I would tend to agree with Jim. The commit rights never attached to
Jakarta but only to a specific subproject under the Jakarta
umbrella. There has never been any such thing as a Jakarta committer,
only committers to current and former Jakarta subprojects. Likewise,
there is no such thing as an
On 9/3/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Personally I'd ask the reverse question of the Fisheye users. Can
OpenGrok serve the same purpose?
If so, then we should stop using the commercial app and move to the open app.
Following up on similar comments made by various people on various
Would FishEye serve the same purpose?
* http://fisheye6.cenqua.com/
There is already a procedure for using FishEye with an ASF project.
First, ask on infra@ for permission to have cenqua.com setup a FishEye
instance for your project. Then, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
and ask them to add your
be made, my hope would be
that our Java commons would be predisposed to sharing the host name
with our fellow volunteers, should such a request be made.
-Ted.
On 5/10/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ ] +1 I support the proposal
[ ] +0 I
On 5/26/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ack in terms of driving a community away because it is unable to meet
our arbitrary criteria.
That sort of thinking just seems so Borg to me. It's another way of
saying that a software product only has value if its hosted by the
ASF.
If a
On 5/25/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
4) Goto code.google. Ack :(
I wouldn't discount GoogleCode (or Java.net or SourceForge or
CodeHaus). Right now, there's a GoogleCode site that I use everyday,
and it's been utterly reliable. There's features I miss, but the UI is
so
On 5/23/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Committ access and being a PMC memeber are 2 different things - its
been mooted that we should carry over the current Jakarta commit list
for Commons (which I'm in favour of) - but that would be for the PMC
to decide if its formed. Retaining
On 5/23/07, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In fact, I object to the fact the it seems to be so difficult to escape Jakarta.
:) So far, it's been *much* less difficult than creating the Jakarta
Commons in the first place! Back in the day, we actually had a
separate mailing list
On 5/22/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
PS: Yes, of course, there are passionate believers in the development
of particular libraries. Are there enough to make a viable community
for *any* of the libraries on their own? Or enough that care about
the Commons ecosystem as a whole
On 5/22/07, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In summary:
a) I believe the status quo is not viable
b) I believe that merging commons into Jakarta merges two mismatched groups
My suggestion was to merge the Jakarta subprojects into the Commons,
not the other way around.
* The
On 5/21/07, Rony G. Flatscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
There may be many reasons why a project turned dormant: no interest
(dead technology), committers having gone astray, etc.
One reason that may be special is a project which got developed, is
used, but there is no reason to develop it
On 5/21/07, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ok Ownership is perhaps the wrong word, if Jakarta is being
disbanded who provides the oversight?
The same people who provide oversight for any ASF project: The people
doing the work.
If anyone wants Jakarta to be the ASF portal to all of our
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That *you* don't see a problem in using the Jakarta name, doesn't mean no one
has
expressed objections (you even responded to those objections)
Yes, I looked back over the thread, and I stand corrected. You did say
that the use of the
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's not just you :) It's just too early to do that at this stage, since if it
is just some
commits
as Teds says, it will be a dead horse. I don't need something formal or
something, but at
least get
some attention from the java
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Then take it to the next stage. Update the Jakarta home page to
include links to our other Java products that were never part of
Jakarta, like iBATIS, and invite all ASF Java products to use our news
feed. Open the door, and see if
van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Yep still feel that way. Projects that want to use the Jakarta name, should
just stay here
till they
are the only one left and after that re-establish the Jakarta Project.
Mvgr,
Martin
Ted Husted wrote:
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
One link to a separate page isn't a problem, since I prefer that no major
changes happen
to the main site at this stage.
Currently I am pretty much dedicated in keeping Jakarta as a brand. And when
that time
comes to worry about that,
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's pretty simple to solve this though (even though repeating myself here) :
Let (a
flattened) commons become Jakarta..
Then why the concern about the use of Apache Jakarta Commons as a project name?
When the time comes, we could just
On 5/21/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It's pretty simple to solve this though (even though repeating myself here) :
Let (a
flattened) commons become Jakarta..
Actually, it might be helpful if you repeated yourself in full
On 5/15/07, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
0/ Do we agree that the end-game is dissolution of the Jakarta PMC and
closure of the project?
Pro - Draws a line under the reorg effort which has gone on for 3 or
4 *years*.
Con - Removes the remaining tangible historic links between former
On 5/14/07, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From a practical pov isn't java already associated with the word grouping
commons apache?
To Java folks it is. But, XML has a Commons too, as does Web Services.
A third group tried to create a top-level Commons last year, and
creating Commons
On 5/14/07, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Also, from a practical matter, our projects already use org.apache.commons, so
this is
already recognised in the ASF.
Verbose package names are a Java notion, and they are only relevant
within a Java application. Regardless of whether
On 5/13/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't see why. As a member of the Jakarta PMC I'm willing to allow
jakarta-commons.apache.org to use our trademark :-)
The problem is that you will be hijacking the Jakarta name and since the future
of Jakarta
(and usage of the name)
On 5/10/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
* Multiple PMCs, one website. So we'd have Java Commons, Ruby
Commons, BobsYourUncle Commons PMCs, and they'd all share a
commons.apache.org website.
This one was definitely a random suggestion. If we reach a point of
impasse with another
Henning
On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 15:44 -0400, Ted Husted wrote:
It would be nice if the proposal allowed for some flexibility as to language.
We do have several ASF products written in C#, and the notion of
starting a C# commons has come up a couple of times in discussions
between open source C
On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
[ ] +1 I support the proposal
[ ] +0 I don't care
[x] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because...
I do not feel the draft resolution adequately addresses several
remarks made in the discussion thread.
The resolution should address issues raised
It would be nice if the proposal allowed for some flexibility as to language.
We do have several ASF products written in C#, and the notion of
starting a C# commons has come up a couple of times in discussions
between open source C# developers.
-Ted.
On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The simple answer is that most of us have handled documentation in the
same way as we handle the code. We don't patch tagged code once it is
released, and we wouldn't patch the tagged version of documentation
either. Most often, the website represents the HEAD, so we fix the
HEAD, and upload the
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a
good place to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be
better going and asking each of the projects (who will probably
send you links to their website).
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote:
Yes struts can use things that aren't JSP but is not OPTIMAL for
that.
Thanks to the Velocity Tools,
http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/tools/index.html
many people, including myself, find Struts and Velocity to be an optimal
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:12:39 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
As I noted, we have two different PMC members each expressing an
opposing viewpoints:
- The wikis can be changed by anybody, not just committers, and so
we have a more urgent need to keep many eyes on them, which
might not
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
SNIP/
I never understand why you keep doing
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SNIP/
Because the PMC would consist of those
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SNIP/
Ted, Stephen - you are free to propose or encourage any
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Subject: RE: Indemnification of the PMC
Seems to me that part of the reason it is difficult to resolve the
+1
I agree that interested volunteers should:
* setup a Wiki area describing the TLP process and rationales , AND
* give notice to each and every Jakarta DEV list that the area exists.
My main beef is that we have not done due diligence in alerting ALL of the subprojects
of the latest
-PROPOSITION (1)-
* Require all Jakarta products (or subprojects) to file regular reports
with the PMC.
You mean 'make each subproject work like a TLP' don't you?
Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would
have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)
Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities,
On Dec 28, 2003, at 8:43 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
* We need to put *all* the decision-markers on the PMC. At Jakarta,
that means *all* the committers, and
No, it doesn't. We need to put as many as possible, hopefully all, but
it's not required to be all. We can also have people that aren't
On Dec 28, 2003, at 10:25 AM, Ted Husted wrote:
+1
I agree that interested volunteers should:
* setup a Wiki area describing the TLP process and rationales , AND
Do you think we all should setup our own individual Wiki page, or work
together? I'm getting the feeling you don't want to work
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Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status
On Dec 28, 2003, at 10:25 AM, Ted Husted wrote
Mea culpa.
I'm trying a new mail client and managed to press the wrong buttons. Sorry for the
confusion.
-Ted.
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If I understand correctly, the opinions of an individual are not
[PROPOSAL] As it ever were
I've incorporated many of the suggestions made on the list and prepared
another draft for community review.
-ISSUE-
The ASF Board has indicated that it does not believe that the Jakarta
PMC, in its present form, is capable of providing oversight of all the
subprojects
My complaint is this:
Our current base of committers were led to believe they have binding
votes. We are now told this is not the case. The committers we now have
were all elected on the premise that they had binding votes and
oversight responsibilities for their codebase. They were in fact
I apologize for not quoting. I'm experiencing technical difficulties and
making do the best I can.
I meant what I said. We must make an immediate, good faith effort to
correct the false and misleading information in the Jakarta guidelines,
and give all committers due notice of their true
(Again, sorry about the quoting.)
o·ver·sight
1. An unintentional omission or mistake.
2. Watchful care or management; supervision
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=oversight
The board expects PMCs to exercise (2) so as to avoid (1). :)
For a PMC this boils down to issues of
steward
The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent
an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is
not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the
language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.) The idea is that
Make release managers the default stewards
Not every subproject has a clearly defined release manager. In Struts,
we are even starting to have multiple people collaborate on the release
manager role.
The key to oversight is persistence. Since it is not possible for every
committee member to
Re: Proposal to grandfather Active Committers to Jakarta subprojects as
PMC Members.
As it stands, most Jakarta committers have assumed that they already
have the rights, privileges, and responsibilities granted PMC members.
(Mainly because it was written that way in the Jakarta bylaws).
When all
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote:
I'd say it the other way around. The ASF is a collection of
communities that create and maintain codebases. To obtain
infrastructure support and some legal protection, these communities
donate the copyright of its software and ownership of its brand to the
Foundation.
Santiago Gala wrote:
[SNIP]
This implies that those having easier ability or will to maintain the
product are the effective owners of it. as in a rapidly changing
environment, software rot takes care of static code bases.
Exactly. There is a saying from Dune:
Whoever has the power to destroy
Michael Davey wrote:
Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development.
A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise
disparate and commodity range of goods and services.
Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than Jakarta.
I believe
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote:
ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache board members. The
board delegates certain responsibilities over to the PMCs of the
individual projects while still maintaining the authority and management
responsibilities. The PMC is responsible for a wholesome
No worries, mate. The Apache License is the ultimate hedge. No matter
what happens, you can always set up the source someplace else. The most
you could possibly lose would be the product name, and, realistically,
if there wasn't a community behind the product, Apache wouldn't want it
anyway :)
To do this, each product would simply need to draft a resolution to
create the PMC and select a chair, and ask that it be placed on the
board's agenda for the next meeting, just as Log4J and the others did.
It would be very important that each product do this themselves, to help
show they are
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Leo Simons wrote:
If y'all could comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere.
Or, if I missed the mark completely, I'll do nothing =)
How about tieing that page in with the outline we started here:
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/guides
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I add a /news directory and the first edition to the site2 CVS. So on
the website this would be under jakarta.apache.org/site/news.
But I don't know how to get the web site to checkout the new folder. cvs
update ignored it. I tried creating a news directory but that didn't
help. If someone can
wrote:
cvs up -d
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Subject: Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002
I add a /news directory and the first edition to the site2 CVS. So on
the website
http://www.OWAL.co.uk/
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. Personally, I would find that type of
master/slave relationship difficult to maintain in a volunteer
organization like this. If you are working hard enough to need commit
rights, you are working hard enough to have veto rights.
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no reason for the rest of us to care. If it's not
OK with the other committers, then it is not the system that's
broken, but the committers -- and no amount of tinkering is going
to fix that.
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don't look ~too~ good.
That way people don't get the wrong impression. There is no commericial
support here. Just a bunch of volunteers doing the best they can.
Jakarta is an all-you-can-eat buffet, and should probably look like one
:o)
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who you
are doing it for. The committers are the bosses here. Everything we do
has to empower the committers and help them get past the adminutia and
on with the development; or else there will be no committers, no
products, no users, and no Web site.
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for patching ...
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Of course, what each individual subproject does with their own area is
up to their own comitters.
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sidebar menus for sub-areas of the main site, like the
volunteer guides area, the PMC area, and some other places where we are
using page links instead of putting up a new sidebar.
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, as Phillip did. Though, I'm sure anyone ready to
do the work
doesn't need someone else to suggest the idea.
Jakarta cannot be anything by design; it can only be what the volunteers
make it.
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http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=license
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=licence
alex wrote:
At 09:16 07/03/02, Danny Angus wrote:
It is spelled licence. ;-)
Wow - we managed to correct Jon on a technical point! (Just kidding Jon -
no offence)
licenSe is what Apache
have established webs of trust here. EOB is by
Apache people, using Apache code, and that makes it *relevant*.
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- fix java generics!
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
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, but about
them that want to use and improve the tool.
You might also want to take a look at
http://netmeme.org/simper/
Seems like you have a number of bullets in common.
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Until the Bugzilla is fixed, you should direct any issues regarding Ant
to the Ant DEV list. Could get lost here =:o)
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Christopher Taylor wrote:
Hello,
The bug database appears to be down. The bug I wanted to submit was against
ANT. If you use
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Yu, Yanhui wrote:
Hi,
I am involved in a pretty large project (we have not really started coding
yet). As far as I can tell, we seem
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Assuming there is a sufficient number of willing candidates to fill the
seven slots, I would respectfully decline my nomination, so as to ensure
someone else the chance to serve.
It's been my experience that the best way to build community is to not
only participate yourself, but also to give
+1
Kevin A. Burton wrote:
Heck no. .NET/c# why would I want to use an even more proprietary thing
to get back at SUN? Heck no.
... hm.. this discussion could be on the list... buy anyway.
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The license for Tomcat, and all other Apache Software Foundation
products, can be found here:
http://apache.org/LICENSE
Other questions regarding Tomcat can be directed to the Tomcat USER
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Kollár Dóra wrote:
Dear Sir / Madame,
My name is
that would be fine too. But I don't think we want
more than five.
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The best place to post a message like this is the Struts-DEV list. Each
subproject maintains their own area of the Web site.
But in this case, I'll take care of it :-)
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that it accessible to other developers?
Sorry to be providing more queries than code, but to paraphrase Linus,
it often takes one person to articulate an issue, and another to resolve
it =:o)
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that)
On a more personal note. Funny story: My wife went to high/grade school
with the Google guy. Small world eh?
-Andy
On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 08:57, Ted Husted wrote:
Perhaps the question to ask is how are real sites providing real
scalabilty without resorting to Enterprise
that bothering with EJBs. The vendor slove to say
you get this-and-that for free, but the hidden costs are staggering,
and in the end, it's obvious that you lose much more than you gain. Two
steps forward, six steps back.
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So long, and thanks for all the fish =:0)
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Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
Hey all,
I just wanted to say that I'm not going to accept my Jakarta PMC
I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial matter at the
top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news and status
page.
-Ted.
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Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml
Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 -
From: [EMAIL
http://nagoya.apache.org:8080/jyve-faq/Turbine/screen/DisplayQuestionAnswer/action/SetAll/project_id/2/faq_id/36/topic_id/203/question_id/781
or (same thing)
http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/msg03206.html
/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html
- fix java generics!
The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to
vote.
-Ambassador Kosh
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be initiated.
- Sam Ruby
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Done.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2b.html
robert burrell donkin wrote:
On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 10:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote:
If you would like to send the XML the page to me, Robert, and I will
post it as an alternative page, and we can whiteboard it for a day
True. Right now, I monitor the Commons, Lucene, and Taglibs, and only
have commit rights to one of these.
Since the PMC meets here, the subprojects can represent their own
interests. The primary role of the PMC is to ensure that the ASF bylaws
and Jakarta guidelines are observed, and that
was originally put
in by Jon Stevens, not any of the Commons committers.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html
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Peter Donald
+1
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject2.html
Sam Ruby wrote:
Good draft. Here's some ideas (not quite proposals) that might merit
discussion:
1) Upping developers from 2 to 3. I'd rather have a rule that said three
that we chose to break on occasion than to have to explain why
+1
There is now a Subproject Alternatives section citing Taglibs, Avalon,
Commons, Turbine, XML, et al.
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject2.html
Peter Donald wrote:
Unless you plan on adding similar comments for a few other projects.
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