| As you are on the EG yourself, you know how hard it is to have one word
| removed from the next revision of the spec once it gets in :-)
| Just thinking out loud...
When a culture of discussion comes into conflict with a culture of
bureaucracy, debate is not an optimal change
| Software history is replete with creation of new economic tiers. Even
| open-source has it's GPL, BSD and countless other camplets. If an
| existing organization can't serve multiple audiences, is there room and
| reason for a supplemental one?
| You mean is there room for the
| Apache has tools that provide quantitative feedback on the development
| process. Can any of these be adapted to provide quantitative feedback
| on the post-public spec development process, using historical (public) data?
| And what is the milestone? Creation of
Read today that Simon Phipps, James Gosling Bill Smith are
in an online discussion tomorrow morning, 0900-1030 PST with
QA from participants: http://sun.com/nettalk .
I've not registered for one of these before, can anyone comment
on the format of past events? Is it interactive, is there an
Craig M. wrote:
| Andy seems to believe that *implementing* a specification (as opposed to
| creating one) is not a valid itch to be scratched if he doesn't like the
| mechanism by which the specification is created. It's perfectly
| reasonable for Andy to decide that for the projects he gets
| It is straightforward to replace brand overloading with brand segmentation,
| including informal segmentation that is later formalized upon wide
Andy (or Craig or anyone) can fork the single Apache brand to differentiate
projects that are community or
| Andy (or Craig or anyone) can fork the single Apache brand to differentiate
| projects that are community or standards or foo -oriented. If the
| distinction turns out be predictive (of code quality or innovation or
| quality or ...), then people will use the
| Yeah, on second thought, its a great idea to remove choice in a project
| and instead submit it to a JSR committee and hence Suns conrol, take a
| few folks and put them on NDA so that they can't talk about certain
| decisions which will affect the project.
[** disclaimer: I
| Is the NDA under NDA? Or can someone post a copy?
Ok, there's no separate NDA, it's part of the standard agreements:
1. Is there an Apache-specific, public archive of JCP discussion,
including the negotiation
| documented on the web page... And whats funny what tools do you use
| send to various mailing lists...well This is the tool.. thats it..
You are the tool ... how will you be contributing today?
Student wiki or mailing list achieves same result. List
| Where are we the working class who makes it work in this process? Pawns
| in the game.
It may be motivating to remember that blog (from the colonies) is a candidate for the
Those evaluating re-orgs should revisit Christopher Alexander's Pattern Language,
the inspiration for Gabriel's Patterns of Software and OO design patterns:
The language begins with
| Even when Quick and Dirty takes longer. I tried to convince my boss
| a certain customization required so many fundamental changes that it
| be quicker and easier to develop/maintain if we did it right. He told
| that he would never be able to convince the
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