Cocoon GetTogether 2004 (11-12/Oct) open for registration

2004-09-07 Thread Steven Noels
at http://www.orixo.com/events/gt2004/ Further information enquiries can be sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers, /Steven, Orixo GT organizing puppet -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog

Re: Scalability and oversight (Was: Just in case you're curious)

2003-12-28 Thread Steven Noels
/obidos/ASIN/0061015725/), it's funny to try and invent some parallels between open source software communities and the agent swarms outlined in his novel. Freaky. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java XMLAn Orixo

Re: karma for jakarta-site

2003-10-21 Thread Steven Noels
that they know what is happening. In good faith, I added you to the avail file, so you should be all set. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source Java XMLAn Orixo Member Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org

Re: Another installment of the Jakarta bad imports page is out...

2003-08-01 Thread Steven Noels
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Re: Vote for XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-07 Thread Steven Noels
Piccolo issue is resolved, it seems like we're heading somewhere. Attracting new committers is easier when the project is already under incubation. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my

Re: Issues with XMLBeans proposal

2003-07-04 Thread Steven Noels
everything to Apache. Presumably in that time they are also getting used to Apache and can develop an understanding of where they feel their project fits best. Not jumping to any conclusion, I'm very happy to see a positive and constructive discussion happening. Thanks, all. /Steven -- Steven Noels

Re: The vendors page

2003-07-02 Thread Steven Noels
well. Suggestion: move this page away from the Jakarta main site, and stimulate subprojects to host their own vendor pages. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp

Re: Sun copies Jakarta?

2003-06-10 Thread Steven Noels
On 10/06/2003 9:48 Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: or MS (http://www.gotdotnet.com/community/workspaces/directory.aspx)? Or Sourceforge? Savannah? Diversity is what keeps Darwin's sledgehammer away, IMHO. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open

Re: Sun copies Jakarta?

2003-06-10 Thread Steven Noels
also be expected over there, which is good since they won't come knock on our doors then. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn

Re: Sun

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Noels
feodal by design. If there's one guy to blame for that, it must be Marc, I reckon. But Andy tells me I'm wrong. Oh well. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp

Re: Sun

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Noels
watcher, I'm becoming part of the wind itself. :-D /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org

Re: Sun

2003-05-29 Thread Steven Noels
On 28/05/2003 16:38 Conor MacNeill wrote: Yeah, prunes will do that. LOL! /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn

Re: Sun

2003-05-28 Thread Steven Noels
would come and present JBoss (the project). Sun should be happy that people create cheap implementations of their APIs. If their own implementations would be any better, they might also be making money of them. ;) Cheers, /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org

Re: Sun

2003-05-28 Thread Steven Noels
behaviour of its speaking puppet might be detrimental in the end. There's no black white and deliberation should be made. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp

Re: Sun

2003-05-28 Thread Steven Noels
- the project - being presented at a (large) Java users conference. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn

Re: Sun and the JCP 2.5

2003-04-03 Thread Steven Noels
this. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Steven Noels
? /Catbert -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.orgstevenn at apache.org

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-02 Thread Steven Noels
consultant rather than these IBMGS wannabees. Respectfully yours, /Catbert -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org

Re: [Proposal] SuperXMailer

2003-04-01 Thread Steven Noels
On 1/04/2003 22:03 Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I'm pleased to finally propose the SuperXMailer for Jakarta via the incubator. :-D Nice one! /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog

Re: Free java profiler tools for open source projects?

2003-03-17 Thread Steven Noels
to you.. Sure, please do. If I can be of any assistance w.r.t. Amstelveen: just yell / geef maar een kreet ;-) /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp

Re: Free java profiler tools for open source projects?

2003-03-13 Thread Steven Noels
otisg wrote: That is the one. As good as it looks, it's Windows-only, I guess. Bummer. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn

Re: Réf. : Re: cvs checkout on cvs.apache.org doesn't work ...?

2003-01-30 Thread Steven Noels
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can't ping cvs.apache.org. Actually, I have to deal with an http proxy ( and I was'nt aware that cvs doesn't work with ) Is it possible to configure cvs to work with it ? have a look at http://cvsgrab.sourceforge.net/ /Steven -- Steven Noels

Re: nice

2003-01-28 Thread Steven Noels
interpretation of that, but still it's a good way to deal with the so-called 'real-life' without becoming a cynic. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-22 Thread Steven Noels
. That makes 3 of us who will make sure Pluto integrates with Cocoon. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Steven Noels
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Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Steven Noels
Henri Yandell wrote: Is this not-invented-here-ism or maintaining scope? From my part: scope fairness. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp

Re: New Jakarta proposal: Pluto

2003-01-21 Thread Steven Noels
Sam Ruby wrote: Steven Noels wrote: I was trying not to post the obvious, but yes: this seems largely premature. Deja vu. What else could one expect ;-) Check back next week for the inevitable complaint that Pluto is too mature. No code, a restricted community, too much committers

Re: Incubator home page (was Tapestry)

2003-01-05 Thread Steven Noels
- with the a title=full name/ Rob suggested. I would cut off on 18 chars width. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog athttp://blogs.cocoondev.org/stevenn/ stevenn at outerthought.org

[Fwd: Bounce messages triggering moderation request]

2002-12-26 Thread Steven Noels
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Re: GUI of the website, where's an overview? (not simply found)

2002-12-16 Thread Steven Noels
) working on this: http://cocoon.cocoondev.org/mount/trove/ - which should, amongst others, be dependant on Gump data. I'm going offline for a week or so - but I'll get back to this when I had some progress. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Steven Noels
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Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Steven Noels
off by someone using that imaginary firewall as a reason - even adding a redirect to some other place where it is deemed more appropriate for the discussion to be held. Oh well ;) /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-09 Thread Steven Noels
Ceki Gülcü wrote: snip/ -- Ceki, expounding not accusing. Very nicely put. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com/0103539/ stevenn

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-07 Thread Steven Noels
Ceki Gülcü wrote: I never expected the ASF to falter and fold. However, I do expect the ASF to act reasonably which implies that it can explain/document its decisions. Feeling very patronized if I see such threads...: +1 /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-07 Thread Steven Noels
at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I now see that my remark has been duly noted, and I can only hope that it somehow penetrates the firewall between us and The Members. /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-06 Thread Steven Noels
members... Which is kinda strange since it is the license which _committers_ also need to abide... /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog at http://radio.weblogs.com

Re: Short Apache licence for source files

2002-12-04 Thread Steven Noels
Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote: Should or must? :-) Let your yes be yes, no be no Should means should. http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc2119.txt /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought - Open Source, Java XML Competence Support Center Read my weblog

Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

2002-07-02 Thread Steven Noels
Rob Oxspring wrote: Please find attached the xdoc/html/txt versions of the the second draft (zipped). Rob, in the HTML version, your name is stated as being 'Oxsping'. Regards (nice work, BTW), /Steven -- Steven Noelshttp://outerthought.org/ Outerthought

RE: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-30 Thread Steven Noels
From: Jon Scott Stevens [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities... Strong case in pointthe jakarta.apache.org and www.apache.org websites are built with Anakianot that XSLT crap. [shrug] /Steven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make thedecision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

2002-05-02 Thread Steven Noels
Jon wrote: I can agree with that. Hell, the dvsl vs. xsl is a showstopper for me. I can't stand XSL... I'm also a little worried about the size/vocality of the centipede developer community. Krysalis lists (in the archive) total 53 posts. Maven dev (includes cvs) has 780, and the user

RE: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make thedecision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

2002-05-02 Thread Steven Noels
Jon wrote: Wasn't this entire thing about community building? So what do we really want: using technology we invented on our own, alienating possible new users, or sticking to common standards? Using technology that is well supported, developed by a community of people who are not

RE: [PROPOSAL] Centaven and Friends (was Re: You make the decision(was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!))

2002-05-02 Thread Steven Noels
Leo wrote: However, the implicit argument home-brewn solutions are worse than standards simply doesn't always hold true. It doesn't here. Both XSLT and DVSL are here at Apache, which, for me, is enough of a standard. Basically, all this is to point out masquerading of egotism as technical

RE: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-02 Thread Steven Noels
Jon wrote: People -- Needless to say, the attitudes here are becoming more and more familiar. Andrew reminds me of the early days of dealing with Peter Donald (credit to Peter for eventually coming to his senses...I think joining the PMC helped). Steven reminds me of Paulo.

RE: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-02 Thread Steven Noels
Jon wrote: on 5/2/02 11:52 AM, Andrew C. Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. I need something that supports XSL in my build framework Somehow I doubt that. -jon I will submit this thread as background material for my JSR proposal based upon the existing JSR-57: Long-Term Persistence for

RE: You guys are so funny.

2002-05-02 Thread Steven Noels
Pedantic, I know, but here goes anyway: Leo wrote: Avalon currently uses cocoon (sort of an eat-your-own-dogfood case), and other developers would like this to stay that way. There is a tool(4) that does the same thing as the jakarta project, created by people from xml.apache. The tool

RE: GUMP RULEZ WAS: Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!

2002-05-01 Thread Steven Noels
Berin, How does that match up with the NIH attitude towards Krysalis? I wasn't aware of a Jakarta/XML project named cruise control.? Hey, this is a [EMAIL PROTECTED] discussion. For some strange and perhaps slightly biased reason, I'm not too surprised

RE: GUMP RULEZ WAS: Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!

2002-05-01 Thread Steven Noels
Berin wrote: Translation: Jakarta = jakarta.apache.org XML = xml.apache.org And the reason on XML.apache.org there is no discussion is: everyone seems to be on board with Forrest--which is using Centipede. I wouldn't say so - while I would like the idea. But if this is the kind of

RE: cross-project communications

2002-05-01 Thread Steven Noels
Geir wrote: -1 because I think we should ease into this slowly - from what I understand, we are way more chatty and entropic than the XML community, so we might shock them :) ouch - that hurts :-) /Steven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands,

RE: cross-project communications

2002-05-01 Thread Steven Noels
Good point. I for one am rather 'amused' in the difference of style *and* momentum in between both general@ lists and projects, and indeed there exists some partisanship that divides both. Duh. Oh well, part of the fun over here is exactly participating in this electronic biosphere while

RE: Trademarks, copyright etc

2002-04-30 Thread Steven Noels
Pier Fumagalli wrote: Alex McLintock [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think there is any forum appropriate for that yet, and I can see that some people (such as Pier above) isn't so keen on discussing it on the existing mailing lists. :-) [...] I would be keen to see an @apache.org

RE: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-27 Thread Steven Noels
Leo Simons wrote: It has been brought up by many people that there is no common way of organising subproject websites. I propose we draft a set of guidelines (_not_ rules) on a general structure. Lets start with some discussion :) All this and more is being tackled (slowly but steadily)

the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results

2002-03-13 Thread Steven Noels
Sad, but true: http://jcp.org/jsr/results/99-7-1.jsp /Steven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results

2002-03-13 Thread Steven Noels
Pier Fumagalli wrote: I don't know how much sadness there is in that vote. Of course it's not a victory, but reading from the comments of the different voters (at the bottom), the issues we raised were listened to, and given some thought. Well, this is a vote prior to going public draft,

RE: the story continues... JSPA community draft ballot results

2002-03-13 Thread Steven Noels
I wrote: The comments of IBM and the like clearly indicate to me that the revised JSPA will be 'nirvana'. ^^^ Uh-oh... 'not be nirvana', of course. Must go to bed ;-) /Steven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL