Re: Jakarta at the center of the (ASF) universe

2007-11-19 Thread Ted Husted
I would tend to agree with Jim. The commit rights never attached to Jakarta but only to a specific subproject under the Jakarta umbrella. There has never been any such thing as a Jakarta committer, only committers to current and former Jakarta subprojects. Likewise, there is no such thing as an

Is there interest in an integrated development infrastructure built using Java open source products? (was: Suggestion to use OpenGrok... )

2007-09-04 Thread Ted Husted
On 9/3/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally I'd ask the reverse question of the Fisheye users. Can OpenGrok serve the same purpose? If so, then we should stop using the commercial app and move to the open app. Following up on similar comments made by various people on various

Re: Suggestion to use OpenGrok to index all Jakarta source code

2007-09-03 Thread Ted Husted
Would FishEye serve the same purpose? * http://fisheye6.cenqua.com/ There is already a procedure for using FishEye with an ASF project. First, ask on infra@ for permission to have cenqua.com setup a FishEye instance for your project. Then, contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] and ask them to add your

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-06-06 Thread Ted Husted
be made, my hope would be that our Java commons would be predisposed to sharing the host name with our fellow volunteers, should such a request be made. -Ted. On 5/10/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ] +1 I support the proposal [ ] +0 I

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-30 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/26/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ack in terms of driving a community away because it is unable to meet our arbitrary criteria. That sort of thinking just seems so Borg to me. It's another way of saying that a software product only has value if its hosted by the ASF. If a

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-26 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/25/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 4) Goto code.google. Ack :( I wouldn't discount GoogleCode (or Java.net or SourceForge or CodeHaus). Right now, there's a GoogleCode site that I use everyday, and it's been utterly reliable. There's features I miss, but the UI is so

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-26 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/23/07, Niall Pemberton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Committ access and being a PMC memeber are 2 different things - its been mooted that we should carry over the current Jakarta commit list for Commons (which I'm in favour of) - but that would be for the PMC to decide if its formed. Retaining

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-25 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/23/07, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact, I object to the fact the it seems to be so difficult to escape Jakarta. :) So far, it's been *much* less difficult than creating the Jakarta Commons in the first place! Back in the day, we actually had a separate mailing list

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-22 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/22/07, Craig McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PS: Yes, of course, there are passionate believers in the development of particular libraries. Are there enough to make a viable community for *any* of the libraries on their own? Or enough that care about the Commons ecosystem as a whole

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-22 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/22/07, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In summary: a) I believe the status quo is not viable b) I believe that merging commons into Jakarta merges two mismatched groups My suggestion was to merge the Jakarta subprojects into the Commons, not the other way around. * The

Re: ad dormant code: what about matured code? (Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Rony G. Flatscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There may be many reasons why a project turned dormant: no interest (dead technology), committers having gone astray, etc. One reason that may be special is a project which got developed, is used, but there is no reason to develop it

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok Ownership is perhaps the wrong word, if Jakarta is being disbanded who provides the oversight? The same people who provide oversight for any ASF project: The people doing the work. If anyone wants Jakarta to be the ASF portal to all of our

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That *you* don't see a problem in using the Jakarta name, doesn't mean no one has expressed objections (you even responded to those objections) Yes, I looked back over the thread, and I stand corrected. You did say that the use of the

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not just you :) It's just too early to do that at this stage, since if it is just some commits as Teds says, it will be a dead horse. I don't need something formal or something, but at least get some attention from the java

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then take it to the next stage. Update the Jakarta home page to include links to our other Java products that were never part of Jakarta, like iBATIS, and invite all ASF Java products to use our news feed. Open the door, and see if

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep still feel that way. Projects that want to use the Jakarta name, should just stay here till they are the only one left and after that re-establish the Jakarta Project. Mvgr, Martin Ted Husted wrote: On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One link to a separate page isn't a problem, since I prefer that no major changes happen to the main site at this stage. Currently I am pretty much dedicated in keeping Jakarta as a brand. And when that time comes to worry about that,

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's pretty simple to solve this though (even though repeating myself here) : Let (a flattened) commons become Jakarta.. Then why the concern about the use of Apache Jakarta Commons as a project name? When the time comes, we could just

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-21 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/21/07, Ted Husted [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 5/21/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's pretty simple to solve this though (even though repeating myself here) : Let (a flattened) commons become Jakarta.. Actually, it might be helpful if you repeated yourself in full

Re: [PROPOSAL] The future of Jakarta

2007-05-16 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/15/07, Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 0/ Do we agree that the end-game is dissolution of the Jakarta PMC and closure of the project? Pro - Draws a line under the reorg effort which has gone on for 3 or 4 *years*. Con - Removes the remaining tangible historic links between former

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-15 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/07, Jesse Kuhnert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a practical pov isn't java already associated with the word grouping commons apache? To Java folks it is. But, XML has a Commons too, as does Web Services. A third group tried to create a top-level Commons last year, and creating Commons

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-15 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/14/07, Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, from a practical matter, our projects already use org.apache.commons, so this is already recognised in the ASF. Verbose package names are a Java notion, and they are only relevant within a Java application. Regardless of whether

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-13 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/13/07, Martin van den Bemt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't see why. As a member of the Jakarta PMC I'm willing to allow jakarta-commons.apache.org to use our trademark :-) The problem is that you will be hijacking the Jakarta name and since the future of Jakarta (and usage of the name)

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-13 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/10/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * Multiple PMCs, one website. So we'd have Java Commons, Ruby Commons, BobsYourUncle Commons PMCs, and they'd all share a commons.apache.org website. This one was definitely a random suggestion. If we reach a point of impasse with another

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-10 Thread Ted Husted
Henning On Wed, 2007-05-09 at 15:44 -0400, Ted Husted wrote: It would be nice if the proposal allowed for some flexibility as to language. We do have several ASF products written in C#, and the notion of starting a C# commons has come up a couple of times in discussions between open source C

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-10 Thread Ted Husted
On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ ] +1 I support the proposal [ ] +0 I don't care [x] -1 I'm opposed to the proposal because... I do not feel the draft resolution adequately addresses several remarks made in the discussion thread. The resolution should address issues raised

Re: [VOTE] Commons moving to TLP

2007-05-09 Thread Ted Husted
It would be nice if the proposal allowed for some flexibility as to language. We do have several ASF products written in C#, and the notion of starting a C# commons has come up a couple of times in discussions between open source C# developers. -Ted. On 5/8/07, Henri Yandell [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: How do projects use SVN to manage site documentation updates?

2007-04-24 Thread Ted Husted
The simple answer is that most of us have handled documentation in the same way as we handle the code. We don't patch tagged code once it is released, and we wouldn't patch the tagged version of documentation either. Most often, the website represents the HEAD, so we fix the HEAD, and upload the

Re: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Ted Husted
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: I understand why you came here to ask this, but its not really a good place to ask (its more of an administrative list). You'd be better going and asking each of the projects (who will probably send you links to their website).

Re: Differences

2004-01-14 Thread Ted Husted
On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 09:00:31 -0500, Andrew C. Oliver wrote: Yes struts can use things that aren't JSP but is not OPTIMAL for that. Thanks to the Velocity Tools, http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity/tools/index.html many people, including myself, find Struts and Velocity to be an optimal

RE: Decision Needed Regarding Wiki

2004-01-09 Thread Ted Husted
On Thu, 08 Jan 2004 19:12:39 -0500, Noel J. Bergman wrote: As I noted, we have two different PMC members each expressing an opposing viewpoints: - The wikis can be changed by anybody, not just committers, and so we have a more urgent need to keep many eyes on them, which might not

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-30 Thread Ted Husted
- Original message From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:05:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status SNIP/ I never understand why you keep doing

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-29 Thread Ted Husted
- Original message From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 16:05:11 -0500 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status SNIP/ Because the PMC would consist of those

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-29 Thread Ted Husted
- Original message From: Costin Manolache [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 12:12:29 -0800 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status SNIP/ Ted, Stephen - you are free to propose or encourage any

RE: Indemnification of the PMC

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
- Original message From: Danny Angus [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 22:58:55 + Subject: RE: Indemnification of the PMC Seems to me that part of the reason it is difficult to resolve the

RE: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
+1 I agree that interested volunteers should: * setup a Wiki area describing the TLP process and rationales , AND * give notice to each and every Jakarta DEV list that the area exists. My main beef is that we have not done due diligence in alerting ALL of the subprojects of the latest

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
-PROPOSITION (1)- * Require all Jakarta products (or subprojects) to file regular reports with the PMC. You mean 'make each subproject work like a TLP' don't you? Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities, the report would have to be prepared by a PMC member, ideally one directly

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
- Original message From: Stephen Colebourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 14:16:26 + Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2) Since the PMC cannot delegate its responsibilities,

Re: Indemnification of the PMC

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
On Dec 28, 2003, at 8:43 AM, Ted Husted wrote: * We need to put *all* the decision-markers on the PMC. At Jakarta, that means *all* the committers, and No, it doesn't. We need to put as many as possible, hopefully all, but it's not required to be all. We can also have people that aren't

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
On Dec 28, 2003, at 10:25 AM, Ted Husted wrote: +1 I agree that interested volunteers should: * setup a Wiki area describing the TLP process and rationales , AND Do you think we all should setup our own individual Wiki page, or work together? I'm getting the feeling you don't want to work

Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
- Original message From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003 11:11:07 -0500 Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL] Proactively encourage TLP status On Dec 28, 2003, at 10:25 AM, Ted Husted wrote

Re: Indemnification of the PMC

2003-12-28 Thread Ted Husted
Mea culpa. I'm trying a new mail client and managed to press the wrong buttons. Sorry for the confusion. -Ted. - Original message From: Geir Magnusson Jr. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sun, 28 Dec 2003

Re: Indemnification of the PMC

2003-12-27 Thread Ted Husted
- Original message From: Stephen McConnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Jakarta General List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: Sat, 27 Dec 2003 06:48:59 +0100 Subject: Re: Indemnification of the PMC If I understand correctly, the opinions of an individual are not

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were (draft 2)

2003-12-25 Thread Ted Husted
[PROPOSAL] As it ever were I've incorporated many of the suggestions made on the list and prepared another draft for community review. -ISSUE- The ASF Board has indicated that it does not believe that the Jakarta PMC, in its present form, is capable of providing oversight of all the subprojects

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-24 Thread Ted Husted
My complaint is this: Our current base of committers were led to believe they have binding votes. We are now told this is not the case. The committers we now have were all elected on the premise that they had binding votes and oversight responsibilities for their codebase. They were in fact

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-24 Thread Ted Husted
I apologize for not quoting. I'm experiencing technical difficulties and making do the best I can. I meant what I said. We must make an immediate, good faith effort to correct the false and misleading information in the Jakarta guidelines, and give all committers due notice of their true

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-24 Thread Ted Husted
(Again, sorry about the quoting.) o·ver·sight 1. An unintentional omission or mistake. 2. Watchful care or management; supervision http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=oversight The board expects PMCs to exercise (2) so as to avoid (1). :) For a PMC this boils down to issues of

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-23 Thread Ted Husted
steward The proposal is to expand the role of the moderator, rather than invent an overlapping role with similar responsibilities. If the volunteer is not up to task, then another volunteer can be sought. (Hence, the language about the Chair appointing another volunteer.) The idea is that

Re: [PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-23 Thread Ted Husted
Make release managers the default stewards Not every subproject has a clearly defined release manager. In Struts, we are even starting to have multiple people collaborate on the release manager role. The key to oversight is persistence. Since it is not possible for every committee member to

[PROPOSAL] As it ever were

2003-12-21 Thread Ted Husted
Re: Proposal to grandfather Active Committers to Jakarta subprojects as PMC Members. As it stands, most Jakarta committers have assumed that they already have the rights, privileges, and responsibilities granted PMC members. (Mainly because it was written that way in the Jakarta bylaws). When all

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ted Husted
Geir Magnusson Jr. wrote: I'd say it the other way around. The ASF is a collection of communities that create and maintain codebases. To obtain infrastructure support and some legal protection, these communities donate the copyright of its software and ownership of its brand to the Foundation.

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-20 Thread Ted Husted
Santiago Gala wrote: [SNIP] This implies that those having easier ability or will to maintain the product are the effective owners of it. as in a rapidly changing environment, software rot takes care of static code bases. Exactly. There is a saying from Dune: Whoever has the power to destroy

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Ted Husted
Michael Davey wrote: Jakarta is the *brand*. It defines itself. Jakarta brand development. A brand can give a unique identity and grouping to an otherwise disparate and commodity range of goods and services. Apache is a brand too, and, IMHO, a much stronger brand than Jakarta. I believe

Re: Jakarta: Confederation or Single Project?

2003-12-19 Thread Ted Husted
Harish Krishnaswamy wrote: ASF is a group of projects administered by the Apache board members. The board delegates certain responsibilities over to the PMCs of the individual projects while still maintaining the authority and management responsibilities. The PMC is responsible for a wholesome

Re: Choosing against Jakarta

2003-12-18 Thread Ted Husted
No worries, mate. The Apache License is the ultimate hedge. No matter what happens, you can always set up the source someplace else. The most you could possibly lose would be the product name, and, realistically, if there wasn't a community behind the product, Apache wouldn't want it anyway :)

Re: Why you *want* to be on the PMC

2003-12-18 Thread Ted Husted
To do this, each product would simply need to draft a resolution to create the PMC and select a chair, and ask that it be placed on the board's agenda for the next meeting, just as Log4J and the others did. It would be very important that each product do this themselves, to help show they are

Re: POI Logo legal matter

2002-07-11 Thread Ted Husted
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Re: process of OSS development at jakarta

2002-07-02 Thread Ted Husted
Leo Simons wrote: If y'all could comment and perhaps expand a bit, I'll put a webpage somewhere. Or, if I missed the mark completely, I'll do nothing =) How about tieing that page in with the outline we started here: http://jakarta.apache.org/site/guides -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com

Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

2002-07-02 Thread Ted Husted
I add a /news directory and the first edition to the site2 CVS. So on the website this would be under jakarta.apache.org/site/news. But I don't know how to get the web site to checkout the new folder. cvs update ignored it. I tried creating a news directory but that didn't help. If someone can

Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002

2002-07-02 Thread Ted Husted
wrote: cvs up -d -Original Message- From: Ted Husted [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 02 July 2002 13:34 To: Jakarta General List Subject: Re: [DRAFT2] Jakarta Newsletter - June 2002 I add a /news directory and the first edition to the site2 CVS. So on the website

Re: FW: Third-Party Support

2002-07-01 Thread Ted Husted
http://www.OWAL.co.uk/ Free Consultancy for London Companies thinking of Open Source Software. -- End of Forwarded Message -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY

Re: Jakarta Newsletter - May 2002

2002-06-06 Thread Ted Husted
commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-27 Thread Ted Husted
. Personally, I would find that type of master/slave relationship difficult to maintain in a volunteer organization like this. If you are working hard enough to need commit rights, you are working hard enough to have veto rights. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web

Re: [PROPOSAL] Committer access and responsibilities...

2002-05-26 Thread Ted Husted
no reason for the rest of us to care. If it's not OK with the other committers, then it is not the system that's broken, but the committers -- and no amount of tinkering is going to fix that. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585

Re: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-29 Thread Ted Husted
don't look ~too~ good. That way people don't get the wrong impression. There is no commericial support here. Just a bunch of volunteers doing the best they can. Jakarta is an all-you-can-eat buffet, and should probably look like one :o) -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing

Re: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-29 Thread Ted Husted
who you are doing it for. The committers are the bosses here. Everything we do has to empower the committers and help them get past the adminutia and on with the development; or else there will be no committers, no products, no users, and no Web site. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US

Re: subproject layout conventions

2002-03-28 Thread Ted Husted
, the only disaster greater than giving the committer's free reign over the web site, would be to have no committers willing to update the web site. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http://husted.com/struts

Re: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-22 Thread Ted Husted
for patching ... -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Printable pages

2002-03-21 Thread Ted Husted
.x. Of course, what each individual subproject does with their own area is up to their own comitters. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Web: http://husted.com/struts -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional

Re: [site] proposed changes to site.vsl template

2002-03-21 Thread Ted Husted
sidebar menus for sub-areas of the main site, like the volunteer guides area, the PMC area, and some other places where we are using page links instead of putting up a new sidebar. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Web: http

Re: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-20 Thread Ted Husted
, as Phillip did. Though, I'm sure anyone ready to do the work doesn't need someone else to suggest the idea. Jakarta cannot be anything by design; it can only be what the volunteers make it. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Web: http

Re: Jakarta Overview

2002-03-19 Thread Ted Husted
http://jakarta.apache.org/site/news.html#0319 Thank you for your contribution. -Ted. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [VOTE] ASL vs. GPL page: is this okay?

2002-03-07 Thread Ted Husted
http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=license http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=licence alex wrote: At 09:16 07/03/02, Danny Angus wrote: It is spelled licence. ;-) Wow - we managed to correct Jon on a technical point! (Just kidding Jon - no offence) licenSe is what Apache

Re: news@jakarta list? (Re: Introducing Enterprise Object Broker)

2002-03-07 Thread Ted Husted
have established webs of trust here. EOB is by Apache people, using Apache code, and that makes it *relevant*. --Jeff Pier -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY

Re: jakarta-site2 sidebar

2002-03-06 Thread Ted Husted
- fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java

Re: The Complete Server Platform?

2002-02-24 Thread Ted Husted
J2SE solutions is a natural thing for us to do, regardless of who provides the underlying product. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http://husted.com/struts -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Java Persistence Layer [was EJB, etc]

2002-02-23 Thread Ted Husted
, but about them that want to use and improve the tool. You might also want to take a look at http://netmeme.org/simper/ Seems like you have a number of bullets in common. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http

Re: Bug database appears to be down

2002-02-23 Thread Ted Husted
Until the Bugzilla is fixed, you should direct any issues regarding Ant to the Ant DEV list. Could get lost here =:o) http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html Christopher Taylor wrote: Hello, The bug database appears to be down. The bug I wanted to submit was against ANT. If you use

Re: EJB = bad = MS.net

2002-02-21 Thread Ted Husted
. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US -- Developing Java Web Applications with Struts -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463 -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services Yu, Yanhui wrote: Hi, I am involved in a pretty large project (we have not really started coding yet). As far as I can tell, we seem

Re: bug HTML in STRUTS

2002-02-15 Thread Ted Husted
' -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

Re: Tomcat 4.0.2 Security Exception

2002-02-15 Thread Ted Husted
(Catalina.java:179) at java.lang.reflect.Method.invoke(Native Method) at org.apache.catalina.startup.Bootstrap.main(Bootstrap.java:243) -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts

Re: need help!!!

2002-02-06 Thread Ted Husted
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Re: PMC Nomination - Ted Husted

2002-02-06 Thread Ted Husted
Assuming there is a sufficient number of willing candidates to fill the seven slots, I would respectfully decline my nomination, so as to ensure someone else the chance to serve. It's been my experience that the best way to build community is to not only participate yourself, but also to give

Re: Java is dead... but it could still be saved!

2002-02-05 Thread Ted Husted
+1 Kevin A. Burton wrote: Heck no. .NET/c# why would I want to use an even more proprietary thing to get back at SUN? Heck no. ... hm.. this discussion could be on the list... buy anyway. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1

Re: TomCat license

2002-02-05 Thread Ted Husted
The license for Tomcat, and all other Apache Software Foundation products, can be found here: http://apache.org/LICENSE Other questions regarding Tomcat can be directed to the Tomcat USER list. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/mail.html Kollár Dóra wrote: Dear Sir / Madame, My name is

Re: jkarta-site2

2002-02-04 Thread Ted Husted
that would be fine too. But I don't think we want more than five. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto

Re: Broken Link On Struts Page

2002-02-04 Thread Ted Husted
The best place to post a message like this is the Struts-DEV list. Each subproject maintains their own area of the Web site. But in this case, I'll take care of it :-) -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Ted Husted
that it accessible to other developers? Sorry to be providing more queries than code, but to paraphrase Linus, it often takes one person to articulate an issue, and another to resolve it =:o) -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463

Re: [OT] RE: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Ted Husted
that) On a more personal note. Funny story: My wife went to high/grade school with the Google guy. Small world eh? -Andy On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 08:57, Ted Husted wrote: Perhaps the question to ask is how are real sites providing real scalabilty without resorting to Enterprise

Re: J2EE considered harmful

2002-02-01 Thread Ted Husted
that bothering with EJBs. The vendor slove to say you get this-and-that for free, but the hidden costs are staggering, and in the end, it's obvious that you lose much more than you gain. Two steps forward, six steps back. -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts

Re: Jakarta PMC Nomination - Rejection

2002-02-01 Thread Ted Husted
So long, and thanks for all the fish =:0) -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Java Web Development with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ Jon Scott Stevens wrote: Hey all, I just wanted to say that I'm not going to accept my Jakarta PMC

[Fwd: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml]

2002-01-30 Thread Ted Husted
I'm not comfortable with carrying this type of editorial matter at the top of the home page, and would like to move it to the news and status page. -Ted. Original Message Subject: cvs commit: jakarta-site2/xdocs index.xml Date: 30 Jan 2002 21:53:04 - From: [EMAIL

Re: Struts vs. Turbine

2002-01-17 Thread Ted Husted
http://nagoya.apache.org:8080/jyve-faq/Turbine/screen/DisplayQuestionAnswer/action/SetAll/project_id/2/faq_id/36/topic_id/203/question_id/781 or (same thing) http://www.mail-archive.com/struts-user@jakarta.apache.org/msg03206.html

Re: [PROPOSAL] POI @ Jakarta

2002-01-17 Thread Ted Husted
/developer/bugParade/bugs/4487555.html - fix java generics! The avalanche has already started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote. -Ambassador Kosh -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Building Java web applications with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta PMC bylaws change

2002-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
be initiated. - Sam Ruby -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Building Java web applications with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts

Re: [PATCH] jakarta-site2.xml [Was Re: updating subproject websites]

2002-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
Done. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/jakarta-site2b.html robert burrell donkin wrote: On Tuesday, January 15, 2002, at 10:27 PM, Ted Husted wrote: If you would like to send the XML the page to me, Robert, and I will post it as an alternative page, and we can whiteboard it for a day

Re: [PROPOSAL] Jakarta PMC bylaws change

2002-01-16 Thread Ted Husted
True. Right now, I monitor the Commons, Lucene, and Taglibs, and only have commit rights to one of these. Since the PMC meets here, the subprojects can represent their own interests. The primary role of the PMC is to ensure that the ASF bylaws and Jakarta guidelines are observed, and that

Re: proposal for the jakarta startpage

2002-01-13 Thread Ted Husted
was originally put in by Jon Stevens, not any of the Commons committers. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject.html -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY USA. -- Building Java web applications with Struts. -- Tel +1 585 737-3463. -- Web http://www.husted.com/struts/ Peter Donald

Re: proposed redraft of the subproject proposals

2002-01-13 Thread Ted Husted
+1 http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject2.html Sam Ruby wrote: Good draft. Here's some ideas (not quite proposals) that might merit discussion: 1) Upping developers from 2 to 3. I'd rather have a rule that said three that we chose to break on occasion than to have to explain why

Re: proposal for the jakarta startpage

2002-01-13 Thread Ted Husted
+1 There is now a Subproject Alternatives section citing Taglibs, Avalon, Commons, Turbine, XML, et al. http://jakarta.apache.org/site/newproject2.html Peter Donald wrote: Unless you plan on adding similar comments for a few other projects. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL

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