RE: Jakarta Support provider

2004-12-02 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
We can't impose a requirement on Covalent to tame down their site, can
we? ;)  But for our vendor page, it makes sense, especially as we can't
show any form of preference.  Just like it makes sense to add them to
the page in the first place ;)

For Tomcat, we like to use the full Apache Jakarta Tomcat name even
though it's more verbose.  We went through a discussion on this matter
recently, having seen dissatisfaction in the ranks that some
high-profile places (java.sun.com, JBoss.com) didn't always make it
clear who owns Tomcat.

(Full disclosure on this post: I consult for Covalent on a limited
basis)

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com


-Original Message-
From: Dain Sundstrom [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, December 02, 2004 12:33 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Jakarta Support provider

Are you going to tame down your website also?

-dain

On Dec 1, 2004, at 5:55 PM, Mark Brewer wrote:

 OK.  Clearly we would tame it down if you'd like.  That's our
 marketing
 blurb from our website.

 Let us know.
 Thanks - Mark

 -Original Message-
 From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:50 PM
 To: Jakarta General List
 Cc: Mark Brewer; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: RE: Jakarta Support provider


 I don't know how much vetting we do, but despite the fact that this
is
 a
 vendor page, I believe that a lot of people would complain about the
 phrase [Covalent is] the only source of full commercial support for
 Apache  Tomcat.

 Now that the ASF has established the PRC, perhaps it is time we
turned
 control over such vendor pages to the PRC to make sure that a message
 consistent with the ASF's neutrality is preserved.

  --- Noel

 -Original Message-
 From: Mark Brewer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 19:48
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Jakarta Support provider


 To whom it concerns,

 Covalent Technologies would like to be added to Developer Support
 section of this page on the Jakarta site:
 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/vendors.html

 Below is the info you've requested.

 Website: www.covalent.net http://www.covalent.net
 Description: Covalent is the leader in products and services for
Apache
  Tomcat, the world's leading Web server, and the only source of full
 commercial support for Apache  Tomcat.   Covalent has assembled the
 deepest talent pool of Apache experts in the industry. Through
 Covalent's products and services, Apache/Tomcat users receive all the
 flexibility and benefits of open source, with the support and
 reliability of a commercial enterprise fully dedicated to those open
 source technologies.
 Location:  Worldwide
 Contact: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Let us know if there is anything further you require.

 Thanks,

 Mark Brewer
 925.974.8800 x5


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RE: Mail list page

2004-12-02 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Thanks -- the consistency and reliance on an internal resource rather
than an external one are good things.

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com


-Original Message-
From: Henri Yandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2004 5:58 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Mail list page


Changes made. All point to Eyebrowse now, and I've reduced the info on
promoted projects prior to creating a smaller section on What if you
can't find the mail list you want? which would list all promoted
components.

Hen

On Wed, 1 Dec 2004, Henri Yandell wrote:


 Gets my vote. Eye-browse has seemed a lot better recently.

 Hen

 On Thu, 2 Dec 2004, Shinobu Kawai wrote:

 Hi Henri,

 When are we going to remove projects which have been promoted from
 Jakarta, from the mail list page? Anyone mind if I do it now?

 While it's on the topic, are there any plans to change the archive
 links to eyebrowse instead of mail-archive.com?  At least for
 velocity-user, you can't view messages just a couple of whiles ago.
 :(

 Best regards,
 -- Shinobu Kawai

 --
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RE: Jakarta Support provider

2004-12-02 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

Cool. These things are usually misunderstandings between marketing
depts
eager to look good and our organisation's legal needs etc. Are you able
to
talk privately with someone there at all?

Yeah, I can.  They're very accommodating, understanding, and
enthusiastic about the ASF, its processes, and its people.  I don't
think there'll be any problem...

Yoav



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RE: Mail list page

2004-12-01 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hola,

The watchdog-dev mail list appears to be gone (which makes sense). Is
there a list left for Watchdog, should its entry direct people to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Watchdog-dev is gone.  Watchdog-user is still around, but with no
moderation and minimal to no activity.  It's time to direct people to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think, following our discussion along these lines from
about six months ago
(http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=jakarta-generalm=108659921622873w=2).

If anything, Watchdog is more dead now than it was six months ago,
because its only user at that time (Tomcat) is no longer a user.  And
I'd like to not have to monitor watchdog-user anymore, although if Danny
wants to stay no top of it of course he's welcome to ;)

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com




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RE: Tomcat automatically serializes session on shutdown and startup on Unix

2004-11-29 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
This is the wrong list: try again on tomcat-user.

Tomcat's startup/shutdown sequences are the same on windows and HP-UX if
you're running from the command line (which is the only option on unix).
If you're running as a Windows Service, it's a bit different, but
serialization configuration is the same.

Please don't reply to the above here: do so on tomcat-user, where others
can help you as well.

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com


-Original Message-
From: Seow, Pek Lee [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, November 26, 2004 11:33 AM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Tomcat automatically serializes session on shutdown and
startup on
Unix

Hi there,

I am running in to known java.io.NotSerializableException issue when
Tomcat
(4.1.27) shutdown or startup.

The strange thing is that I do not get this error when running the
application on Tomcat/Windows but seem to be encountering the problem
in
Tomcat/HP-UX 11i.  Does the Tomcat shutdown or startup differently in
Windows vs. Unix? Is the Standard Manager enabled by default? To
workaround
that, I basically have to set the Manager component to have
pathname=null
and saveOnRestart=false in server.xml.

Could anyone explain the reason I am seeing two different behaviours?

LOG:
   2004-11-25 12:49:08 StandardManager[/dcm] IOException
while
loading persisted sessions: java.io.WriteAbortedEx
   ception: writing aborted;
java.io.NotSerializableException:
com.documentum.web.form.FormHistory
   java.io.WriteAbortedException: writing aborted;
java.io.NotSerializableException: com.documentum.web.form.Form
   History
   at
java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(ObjectInputStream.java:1278)
   at
java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(ObjectInputStream.java:324)
   at
java.util.HashMap.readObject(HashMap.java:986)
   at
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke0(Native Method)
   at
sun.reflect.NativeMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(NativeMethodAccessorImpl.ja
va:3
9
)
   at
sun.reflect.DelegatingMethodAccessorImpl.invoke(DelegatingMethodAccesso
rImp
l
.java:25)
   at
java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Method.java:324)
   at
java.io.ObjectStreamClass.invokeReadObject(ObjectStreamClass.java:824)
   at
java.io.ObjectInputStream.readSerialData(ObjectInputStream.java:1746)
   at
java.io.ObjectInputStream.readOrdinaryObject(ObjectInputStream.java:164
6)
   at
java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject0(ObjectInputStream.java:1274)
   at
java.io.ObjectInputStream.readObject(ObjectInputStream.java:324)
   at
org.apache.catalina.session.StandardSession.readObject(StandardSession.
java
:
1369)
   at
org.apache.catalina.session.StandardSession.readObjectData(StandardSess
ion.
j
ava:864)
   at
org.apache.catalina.session.StandardManager.load(StandardManager.java:4
40)
   at
org.apache.catalina.session.StandardManager.start(StandardManager.java:
655)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardContext.start(StandardContext.java:357
1)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChildInternal(ContainerBase.j
ava:
8
21)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.addChild(ContainerBase.java:807)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.addChild(StandardHost.java:579)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHostDeployer.install(StandardHostDeplo
yer.
j
ava:307)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.install(StandardHost.java:772)
   at
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployDirectories(HostConfig.jav
a:55
9
)
   at
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.deployApps(HostConfig.java:401)
   at
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.start(HostConfig.java:718)
   at
org.apache.catalina.startup.HostConfig.lifecycleEvent(HostConfig.java:3
58)
   at
org.apache.catalina.util.LifecycleSupport.fireLifecycleEvent(LifecycleS
uppo
r
t.java:166)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.start(ContainerBase.java:1196)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardHost.start(StandardHost.java:738)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.ContainerBase.start(ContainerBase.java:1188)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardEngine.start(StandardEngine.java:347)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardService.start(StandardService.java:497
)
   at
org.apache.catalina.core.StandardServer.start(StandardServer.java:2190)
   at
org.apache.catalina.startup.Catalina.start(Catalina.java:512)
   

RE: Broken link on Jakarta website

2004-11-23 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Site updated -- thanks for letting us know.  Out of curiosity, how did
you get to this page?  Most pages link to the mail2.html page...

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com


-Original Message-
From: Ushakov, Sergey N [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, November 21, 2004 9:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Broken link on Jakarta website

Hi, I am sorry to report that the link to
http://www.metronet.com/~wjm/tomcat/ on page
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html is broken - it is redirected
to
http://www.metronet.com/ .

Hope this is the right place for such a report.

Regards,
Sergey

PS Please cc me if replying - I'm not subscribed to the list.



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RE: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects

2004-10-18 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

simple out of box ).  As a solution - I started on an Ant rpm task
that would just create the rpm file from the distribution files,
without
using a .spec and all the special steps ( just like the windows
installer does ).

That sounds like a good approach.  If you or someone else would do this
after I post the other distros for a given release, we'd be all set.
You wouldn't have to do it on a Windows computer etc.

Yoav




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[ANN] Apache Jakarta Tomcat 5.5.3 now Beta

2004-10-18 Thread Shapira, Yoav

The Apache Jakarta Tomcat team is proud to announce that after prolonged
testing internally and externally, the 5.5.3 release is now labeled a
Beta release.  That means it's more stable and mature than previous
Alpha releases on the Tomcat 5.5 branch, and we encourage more users to
download and test it.

Please note that it is not yet a stable release.  We expect that with
the wider testing given betas, additional issues will be discovered.
These will be addressed in the coming 5.5 builds and hopefully we will
have a stable release soon.

The changelog, release notes, download locations, and other
documentation is the same as for the original 5.5.3 release
announcement:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news/news-2004-2ndHalf.html#20041006.1

Yoav Shapira http://www.yoavshapira.com





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RE: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects

2004-10-12 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi,

The folks at JPackage.org already track several Jakarta projects and
issue RPMs for them: for example, they've been doing this with Tomcat
for a long time.  We appreciate their work.  We've spoken on the
tomcat-dev list about issuing our own RPMs, and I think it was Costin
(Manolache) who was very interested and knowledgable in this area, so he
might be a good person to ask if you're interested in more Jakarta/RPM
work.



I know the above is off-topic for this thread, but since the thread is
dying anyways (the OP was a classic I'll send a clueless rant and
disappear type), and this is relevant (and of increasing concern as
various linux flavors gain popularity not just in our community, but on
our users' desktops).



Yoav





-Original Message-

From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Sent: Monday, October 11, 2004 10:42 AM

To: Jakarta General List

Subject: RE: Jakarta - A study in self defeating projects



Henri Gomez wrote:

 If some people found hard to install and glue jakarta software (not

 products) together they should consider JPackage.org ready to use

 RPMS. This Linux project make a cross distribution coherent Java

 distribution, which is now used by Mandrake, Suse and Redhat.



If you can think of some way of validating the contents of the RPMs
(e.g.,

if they were part of the release testing process and signed by an ASF

release manager), maybe we could do something with jpackage.org.  Or
add

the

RPMs to our dist/ tree.



 --- Noel





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RE: CVS-SVN Was: SVN of ECS

2004-09-28 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Having lurked on this discussion so far, I have one question at this
point.  I've seen /jakarta/tomcat referenced.  If you look at CVS,
there's no such thing.  Instead, there are several CVS modules for
tomcat: jakarta-tomcat-5, jakarta-tomcat-4, jakarta-tomcat-catalina,
jakarta-tomcat-connectors, jakarta-tomcat-jasper,
jakarta-servletapi-5(*), etc.  Under SVN, would these become
/jakarta/tomcat/catalina or /jakarta/tomcat-catalina ?

(*) = The Servlet API could be its own project, e.g.
/jakarta/servlet-api, and does not have to be under the Tomcat tree.

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Henning Schmiedehausen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2004 4:18 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: RE: CVS-SVN Was: SVN of ECS

Hi,

ok. So this means, once we get e.g. /jakarta/turbine, we could
set the repository structure below it just as we see it fit?

We (Turbine) currently have (for history reasons) a lot of CVS
repositories and consolidating them is a real pet peeve for me. ;-)

   Regards
   Henning

On Mon, 2004-09-27 at 18:47, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
   If I'm not wrong (and I could be) we should just have
/jakarta/tomcat
   /jakarta/velocity
   /jakarta/

 Correct.  https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/jakarta/sub/{ttb}.  I
suggest
 that tags be used instead of releases, since (a) it is a known
convention,
 and (b) you may have tags other than releases.

  I'd -1 that. Every single commit to a Jakarta project would
  increase the global revision number.

 Ignore it.  It is not a per-project revision indictor, and there is
no
 intent to have more than one public SVN repository for the ASF.
Every
 commit to every ASF project will increase the GBN.

 SVN repositories are not cheap to setup and maintain when you take
into
 account other behind-the-scenes issues, including access control,
hooks,
 backup, et cetera.  It is quite easy to do access control with a
single
 Subversion repository.  And it is trivial to handle project promotion
or
 migration since we simply do an `svn move` operation.

 In any event, this isn't a Jakarta issue.  If you want to debate the
merits,
 that would be on [EMAIL PROTECTED]

  --- Noel


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[ANN] Apache Jakarta Tomcat 5.5.2-alpha Released

2004-09-15 Thread Shapira, Yoav

The Apache Jakarta Tomcat team is proud to announce the immediate
availability of Tomcat 5.5.2-alpha. This build of the new 5.5 branch
addresses several minor issues raised by early testers on the mailing
list, and contains other fixes to ensure all the Tomcat unit tests pass
as they did in the 5.0 branch. While this build is tentatively rated as
alpha a formal stability vote will take place next week on the
tomcat-dev mailing list.

Release notes:
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.5-doc/RELEASE-NOTES

Please refer to the change log for the list of changes:
http://jakarta.apache.org/tomcat/tomcat-5.5-doc/changelog.html

Downloads: Binaries: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/binindex.cgi
Sources: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/sourceindex.cgi

The Apache Jakarta Tomcat Team



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[Watchdog] Notice: Tomcat no longer uses Watchdog

2004-09-14 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
This is just an FYI, no action required.

With the Tomcat 5.5 branch, Tomcat no longer uses Watchdog.  We rely on
Tomcat's internal tester and the official Sun TCKs, which are run for
every Tomcat release.  The Tomcat dependency on Watchdog was a reason
for keeping Watchdog around.

The other reasons for keeping Watchdog around but in a dormant state are
still valid, so I'm not arguing anything should be changed.  I just
wanted to let everyone know for the record that the Tomcat-Watchdog
dependency doesn't exist anymore.

Thanks,

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics





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RE: Vendor support change

2004-09-13 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Done, site updated.

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Jose Gonzalez Gomez [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:21 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Vendor support change


Hello,

We had to change our name due to trade mark issues, Could you please
post the changes? You may find them attached to the current mail.

Thanks in advance

Dirk Verbeeck wrote:

 Patch applied, site updated.

 Cheers
 Dirk

 Jose González Gómez wrote:


 Hello,

 Could you please include my company in the list provided in the
 Third-Party  Support for Jakarta Products page? I include the patch
 file for such a change. I'm not subscribed to this list, so please
 could you email me directly in case of any problem?

 Thanks in advance,
 --
 
 Jose González Gómez
 Software Architect +34 635 575 994
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 http://www.opentechnet.com





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RE: FYI: Author tags

2004-09-13 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
I'm sure Ceki will appreciate this... ;)

Sigh... And it's only Monday ;)

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Craig McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 12:39 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: FYI: Author tags

Recently, a new twist on @author tags came up, from a direction I
never would have expected.  It seems that the JDK 1.5 compiler whines
when you have non-ISO-8859-1 characters in Javadoc comments in your
source files.  Someone was kind enough to run a compile of a bunch of
open source projects with 1.5, to help identify projects that have
such sources.

It turns out that commons-beanutils has a few such occurrences --
because of non-ASCII characters in the authors's names in the @author
tags.

Guess we need to tell such people to change their names if they want
to be an @author :-).

Craig McClanahan



On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 12:48:33 -0400 (EDT), Henri Yandell
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Many will remember the discussion on whether the ASF should
discourage,
 ban or allow @author tags. I'm not sure that the end result was
reported
 out to the whole community, so going ahead and doing so now.
Apologies if
 a repeat.

 The boards statement (via Sam) is that:

Sam: The choice of @authors or not is a PMC level decision. 

 Many do think that @author tags are not useful, but we're free to do
what
 we want.

 My opinion:
If we ever get subprojects where things are getting childish over
 @author tags and recognition for fixing newlines or removing unused
 imports (made up examples), then we should just take the easy way out
on
 that subproject and remove the @author tags. Otherwise, we continue
as
 normal.

 Hen

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RE: [VOTE] Updating PMC bylaws

2004-08-10 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

Suggested new bylaws are at:

http://www.osjava.org/~hen/jakarta/management.html

The aim is to identify the current reality, rather than plan out a new
set
of bylaws. I believe I've responded to the past week of comments,
sometimes by dropping things from the text as they require discussion
(ie: active/inactive projects).

Voting rules are that we need at least 3 +1 _PMC votes_, and a 3/4
majority of +1's to -1's. I'll announce results next Tuesday.

===
[ X ] +1 - let's do it
[ ] -1 - not good
===

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RE: Updating the PMC bylaws

2004-08-06 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

It does have 3 committers on the PMC. Whether they are active or not,
I'm
unsure, might only be 2. It's planned to merge with Regexp and maybe
into
Commons over time though, so there's definitely a tendency towards
larger
oversight.

Something like ECS is more likely to be a problem I think. It's not
actually an active community (as far as I can tell) so pretty unlikely
to
have strong oversight. It still has 3 committers on the PMC, they just
might not be very active there (or even listening to the list).

Yeah, we should consider what to do about dormant projects.  We've
established we don't want to kill them, and we want to keep the option
of project revival.  That's good.  But those projects won't have 3
active committers.  Watchdog and ECS are good examples.

(On a side note, for a long time now I've thought ORO and RegExp should
merge, and maybe the combined one should further merge with lang.  After
all, JDK 1.4 which is approaching 2 years old has this regexp
functionality).

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RE: Where is Cloudscape?

2004-08-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
It should show up at http://incubator.apache.org/projects/index.html
within a few weeks.

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


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Hm... wanted to check this code out of CVS but can't find it :-/

Maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit... I can be patient ;)

http://infoworld.com/article/04/08/03/HNclouscape_1.html

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RE: Where is Cloudscape?

2004-08-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
I'm pretty sure it would go through the incubator first, though,
wouldn't it?

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


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From: Avik Sengupta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 05, 2004 11:41 AM
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Subject: Re: Where is Cloudscape?

It'll be part of the DB project, AFAIK. And will probably take a while
to land in CVS.

On Wed, 2004-08-04 at 12:03, Kevin A. Burton wrote:
 Hm... wanted to check this code out of CVS but can't find it :-/

 Maybe I'm jumping the gun a bit... I can be patient ;)

 http://infoworld.com/article/04/08/03/HNclouscape_1.html

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RE: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/binindex.xml

2004-07-26 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
You might just want to start a separate thread as not everyone is
watching this one ;)  Put karma request in the subject line and the
right folks will notice...

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: jean-frederic clere [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 11:25 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/binindex.xml

Shapira, Yoav wrote:
 Hi,
 Committed patch with your comments.  Updated jakarta site.  Verified
new
 Daemon links.  (Note that mirrors will take a few hours to sync).

 You can ask for jakarta-site2 karma, you will get it without a
problem
 and no vote is required for existing Jakarta committers.

Sounds good: Could I get karma for jakarta-site2?


 Yoav Shapira
 Millennium Research Informatics



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From: jean-frederic clere
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Sent: Monday, July 26, 2004 10:59 AM
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Subject: [PATCH] jakarta-site2/xdocs/site/binindex.xml

Hi,

I have tried to commit a correction to binindex.xml but I have got
the
following
errror message:
+++
cvs server: Pre-commit check failed
cvs [server aborted]: correct above errors first!
cvs commit: saving log message in /tmp/cvs7XO3S6
+++

Could someone commit the changes with the following comments:
+++
Oops... After getting a question I have noted I had forgotten to
update this  file and the user are using a very old ALPHA version of
daemon instead the RELEASED one.
+++

Cheers

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RE: Adding project version to bugzilla

2004-07-22 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
OK, thank you ;)

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Martin Cooper [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 2:32 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Adding project version to bugzilla



On Wed, 21 Jul 2004, Shapira, Yoav wrote:

 Hi,
 Please remind me what I need to do / whom I need to ask that a new
 version (e.g. 5.0.26 and 5.0.27 for tomcat) be added to the list in
 Bugzilla's Version field?

Asking here is fine. I've added 5.0.26 and 5.0.27 for Tomcat 5.

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RE: Adding project version to bugzilla

2004-07-22 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi,
I'll ask infrastructures.  Since I'll be putting out Tomcat releases and
some Commons ones for the foreseeable future, I shouldn't have to bother
other people ;)  Thanks,
Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Stefan Bodewig [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 9:53 AM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: Adding project version to bugzilla

On Thu, 22 Jul 2004, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Any idea who the people with access to do this are Martin? Within
 Jakarta anyway?

I'm sure that there are a few more of us who can (me for example).
Pier granted karma to me about four years ago.  I think most people
who've been release managers for a project like Craig or Remy have
the right to add versions or maybe even new projects.

The only thing I can't do is changing user information IIUC, and that
would be required to grant Yoav the right to add new versions himself
- which he should have IMHO.

Ask infrastructure?

Stefan

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Adding project version to bugzilla

2004-07-21 Thread Shapira, Yoav
Hi,
Please remind me what I need to do / whom I need to ask that a new
version (e.g. 5.0.26 and 5.0.27 for tomcat) be added to the list in
Bugzilla's Version field?  Thanks,

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics



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RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Well, Watchdog might be dead as far as development, but we still use it
to test tomcat as part of the tomcat release process.  So let me discuss
with fellow tomcat developers, and please don't start a process for
burying watchdog yet.  Thanks,

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Tim O'Brien [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 11:21 AM
To: 'Jakarta General List'
Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

If watchdog is dead, we should move it to the Graveyard.

Noel, you are the incubator guy, any ideas about starting this process
-
what is involved, any previous threads on the subject.

Tim


 -Original Message-
 From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, May 29, 2004 2:12 PM
 To: Jakarta General List
 Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

 Yoav,

  no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

 I don't know the answer to the project status, but I can
 confirm that there is no such mailing list currently
 existent.  I don't know when it disappeared, other than the
 fact that it stopped archiving back in Nov 2002, but entire
 mailing lists structures don't disappear by accident.

  --- Noel


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RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
I agree with one Noel, Henri, and Danny have said.

For interest's sake, let me explain what's been happening with Watchdog,
as I think it's a useful example for other graveyard or end-of-life
scenarios.

We use Watchdog as part of the tomcat release process.  When Ant 1.6 was
released and the launcher class split from ant.jar into
ant-launcher.jar, the watchdog run in ant 1.6 was broken.  It works fine
in Ant 1.5 and earlier, but we want to use Ant 1.6 to build tomcat.  So
the workaround now is a manual process whereby the person building
tomcat has to copy ant-launcher.jar into the lib directory of watchdog.
A tiny change to the Watchdog build.xml would fix this, and I've
submitted a Bugzilla enhancement request with the patch.  But there's no
one to act on my request, leaving us in a situation where we either use
an older ant or do the manual copy (or hack the tomcat build file in an
ugly way to accommodate watchdog's build problems).

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Danny Angus [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 12:01 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?






 First of all, I'm curious to know what you think incubation has to do
with
 dormant projects.

It's the opposite.

 Secondly, I'm not one who favors closing an open source project.
Ever.
I
 didn't really agree with closing java.apache.org.  Although I do
agree
with
 closing that domain, in retrospect, I'd have moved the content to
Jakarta.
 In my view, dormant projects should have their scm resources left in
place,
 and can have their mailing addresses reflected to a communal list,
such
as
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or community@, although I a separate
address
 might be better).

I think you're right, remember that we do need to have someone
somewhere
answerable to the board and with oversight over any project which has
public resources, whether it is active, maintenance only or unsupported
end-of-life.

To that end a dis-incubator seemed like a good idea around the time the
apache incubator was formed.

It would have a lot less to do, probably little more than list
moderation,
but it would give people the comfort feel that someone somewhere would
be
alerted to potential issues with projects which no longer have or
need a
community. If enough interest is shown in a retired project it can be
re-vitalised by a visit to the incubator..

FWIW I would be happy to volunteer my time for this.

d.





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RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
OK, then let me propose this:

- We give Danny Angus and myself karma for Watchdog.  There are no
active committers to nominate us.
- Either one of us will place a notice of dormancy (text TBD) on the
front page for Watchdog
- I will fix the build script so that Tomcat builds can be automated in
this regards

We still need to take care of the mailing lists.  I see two options:
- We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect
them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
- We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the
Watchdog site, and indicate in our notice of dormancy that questions
about watchdog should be submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

A Tomcat TLP is a future possibility, and we may wish to consider the
Watchdog status at that time, but that's not the question at this time,
and we all have enough to do as it is ;)

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Noel J. Bergman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 04, 2004 1:27 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

 we do need to have someone somewhere answerable to the board and with
 oversight over any project which has public resources, whether it is
 active, maintenance only or unsupported end-of-life.

Yes.  But I don't think that we need a separate TLP for it.  I would
leave
the project in the community that last hosted the now dormant project.

 If enough interest is shown in a retired project it can be
re-vitalised
 by a visit to the incubator.

If there is enough interest, it can be revived.  There is no need for
it to
go to the Incubator at all.

 FWIW I would be happy to volunteer my time for this.

Cool.  :-)

   --- Noel


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RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

 We still need to take care of the mailing lists.  I see two options:
 - We revive the watchdog-dev/watchdog-user mailing lists and redirect
 them somewhere like [EMAIL PROTECTED], or
 - We just leave them dead, take off the subscription links on the
 Watchdog site, and indicate in our notice of dormancy that questions
 about watchdog should be submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Why not just monitor them?

There's nothing to monitor: the lists are dead.  Emails to
watchdog-dev-subscribe/unsubscribe come back with an address not found
type error.  And yet those are the addresses linked on the watchdog
site.  So we actually have broken and misleading information there ;)

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RE: [Watchdog] Dead?

2004-06-04 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

 There's nothing to monitor: the lists are dead.  Emails to
 watchdog-dev-subscribe/unsubscribe come back with an address not
found
 type error.  And yet those are the addresses linked on the watchdog
 site.  So we actually have broken and misleading information there ;)

(!)

So why don't we just fix them?

The lists were not removed accidentally, so I assume the developers at
that time had some rationale.  Beyond that, I'm assuming the activity
level on these lists would be so low that redirecting them to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] is fine.  If my assumption is proven wrong we can
recreate/revive the lists and update the watchdog web site accordingly.

Yoav



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RE: Photoshop for the Apache Logo

2004-06-02 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hola,
http://www.apache.org/images/ looks like it...  If you're looking for a
CVS location, I'm not sure and don't feel like searching, but it's
probably in there somewhere under apsite maybe.

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


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From: Howard M. Lewis Ship [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2004 11:43 AM
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Subject: Photoshop for the Apache Logo

Does anyone know where the (presumably) Photoshop files are for the
Apache
logo (with the feather)?

--
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[Watchdog] Dead?

2004-05-26 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
I just tried to subscribe to the watchdog mailing list in order to
notify the developers of a bug I submitted against Watchdog.  But I got
a no such mailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED] error
response from the mail server.  What's the status of Watchdog?

Yoav Shapira
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RE: Struts mailing lists

2004-04-01 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

I assume the website is about to be updated with this information? I
tried
to email [EMAIL PROTECTED], but typically, heh, the
recipients
mail server was down or unreachable ([EMAIL PROTECTED]).

Send a note to the struts-dev list, they're responsible for updating
their own website.  Don't rely on the webmaster@ address ;)

Yoav Shapira



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RE: Are wiki pages backed up?

2004-03-26 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

nope. Manually, every now and then. How lame is that, huh? Need to
install a cronjob. Forgot about it several times now. Can someone
please
add an entry to jira?

Done: http://nagoya.apache.org/jira/secure/ViewIssue.jspa?key=INFRA-46.

Thanks,

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Are wiki pages backed up?

2004-03-25 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Are our wiki pages (either old UseMod or new MoinMoin) backed up
regularly?  Or maybe backed up somewhere like CVS?  Is there something
we can do if someone maliciously edits a page and removes all content?

I apologize if I should know all this, or if this is the wrong list.  I
did search the various MoinMoin FAQs at wiki.apache.org, migration
guide, etc, and saw no mention of backups.  But maybe it's such an
obvious yes that no one saw the need to document it ;)  I just want to
confirm.  Thanks,

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RE: Jakarta embracing the JCP?

2004-03-19 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Your English is great, don't let that stop you from expressing your opinions ;)

Yoav Shapira
Millennium Research Informatics


-Original Message-
From: Paulo Simao [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 3:29 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Jakarta embracing the JCP?

In my opinion, JCP and ASF should keep working just as they are.
JCP has a more conceptual work, defining patterns and standards, while ASF
has a more hands on to implement JSRS.

It is the biz of JCP define what ASF is to do, while is about ASF know HOW
to do it.
Sun needs to keep some order in Java comunity, and that´s why JCP exists
under her flag. ASF, in contrast is completely free, having no Boss, but
ourselves.

Naturally, ASF´s process is much ligther in terms of burocracy focusing in
real world implementation of some spec defined. (specs are aways
specs...hard to define, hard to rollback, better, no rollback, just a
deprecated javadoc tag.  Have you seen a refactoring in a JSR before? :-) )

things are working this way, and I think they should be kept this way.

Sorry if this hurted someone, but my english is not so rich as I wished, to
express my ideas.

regards,
Paulo.

From: Noel J. Bergman [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Jakarta embracing the JCP?
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:44:32 -0500

  How about if Jakarta [or Apache-Java as a whole] embraced the latest
JCP
  process?

In what way?  Can you be specific?  As I understand the JCP, what you are
asking makes little sense.

We don't have spec leads, nor do we want them.  We don't have ownership
of
a project/specification.  Everything here is communal and consensual.
That
is not true of the JCP.  Actually, I would prefer to see the JCP continue
to
evolve to become more like the ASF.

  What I'm largely interested in are the reasons why not, as these would
be
  perfect reasons why something like groovy, or ant or httpclient, should
  not become jsr's.

A JSR is a specification.  It should have a TCK and an RI, but at heart it
is a specification.  Some people have talked about proposing the Apache
Repository Specification, which I understand Maven will evolve to use, as
a
JSR.  If that happened, I'd prefer to see us run a JCP Expert Group more
in
line with an ASF project, not run ASF projects like an JCP Expert Group.

Geir?  Your thoughts?

  --- Noel


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People's apache.org web pages

2004-03-11 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,
Does anyone else think it's kind of funny that most of our apache.org
web pages (http://www.apache.org/~coar/people.html) look like the first
homework assignment from a 9th grade Introduction to the Internet
class?  I think it's hilarious.

Something to lighten the mood during these license fallout discussions
;)


Yoav Shapira
Millennium ChemInformatics





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RE: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

Hi Folks,
I have a small piece of code called Esperanto,  and I´d like to make a JMS
free impl of this. It already delivers Objects in broadcast over some
methods, and I think it could become JMS compliant with a small effort.

It is small and light to use, and have connectors for the following
delivering methods:
Memory
DashBoard( Using FileSystem)
UDP(Multicasting)
TCP(Directly, connctionfull).

My question is , does ASF already have a JMS impl? I think it could help
Geronimo Project.
If it does not, anyone here could help me writting a request for that
project?.
thankz

I'm not sure what Geronimo is doing with respect to JMS implementation.  But here in 
Jakarta we have commons-messenger 
(http://jakarta.apache.org/commons/sandbox/messenger/) which is still in the sandbox.  
I haven't seen much discussion on this project lately, so maybe it needs to be 
revived.  I'm sure its developers would appreciate some feedback/help/code, and maybe 
we can make a release and a commons-proper component out of it in short order.

There's also a taglib (http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs/doc/jmstags-doc/intro.html) 
that runs on top of Messenger.

Personally, for a free JMS impl I've been using OpenJMS 
(http://openjms.sourceforge.net/) for a long time, in fairly big production systems 
(multiple messages per second, months and months of uptime without restart), and I 
love it.  It's definitely in active development as well.

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RE: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

I saw this one too, but it doesn´t have the ASF seal...People in Brasil see
ASF as a very serious quality mark. Soon (In the next 6 months) I´m sure I
will need a JMS impl, and if it is signed by Apache, it would make my life
a lot easier...

Please quote a bit of what you're replying too, so we can keep the context of your 
response ;)

You should post a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with [Messenger] in the subject line, 
asking what is the status of Messenger.  Take a look at Messenger's code to see if it 
has everything you're looking for.  If not, see how you can merge your code with 
messenger, maybe?

Yoav Shapira



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RE: JMS free Impl

2004-03-05 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

Are they the same product Yoav?

Messenger is a tool to make client JMS easier[i think], while the
original
poster [you deleted the author's name *teasing*] seems to have a JMS
server.

;)  I thought Messenger's Messagelet Engine is a server of sorts?  I may
have misread this: Messenger also provides a Messagelet Engine which is
a JMS based container that can be deployed in any Servlet Engine to
process JMS messages via MessageListeners, Message Driven Objects,
Servlets or JSP.

If Messenger is only a client, you can obviously ignore large chunks of
what I said previously ;)  I realize Paolo's is a server (work in
progress), and that he wants an ASF-branded JMS server implementation.

Yoav Shapira




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RE: [VOTE] HiveMind as a Jakarta sub-project

2004-03-03 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

[ X ] +1  I support this proposal
[ ] -1  I don't support this proposal
[ ]  0  I abstain from voting for or against this proposal

Yoav Shapira



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RE: boilerplate LICENSE text in different formats was: questions license for site documents

2004-03-02 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Hi,

I have started a wiki page  at
http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/LicenseFormats  for boilerplate text
in
different formats.

Cool and useful -- thanks ;)

Yoav Shapira



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RE: The Name Jakarta

2004-01-28 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Howdy,
I was going to put this in the tomcat FAQ until I noticed it was in the
wikipedia ;)  An interesting web page:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_computer_term_etymologies

Yoav Shapira
Millennium ChemInformatics


-Original Message-
From: Craig R. McClanahan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:45 PM
To: Jakarta General List
Subject: Re: The Name Jakarta

Quoting Uncle Roastie [EMAIL PROTECTED]:


 Why/how was the name Jakarta choosen?

 Thanks,
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

It was the name of the conference room at Sun where a large number of
the
discussions about the original formation of the project, as well as the
contribution of Tomcat from Sun to Apache, took place.  I guess the
name
sort
of stuck.

Craig McClanahan



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License 2.0 URI inclusion

2004-01-28 Thread Shapira, Yoav

Howdy,
I'm reading the license information page
(http://www.apache.org/licenses/proposed/) and I was glad to see the
license can be included as a reference URI instead of the full text
(section 8 on the above page).  My questions are:

- Is there a preference/reason to pick the TXT over the HTML version?

- http://www.apache.org/licenses/LICENSE-2.0 is OK for license 2.0.  But
it'd be nice if /licenses/LICENSE was symlinked to the current version,
so that when ASF license 2.1 or 3.0 comes out we don't have to update
all our source code.  Is there such a symlink (the current
/licenses/LICENSE is for 1.1)?

- I've looked at the example NOTICE file
(http://www.apache.org/licenses/example-NOTICE.txt).  Since it's an
HTTPD example, it has those paragraphs about NCSA, etc.  If I'm writing
the NOTICE file for a jakarta project that depends on other jakarta
projects only, do I need to include them in the NOTICE file?

Finally, is this the right place to ask/discuss this?  Or do I need to
subscribe to yet another mailing list, this time [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks,

Yoav Shapira



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