?) people
working on them have questionable legalities. Take xerces (or crimson),
at one stage they included the jaxp source code
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:19, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Before we do the call for papers, does anyone really care? I would rather
do nothing than do something lame.
Serious show of hands here - if you will be in the area, and are interested
in attending, say so. Feel free to send to me
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 01:14, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
As a future suggestion: probably at least one committer to every project
should have access to the webserver. I know its important to protect it
and all, but since there is currently no good alternative... It doesn't
work otherwise. Trust
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:16, dIon Gillard wrote:
Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Cool.. thanks man!
On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 16:55, Sam Ruby wrote:
I've added poi to the list of sites which I automatically update every
six hours.
See: http://www.apache.org/~rubys/updatesite.log1 ..
On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:22, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
How do we get nightly builds/source releases happening and posting?
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.html
Ask Sam nicely to update his cron job to do that for you.
Once we release how do we get the release put up:
On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:29, Peter Donald wrote:
on codejakarta.apache.org/code. If no one has permission to do that
then you can ask for permission or get someone else to do it.
Note to self. When writing Javadocs use HTML tags, when writing email - dont!
When swapping between two activities
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:50, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I committed a few changes to the POI website (new committers, new high
level
components, etc) a week ago or so and so far these haven't rolled over
to
the website. Can someone with httpd access update it please?
I tried to do it but
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:29, Colin Chalmers wrote:
It's good to know your enemy but lets not talk Java into it's grave. Just
because MickySoft comes out with something to compete against Java people
seem to be taking fright and already talking about ditching Java for C#
thereby playing into
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote:
Let's see: Microsoft is going to be a better deal in terms of open code
than Sun Microsystems?
err ... you trolling ? guess so.
I guess since I am fed up because Sun won't let me have free rein with
their code, I should
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:41, Nathaniel G. Auvil wrote:
My name is Nathaniel Auvil and I run the jCharts project hosted at
http://sourceforge.net/projects/jcharts/
I was wondering if there would be any possibility of jCharts joining the
Jakarta project. I have been carrying all the weight of
Hi,
There seems to be a lot of confusion about Apaches stance regarding the
JCP/Sun entity and its licensing practices. I have heard a few different
opinions ranging from Sun the evil empire is doing bad things to the
whiny Apache people are whining about being abused by Sun. Whatever.
Here
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:47, Vladimir Bossicard wrote:
I have implemented this solution but I think it would be better if this
is done directly by the Jakarta project itself.
Feel free to join up to alexandria-dev and look at the gump proposal. It
should minimal changes to this product to get
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
*if* there was an open, semi-stable platform then I am sure a fair
chunk of people would flock to it - especially if it is under a nice
license like MIT that both the BSD and GPL people seem to like.
BUT THERE WON'T BE!
you
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:49, Bill Barker wrote:
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Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:36 PM
Subject: Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache
After some
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it would be
standardized?
Are you looking towards
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:09, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote:
Hi Stefano,
-Mensaje original-
De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a
Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote:
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN?
Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:19, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
I just wanted to say that I'm not going to accept my Jakarta PMC nomination
and do not want to be included in the voting for the next election.
I have been involved with Java Apache/Jakarta since Sept 1996 and I think
that it is
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:58, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
For starters:
I think the J2EE stuff should be under at least the same license as the
rest of the JDK.
I think it is - or at least it used to be? The J2EE trademark is protected as
much as the Java trademark is - in some ways less in some
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:19, Sam Ruby wrote:
[[ moved to general ]]
Costin Manolache wrote:
Maybe I'm crazy, but so far I did a lot of the build.xml changes every
time a new ant was released, with all the pain of trying (without
success ) to make it work with the old version and the new
+1
On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:45, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Proposal for POI - A Jakarta Subproject
version 1.0 - 17 Jan 2002
(0) rationale
The POI project seeks to provide pure Java APIs for reading, creating
and manipulating files written in formats based on Microsoft OLE 2
Compound Document
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:27, Sam Ruby wrote:
The number of PMC seats will be set at seven. Annually, all seven seats
will be up for renewal. The ASF board will be asked to provide a person or
persons to administer the nominations and a subsequent ballot. The
administrator(s) will determine
Read.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html
or recently proposed
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2b.html
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:26, Andy Armstrong wrote:
I've updated this page
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsonwin32.html
to reflect the fact that PuTTY, a free /
The recomended solution for this is to use a branch. ie When you make a
release you also branch at same instant. Then if you need to update the
current web docs you modify them in the branch, then update the website
(which is using last branch released). If you need to update the docs for the
do a web search with the words win and cvs in it. SHouldn't be hard to find
one. Alternatively go to the wincvs site.
On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:15, Armin Zeltner wrote:
Hi,
I need a good free wi32 cvs client with gui.
Any websites for download?
THX Armin
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On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:18, Sam Ruby wrote:
Peter Donald wrote:
Unless you plan on adding similar comments for a few other projects I
would
suggest you remove the commons advertising
Why? Should the reference to Turbine be removed from
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/source.html ?
Do
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:05, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Consider this - how many committers are there in commons atm - 10, 20, 30
? Now to get a new project moved you need a 3/4 vote - lets be generous
and say about 12 votes! That seems real likely.
And we are looking at changing that we
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:17, robert burrell donkin wrote:
On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Peter Donald wrote:
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:50, robert burrell donkin wrote:
i find jakarta-site2.html a little bit confusing. so - as requested on
the
page - i'm providing some feedback
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:54, Ted Husted wrote:
There's a proposed redraft of the Subproject Proposals page at
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject2.html
It's mainly a refactoring, adding subheadings, and so forth, and relies
on the content of the original page
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:38, Gunnar Rønning wrote:
* Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:08, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
| Some of the existing projects within Jakarta are server-side only,
| others are client-side as well as server-side, none are client-side
| only
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:02, Ted Husted wrote:
Since the rates weren't published, I figured as much :)
This is still in the speculative stages, but in the event that we
attract some capital, I'd very much like to come knocking on
collab.net's door. In the meantime, I'd like to get started it
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:07, Daniel Rall wrote:
Ceki Glc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and
should perhaps look to exercise a different profession.
Agreed.
I agree - using the compiler to detect errors is such a stupid idea. Real
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:59, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 1/10/02 2:54 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:07, Daniel Rall wrote:
Ceki Glc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and
should perhaps look
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:16, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 1/10/02 6:11 AM, Stephane Bailliez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
[...]
Real programmers don't use compilers...
It looks like there were needs for some
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55, Vincent Massol wrote:
1/ Now that we are in 2002, do we need to change the text in all our
license files to be : Copyright (c) 1999-2002 The Apache Software
Foundation instead of Copyright (c) 1999-2001 The Apache Software
Foundation ?
should change it to include
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a
file?
It is a legal requirement for the license to be valid.
I don't disagree with the suggestion - I mean, we need to do it - I am
just asking what makes it a rule
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 1/9/02 8:30 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a
file?
It is a legal requirement for the license
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:36, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Just a question. Maybe I missed this in the discussions. Every once
and a while the short license versus big license discussion goes
through here. Meaning the source code for some projects whether
correctly or incorrectly be convention
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:03, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
In this email, all I hear you doing is pointing fingers.
It has nothing to do with that. I keep hearing you and other people say
jakarta is broken. However as far as I can tell it is just talk whenever
someone steps on your toes. You don't
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:29, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I also will say I haven't seen community crosstalk between XML and Jakarta,
from the point of view as communities. I know there are individuals who
contribute greatly to both communities, and many of us here in Jakarta
depend on XML
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:36, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
The JBoss guys are very smart. Scott Stark is extremely high caliber. Mark
is no idiot either. Jboss is successful because it is so fucking good. From
where I stand, the other appservers are just copying JBoss. Where do you
think the MBean
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:40, Sam Ruby wrote:
Peter Donald wrote:
So are you proposing to become a log4j committer?
Would there be a point to that?
It depends on whether and how you want to contribute.
There still is a lot of work to do. Ceki
And theres the rub.
These one
maybe you would be better served asking on the Tomcat-user mailing list
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I have installed , tomcat 4.0.1, and i have added an context in the
webapps..
but when i m trying to use the class files it is not picking up.., saying
nopt found...
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:15, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Of course it is easier to start from scratch to invent yet another
validation framework. This is where I see another failure of Jakarta.
People only go with the easiest route without any concern about the long
term mess they are making.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:02, Ceki Gulcu wrote:
--- Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:33, Ceki Gulcu wrote:
Peter,
So are you proposing to become a log4j committer?
Would there be a point to that?
It depends on whether and how you want to contribute
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:10, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I was leafing through my copy of A Pattern Language by Alexander,
Ishikawa and Silverstein, which is really about architecture of human
habitat (buildings and environs), and ran across some interesting
assertions about society and groups.
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:22, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
On 1/6/02 8:06 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I thought I would share, as my thinking about removing community
containers here in Jakarta, XML et al resonates well this.
Personally, I just think its
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:08, Ceki Gülcü wrote:
Some of the existing projects within Jakarta are server-side only, others
are client-side as well as server-side, none are client-side only.
except for JMeter ?
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Cheers,
Pete
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 04:14, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
BTW, do you know they use Velocity for something???
Who, POI?
Cocoon have a VelocityGenerator (the first stage in their XML transformation
pipeline).
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Cheers,
Pete
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