Re: Footprints to the mail (Re: [PATCH] index.xml/elsewhere.xml/binidex.xml/source.xml/project.xml)

2003-06-06 Thread Peter Donald
that list will moderate the messages and authorize you for all future mails. SO after this your mail shoul,d go through imediately. -- Cheers, Peter Donald ** | We must become the change we want to see. - Gandhi

Re: Babeldoc Proposal

2003-06-03 Thread Peter Donald
email. I can be contacted at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Cheers, Peter Donald

Re: Jakarta: too many similar projects?

2003-03-17 Thread Peter Donald
draft but may still be relevent. In particular implications of certain design decisions. Even when a draft becomes public you may be restricted from discussing points and implications of decisions. -- Cheers, Peter Donald *-* * Faced

Re: Forum Software for Jakarta?

2003-01-15 Thread Peter Donald
be downloaded from www.phpBB.com and offers many of the features users would find helpful. I would highly suggest this move for the Jakarta site. checkout nagoya.apache.org. It has a forum ... no one uses it ;) -- Cheers, Peter Donald

Re: TestMaker and Jakarta

2002-12-04 Thread Peter Donald
to TestMaker 3.1 and 2 more are committers. I am still interested in donating TestMaker to Jakarta. -Frank -- Cheers, Peter Donald Liberty means responsibility. That is why most men dread it. - Locke

Re: Can't get to bug database

2002-10-22 Thread Peter Donald
http://issues.apache.org/bugzilla/ http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/enter_bug.cgi?product=Ant http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ -- Dave -- Cheers, Peter Donald --- Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure

Re: Evaluation Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-20 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 1 Jan 1970 09:59, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Again my biggest concern is your assertion that you should adopt the voting rules, etc. after joining. My opinion is that you should adopt them, get them working. +1 -- Cheers, Peter Donald Duct tape is like the force. It has a light

Re: Log reporting (was: Is Cactus successful)

2002-10-20 Thread Peter Donald
themselves by going straight to the weblog concept. Hen -- Cheers, Peter Donald No. Try not. Do. Or do not. There is no try. -- Yoda -- To unsubscribe, e

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
under Jakarta. =) Well it is faster ... ;) -- Cheers, Peter Donald Sufficiently advanced science is indistinguishable from magic -- Arthur C. Clarke -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:general

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
even go the full way (swinglets or whatever it is called). -- Cheers, Peter Donald The two secrets to success: 1- Don't tell anyone everything. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:general-unsubscribe;jakarta.apache.org

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-19 Thread Peter Donald
how long it will be before you come to Apache but there is no harm and considerable benefit in moving to this model IMHO. It would also enhance your chances of making it into Apache. -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- Logic: The art of being wrong

Re: [PROPOSAL] Tapestry joins Jakarta

2002-10-18 Thread Peter Donald
be well served by moving Tapestry under the Jakarta umbrella. -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- Mark Twain: In the real world, the right thing never happens in the right place at the right time. It is the task of journalists and historians

Re: Differences between Structs and Turbine ???

2002-10-08 Thread Peter Donald
that it is a component framework) so whoever has this sort of behaviour is misusing Avalon. -- Cheers, Peter Donald The ability to quote is a serviceable substitute for wit. -- Maugham -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: unbiased opinions wanted.

2002-06-10 Thread Peter Donald
an MS logo on it's side steaming out of a cup. I would change it. Not to mention that sun will probably come after you for using their traqdemark aswell ;) Cheers, Peter Donald ~~~ Faced with the choice between changing one's mind, and proving

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

2002-06-05 Thread Peter Donald
+1 At 03:04 AM 6/6/2002 +0100, you wrote: Rob Oxspring [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jakarta Newsletter == Issue: 0 Date: May 2002 Anyone against sending this to announcements? I'm +1 on content (and since my flamewar occupies about 30% of it, well!!! :):):) Pier --

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

2002-06-05 Thread Peter Donald
I would actually prefer no peer review (or at least no binding peer review). If people want to have a say what goes into it then they should get off their butts and write something for it ;) I am sure that the writers will be at responsible enough (and if not we can yank their privlidges to

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-27 Thread Peter Donald
participate and contribute to discussions on the overall structure of Jakarta). I believe this makes sense, more sense than what we have now, also because we've seen that happening in the ASF for the very first time with a non-coding member. Comments please? Pier -- Cheers, Peter Donald

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-27 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 28 May 2002 03:12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 26 May 2002, Peter Donald wrote: + some mailing list management software + some product release software) it would be very beneficial to push the administration down onto project leads So we'll also have 'project leads' ? we

Re: FW: Howdy... just FYI, the bcel-dev archive mailing list link is broken...

2002-05-26 Thread Peter Donald
! -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: welcoming and nurturing volunteers

2002-05-26 Thread Peter Donald
pull in different directions? Apache projects tend to attract an abundance of leaders. Now thats a statement that can be taken about a billion different ways ... and almost all of those interpretations would be true ;) -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Criteria for commit access

2002-05-26 Thread Peter Donald
of my demise have been greatly exaggerated. But he only said it once. Let us keep the legend alive! :) Is anyone else reminded of the end of the Braveheart movie ? -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Project Activity

2002-05-13 Thread Peter Donald
. This is not going to be captured in a simple count the commits and note the committer style approach. -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-13 Thread Peter Donald
we could also prefix their messages with [TROLL], [SPAM], [WHINING] or [EGO] where appropriate ? :) -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Advertisement using Apache lists

2002-05-13 Thread Peter Donald
Barozzi [EMAIL PROTECTED] - verba volant, scripta manent - (discussions get forgotten, just code remains) -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: where to send questions about Other Classes

2002-05-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 14 May 2002 11:13, Jeff Barrett wrote: What's the appropriate list for questions about stuff in the org.apache.xml.serialize package? Looks like something from xml.apache.org so I would check over there. Probably something from xalan so maybe try xalan-user ?? -- Cheers, Peter

Re: BTW - You guys aren't so funny.

2002-05-03 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 3 May 2002 10:45, Sam Ruby wrote: Just thought I would let you know. I thought they were - just not in the haha sense :) -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-03 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 3 May 2002 11:44, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 5/2/02 6:33 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, OJB deserves to be a peer to other projects alongside ant, avalon, struts etc For future reference, can we quantify this 'deservation' of peerage? It should be size

Re: Database Subproject Discussion : creation of DBCommons ?

2002-05-02 Thread Peter Donald
benficial. We already have the successful Commons model to use as a starting point. Anyone have any comments? -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Trademarks, copyright etc

2002-05-01 Thread Peter Donald
active defense. At least thats what I vaguely recall but I could be wrong :) -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!)

2002-05-01 Thread Peter Donald
a problem for many sites that used certain JSP engines or used default encoding for XSLT transforms (javalobby was one example). -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

2002-04-25 Thread Peter Donald
not yet tried it. And before I jump into it I was wondering if anyone else has had a go? The main thing I guess I am interested in is the performance as none of its docs talk about how they cache instances of javabeans or when the beans are made stale etc. -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe

Re: Subproject Proposal - crossdb

2002-04-25 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 26 Apr 2002 09:20, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: on 4/25/02 3:37 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, As a side note. I have heard good things about http://hibernate.sourceforge.net/ which is yet another persistence layer. Unlike all the other ones this does not force you

Re: New Subproject proposal Config4J

2002-04-24 Thread Peter Donald
). The Preferences API is already being integrated into several core APIs and by jdk1.5/tiger release large chunks of the JVM will only be able to be configured using Preferences. -- Cheers, Peter Donald -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [ANN] Maven b3 released!

2002-04-11 Thread Peter Donald
Please don't cross post announcements to the general list. Announcements should go to the announcements list as thats what it is meant for. On Thu, 11 Apr 2002 23:14, Jason van Zyl wrote: The Maven team is pleased to announce the Beta 3 release! http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine/maven/

Mailman for Jakarta/Apache?

2002-04-09 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, Is there any desire to get a mailman interface to the Apache mailing lists? (For those of you who don't know it is the same interface used at sourceforge - but their archives suck so we can use our own for that.) The reason being that I have received a bunch of admin emails over last few

Re: [ANNOUNCE] Jakarta Commons Collections 2.0 Released

2002-04-05 Thread Peter Donald
Hm - we have an announcement list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] for this sort of thing. No need to cross post. On Sat, 6 Apr 2002 05:32, Morgan Delagrange wrote: Come and get the Commons Collections 2.0 release! http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/components.html Commons-Collections provides

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:28, Vladimir Bossicard wrote: god no. The avalon group was already using a facade logger long before commons was for much the same reason commons adopted one. Is Avalon still using its own facade logger or changed to commons-logging? its own. The commons logger does

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-29 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:08, Danny Angus wrote: This raises a couple of issues though.. a) it implies that there be an ant based installer for each application participating in the scheme Maybe not an ant based installer. However what it does need is something that is equivelent to unixes

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:36, Danny Angus wrote: Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you might was well support their interfaces and semantics, and then 'embrace and extend'. Just do the JSR47 stuff better :) Could Log4J now become an RI of JSR47 ? (I'm still not

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-29 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:48, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 3/29/02 10:40 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:36, Danny Angus wrote: Now that you can (well, soon) legally implement JSR47's, you might was well support their interfaces and semantics

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 07:49, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: *gets the feeling that the project marketing campaign for Maven has begun and wonders if he bought into a time share and singed up for a free seminar by accident* The funny thing is that some of the people marketing maven haven't even

Re: Managing versions of Apache Jakarta software

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Donald
Just as a heads up. There will be something that helps you manage version information in jars in the next release (1.5). It semi-automates declaration of library name and version and it also allows the jar to declare dependencies on other libraries. It does this according the following spec.

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:13, Scott Sanders wrote: -Original Message- From: Ceki Glc [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] I never suspected (nor suggested) that commons-logging effort was dishonorable in any way. My contention is that it will make life harder not easier. Nothing more,

Re: Comments on the commons-logging API

2002-03-28 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:38, Ceki Gülcü wrote: 1) logging calls are made thousands of times so the indirection through an equalizer API (like commons-logging) has a performance impact Not in modern JVMs (read most almost all jdk1.3 impls). As long as the underlying indirection (ie between

Re: JCP Program Chair responds to Apache Software Foundation (fwd)

2002-03-22 Thread Peter Donald
Wow this is absolutely fabulous - not what I expected to see - yea!!! If some one would bug them to include JMX in their soon to be blessed list then everything that we do at Apache would be legal - woooh! On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 07:38, Daniel F. Savarese wrote: Hot off the press: ---

Re: JCP Program Chair responds to Apache Software Foundation (fwd)

2002-03-22 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 23 Mar 2002 16:00, Jason Hunter wrote: Peter Donald wrote: Wow this is absolutely fabulous - not what I expected to see - yea!!! If some one would bug them to include JMX in their soon to be blessed list then everything that we do at Apache would be legal - woooh! I'll pass

Re: [OT] JCP rant

2002-03-21 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 06:47, Ceki Gülcü wrote: All very good points. The question on my mind is whether these problems can be corrected in the future by opening up the (JCP) Java Community Process or whether the closed-like-a-clamp is a symptom of a more serious and profound disease - my

Re: LICENSE in .jar files

2002-03-20 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 21 Mar 2002 13:03, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: So could a non-tainted person through black box testing produce their own JAXP clone? I don't see how as they need access to Suns IP someway and there is no way to get a license to do that. Ie can't use spec without being tainted and can't

Re: License issue (the come back)

2002-03-14 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 07:51, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 14 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: They still include the jaxp source code, in xml-commons. But it's a clean-room implementation, made directly from the spec. The directly from the spec is where the problem lies. It uses suns IP

Re: Borland, Fujitsu, HP, IONA, Nokia, and Oracle voted with Sun tolock Open Source out of Java.

2002-03-14 Thread Peter Donald
On Fri, 15 Mar 2002 07:17, Kevin A. Burton wrote: I am not sure it should happen within the ASF (but maybe I am wrong). For example the ASF wouldn't start developing hardware... it would be a huge leap. I think developing standards would be a similar leap... am I wrong? Hell no. Look at all

Re: License issue (the come back)

2002-03-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:41, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BTW, the clause 'complete and unmodified' is very interesting - does it refers to the jar or the whole binary package ( most people refer to the whole downloaded package as 'software', and the jar is a piece of it ). If so, tomcat and most

Re: License issue (the come back)

2002-03-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 14 Mar 2002 03:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Peter Donald wrote: Correct - but even packages that presumably have IBM (and sun?) people working on them have questionable legalities. Take xerces (or crimson), at one stage they included the jaxp source code

Re: JakartaOne

2002-03-12 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 11 Mar 2002 15:19, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Before we do the call for papers, does anyone really care? I would rather do nothing than do something lame. Serious show of hands here - if you will be in the area, and are interested in attending, say so. Feel free to send to me

Re: cvs commit: jakarta-poi/build/jakarta-poi/docs/apidocs/org/apache/poi/util - New directory

2002-03-12 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 9 Mar 2002 01:14, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: As a future suggestion: probably at least one committer to every project should have access to the webserver. I know its important to protect it and all, but since there is currently no good alternative... It doesn't work otherwise. Trust

Re: POI web update

2002-03-03 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 4 Mar 2002 10:16, dIon Gillard wrote: Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Cool.. thanks man! On Sun, 2002-03-03 at 16:55, Sam Ruby wrote: I've added poi to the list of sites which I automatically update every six hours. See: http://www.apache.org/~rubys/updatesite.log1 ..

Re: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

2002-03-01 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:22, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: How do we get nightly builds/source releases happening and posting? http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.html Ask Sam nicely to update his cron job to do that for you. Once we release how do we get the release put up:

Re: POI nightly builds and upcoming release howto

2002-03-01 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 2 Mar 2002 09:29, Peter Donald wrote: on codejakarta.apache.org/code. If no one has permission to do that then you can ask for permission or get someone else to do it. Note to self. When writing Javadocs use HTML tags, when writing email - dont! When swapping between two activities

Re: update POI web

2002-02-28 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 28 Feb 2002 23:50, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I committed a few changes to the POI website (new committers, new high level components, etc) a week ago or so and so far these haven't rolled over to the website. Can someone with httpd access update it please? I tried to do it but

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-25 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 18:29, Colin Chalmers wrote: It's good to know your enemy but lets not talk Java into it's grave. Just because MickySoft comes out with something to compete against Java people seem to be taking fright and already talking about ditching Java for C# thereby playing into

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-25 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 25 Feb 2002 21:45, Micael Padraig Og mac Grene wrote: Let's see: Microsoft is going to be a better deal in terms of open code than Sun Microsystems? err ... you trolling ? guess so. I guess since I am fed up because Sun won't let me have free rein with their code, I should

Re: adding my project to jakarta

2002-02-25 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 26 Feb 2002 02:41, Nathaniel G. Auvil wrote: My name is Nathaniel Auvil and I run the jCharts project hosted at http://sourceforge.net/projects/jcharts/ I was wondering if there would be any possibility of jCharts joining the Jakarta project. I have been carrying all the weight of

Sun and Licensing issues

2002-02-22 Thread Peter Donald
Hi, There seems to be a lot of confusion about Apaches stance regarding the JCP/Sun entity and its licensing practices. I have heard a few different opinions ranging from Sun the evil empire is doing bad things to the whiny Apache people are whining about being abused by Sun. Whatever. Here

Re: distribute minimal jar

2002-02-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 14 Feb 2002 10:47, Vladimir Bossicard wrote: I have implemented this solution but I think it would be better if this is done directly by the Jakarta project itself. Feel free to join up to alexandria-dev and look at the gump proposal. It should minimal changes to this product to get

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-06 Thread Peter Donald
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: *if* there was an open, semi-stable platform then I am sure a fair chunk of people would flock to it - especially if it is under a nice license like MIT that both the BSD and GPL people seem to like. BUT THERE WON'T BE! you

Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache

2002-02-06 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 7 Feb 2002 18:49, Bill Barker wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 10:36 PM Subject: Re: PMC Nomination - Costin Manolache After some

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN? Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java proprietary even after they promised us for *years* that it would be standardized? Are you looking towards

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Peter Donald
On Wed, 6 Feb 2002 04:09, Fernandez Martinez, Alejandro wrote: Hi Stefano, -Mensaje original- De: Stefano Mazzocchi [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] My position: give me a solid (possibly GPL-ed) CLI implementation, a Java2C# porting tool, a BSD-licensed library of .NET

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:41, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 03:14, Peter Donald wrote: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002 11:38, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Are you upset at the way Java is being handled by SUN? Do you feel lied to about the fact that SUN is still keeping Java

Re: Jakarta PMC Nomination - Rejection

2002-02-01 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 2 Feb 2002 07:19, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: Hey all, I just wanted to say that I'm not going to accept my Jakarta PMC nomination and do not want to be included in the voting for the next election. I have been involved with Java Apache/Jakarta since Sept 1996 and I think that it is

Re: [Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-30 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 12:58, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: For starters: I think the J2EE stuff should be under at least the same license as the rest of the JDK. I think it is - or at least it used to be? The J2EE trademark is protected as much as the Java trademark is - in some ways less in some

Re: Ant2

2002-01-25 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 26 Jan 2002 05:19, Sam Ruby wrote: [[ moved to general ]] Costin Manolache wrote: Maybe I'm crazy, but so far I did a lot of the build.xml changes every time a new ant was released, with all the pain of trying (without success ) to make it work with the old version and the new

Re: [PROPOSAL] POI @ Jakarta

2002-01-17 Thread Peter Donald
+1 On Fri, 18 Jan 2002 06:45, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Proposal for POI - A Jakarta Subproject version 1.0 - 17 Jan 2002 (0) rationale The POI project seeks to provide pure Java APIs for reading, creating and manipulating files written in formats based on Microsoft OLE 2 Compound Document

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta PMC bylaws change

2002-01-16 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 06:27, Sam Ruby wrote: The number of PMC seats will be set at seven. Annually, all seven seats will be up for renewal. The ASF board will be asked to provide a person or persons to administer the nominations and a subsequent ballot. The administrator(s) will determine

Re: Updating the site

2002-01-16 Thread Peter Donald
Read. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2.html or recently proposed http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2b.html On Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:26, Andy Armstrong wrote: I've updated this page http://jakarta.apache.org/site/cvsonwin32.html to reflect the fact that PuTTY, a free /

Re: Managing project documentation (release vs CVS versions) ?

2002-01-16 Thread Peter Donald
The recomended solution for this is to use a branch. ie When you make a release you also branch at same instant. Then if you need to update the current web docs you modify them in the branch, then update the website (which is using last branch released). If you need to update the docs for the

Re: Free Wi32-CVS Gui client

2002-01-15 Thread Peter Donald
do a web search with the words win and cvs in it. SHouldn't be hard to find one. Alternatively go to the wincvs site. On Wed, 16 Jan 2002 10:15, Armin Zeltner wrote: Hi, I need a good free wi32 cvs client with gui. Any websites for download? THX Armin -- Cheers, Pete

Re: proposal for the jakarta startpage

2002-01-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 00:18, Sam Ruby wrote: Peter Donald wrote: Unless you plan on adding similar comments for a few other projects I would suggest you remove the commons advertising Why? Should the reference to Turbine be removed from http://jakarta.apache.org/site/source.html ? Do

Re: proposal for the jakarta startpage

2002-01-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 01:05, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Consider this - how many committers are there in commons atm - 10, 20, 30 ? Now to get a new project moved you need a 3/4 vote - lets be generous and say about 12 votes! That seems real likely. And we are looking at changing that we

Re: updating subproject websites

2002-01-13 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 10:17, robert burrell donkin wrote: On Sunday, January 13, 2002, at 10:00 PM, Peter Donald wrote: On Mon, 14 Jan 2002 07:50, robert burrell donkin wrote: i find jakarta-site2.html a little bit confusing. so - as requested on the page - i'm providing some feedback

Re: proposal for the jakarta startpage

2002-01-12 Thread Peter Donald
On Sun, 13 Jan 2002 09:54, Ted Husted wrote: There's a proposed redraft of the Subproject Proposals page at http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject2.html It's mainly a refactoring, adding subheadings, and so forth, and relies on the content of the original page

Re: Cultural homogeneity

2002-01-11 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 04:38, Gunnar Rønning wrote: * Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 03:08, Ceki Gülcü wrote: | Some of the existing projects within Jakarta are server-side only, | others are client-side as well as server-side, none are client-side | only

Re: [OT] Groupware Website Recommendations

2002-01-11 Thread Peter Donald
On Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:02, Ted Husted wrote: Since the rates weren't published, I figured as much :) This is still in the speculative stages, but in the event that we attract some capital, I'd very much like to come knocking on collab.net's door. In the meantime, I'd like to get started it

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-10 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:07, Daniel Rall wrote: Ceki Glc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and should perhaps look to exercise a different profession. Agreed. I agree - using the compiler to detect errors is such a stupid idea. Real

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-10 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 21:59, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 1/10/02 2:54 AM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:07, Daniel Rall wrote: Ceki Glc [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: People who repeatedly forget to type this represent a minority and should perhaps look

Re: More abuse of coding styles...

2002-01-10 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:16, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 1/10/02 6:11 AM, Stephane Bailliez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] [...] Real programmers don't use compilers... It looks like there were needs for some

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Wed, 9 Jan 2002 10:55, Vincent Massol wrote: 1/ Now that we are in 2002, do we need to change the text in all our license files to be : Copyright (c) 1999-2002 The Apache Software Foundation instead of Copyright (c) 1999-2001 The Apache Software Foundation ? should change it to include

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a file? It is a legal requirement for the license to be valid. I don't disagree with the suggestion - I mean, we need to do it - I am just asking what makes it a rule

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:45, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 1/9/02 8:30 PM, Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:24, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: Here's a quick question - what makes that a rule? Ted putting it into a file? It is a legal requirement for the license

Re: License change for new year ?

2002-01-09 Thread Peter Donald
On Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:36, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Just a question. Maybe I missed this in the discussions. Every once and a while the short license versus big license discussion goes through here. Meaning the source code for some projects whether correctly or incorrectly be convention

Re: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-08 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 03:03, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: In this email, all I hear you doing is pointing fingers. It has nothing to do with that. I keep hearing you and other people say jakarta is broken. However as far as I can tell it is just talk whenever someone steps on your toes. You don't

Re: proposal for the jakarta startpage

2002-01-08 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 15:29, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I also will say I haven't seen community crosstalk between XML and Jakarta, from the point of view as communities. I know there are individuals who contribute greatly to both communities, and many of us here in Jakarta depend on XML

Re: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-08 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 12:36, Ceki Gülcü wrote: The JBoss guys are very smart. Scott Stark is extremely high caliber. Mark is no idiot either. Jboss is successful because it is so fucking good. From where I stand, the other appservers are just copying JBoss. Where do you think the MBean

Re: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-08 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 20:55, Peter Donald wrote: The best way to describe it was something I think Craig said, something like - it doesn't much matter if there is an existing project with same aims, what matters is what committers are willing to commit to. err maybe it was Ted ;) -- Cheers

Re: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-08 Thread Peter Donald
On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 01:40, Sam Ruby wrote: Peter Donald wrote: So are you proposing to become a log4j committer? Would there be a point to that? It depends on whether and how you want to contribute. There still is a lot of work to do. Ceki And theres the rub. These one

Re: Not able to put classes in the class path

2002-01-08 Thread Peter Donald
maybe you would be better served asking on the Tomcat-user mailing list On Tue, 8 Jan 2002 21:42, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have installed , tomcat 4.0.1, and i have added an context in the webapps.. but when i m trying to use the class files it is not picking up.., saying nopt found...

Re: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-07 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 09:15, Jon Scott Stevens wrote: Of course it is easier to start from scratch to invent yet another validation framework. This is where I see another failure of Jakarta. People only go with the easiest route without any concern about the long term mess they are making.

Re: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-07 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:33, Ceki Gulcu wrote: Peter, So are you proposing to become a log4j committer? Would there be a point to that? -- Cheers, Pete --- To fight and conquer in all your battles is not supreme excellence; supreme

Re: Commons Validator Packaging/Content

2002-01-07 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 22:02, Ceki Gulcu wrote: --- Peter Donald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 21:33, Ceki Gulcu wrote: Peter, So are you proposing to become a log4j committer? Would there be a point to that? It depends on whether and how you want to contribute

Re: Cultural homogeneity

2002-01-06 Thread Peter Donald
On Sun, 6 Jan 2002 16:10, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I was leafing through my copy of A Pattern Language by Alexander, Ishikawa and Silverstein, which is really about architecture of human habitat (buildings and environs), and ran across some interesting assertions about society and groups.

Re: Cultural homogeneity

2002-01-06 Thread Peter Donald
On Mon, 7 Jan 2002 00:22, Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: On 1/6/02 8:06 AM, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I thought I would share, as my thinking about removing community containers here in Jakarta, XML et al resonates well this. Personally, I just think its

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