| As you are on the EG yourself, you know how hard it is to have one word
| removed from the next revision of the spec once it gets in :-)
|
| Just thinking out loud...
|
| Pier
When a culture of discussion comes into conflict with a culture of
bureaucracy, debate is not an optimal change
| Software history is replete with creation of new economic tiers. Even
| open-source has it's GPL, BSD and countless other camplets. If an
| existing organization can't serve multiple audiences, is there room and
| reason for a supplemental one?
|
|
| You mean is there room for the
Andy wrote:
| Apache has tools that provide quantitative feedback on the development
| process. Can any of these be adapted to provide quantitative feedback
| on the post-public spec development process, using historical (public) data?
|
|
| And what is the milestone? Creation of
Read today that Simon Phipps, James Gosling Bill Smith are
in an online discussion tomorrow morning, 0900-1030 PST with
QA from participants: http://sun.com/nettalk .
I've not registered for one of these before, can anyone comment
on the format of past events? Is it interactive, is there an
Craig M. wrote:
| Andy seems to believe that *implementing* a specification (as opposed to
| creating one) is not a valid itch to be scratched if he doesn't like the
| mechanism by which the specification is created. It's perfectly
| reasonable for Andy to decide that for the projects he gets
| It is straightforward to replace brand overloading with brand segmentation,
| including informal segmentation that is later formalized upon wide
| adoption.
|
|
| huh?
|
| Conor
Andy (or Craig or anyone) can fork the single Apache brand to differentiate
projects that are community or
I wrote:
| Andy (or Craig or anyone) can fork the single Apache brand to differentiate
| projects that are community or standards or foo -oriented. If the
| distinction turns out be predictive (of code quality or innovation or
| discussion
| quality or ...), then people will use the
Andy wrote:
| Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project
| and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a
| few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain
| decisions which will affect the project.
[** disclaimer: I
I wrote:
| Is the NDA under NDA? Or can someone post a copy?
Ok, there's no separate NDA, it's part of the standard agreements:
http://jcp.org/en/participation/membership
Follow-up questions:
1. Is there an Apache-specific, public archive of JCP discussion,
including the negotiation
Andy wrote:
| documented on the web page... And whats funny what tools do you use
| send to various mailing lists...well This is the tool.. thats it..
There's always:
You are the tool ... how will you be contributing today?
Student wiki or mailing list achieves same result. List
Re: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?t=10390294901r=1w=2
| Where are we the working class who makes it work in this process? Pawns
| in the game.
|
| -Andy
It may be motivating to remember that blog (from the colonies) is a candidate for the
empire's OED:
Those evaluating re-orgs should revisit Christopher Alexander's Pattern Language,
the inspiration for Gabriel's Patterns of Software and OO design patterns:
From
http://www.patternlanguage.com/leveltwo/patternsframegreen.htm?/leveltwo/../apl/twopanelnlb.htm
:
---
The language begins with
Berin wrote:
| Even when Quick and Dirty takes longer. I tried to convince my boss
that
| a certain customization required so many fundamental changes that it
would
| be quicker and easier to develop/maintain if we did it right. He told
me
| that he would never be able to convince the
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